What portable has best SSB?
 

Ya thanks Joe,
I'll check out what you said,
thanks indeed,
jt
Joe Analssandrini wrote:
Dear "jt,"

Single-sideband (SSB) transmission is a much more efficient means of
transmitting voice via radio. It works by suppressing the signal's
carrier beam and one of the two sidebands. Your radio supplies the
"missing" carrier by generating it itself. This method of transmssion
is almost as efficient as continuous-wave (CW) (Morse Code
transmission) in that long distance reception can be achieved with
relatively little transmitter power. (Its big disadvantage is that it
is cumbersome to tune even with the best radios. This is why it has
never caught on with the mainstream broadcasters or listeners. The only
broadcaster transmitting in SSB of which I am aware is AFRTS.)

While the SSB performance of the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is by no means the
equal of a good communications receiver, it does perform well for a
portable. (The biggest problem with it is that the IF filter is too
wide for proper SSB reception.) It is probably the best SSB performer
of small portable SW receivers currently available.

To try it, merely tune to 3750 kHz during the evening. Set the "AM
Mode" control (on the right side of the radio) to "AM" and, using the
inner button (+ -) of the "Manual Tune/Scan Start/Stop" control, tune
up until you hear something that sounds similar to "Donald Duck."
Generally, but not always, this will be a frequency ending in "5." Tune
up and down, if necessary, until you hear "Donald Duck" with the best
signal strength.

At this point, turn the "AM Mode" control to "SSB" and "LSB/USB"
control to "LSB." (Hams on the 80 meter amateur band almost always use
LSB). Turn the (analog) "SSB Fine Tune" control until the voice is
completely intelligible. Sit back and listen!

That's all there is to it. After a bit of investigation and
experimentation, you will find other Ham bands (40 meters, 20 meters,
etc.) which are used at various times of the day. Some of these Hams
will use USB (generally above 10 MHz) or LSB (below 10 MHz). You can
find the meter bands (frequencies) is any good reference (online or
print).

Personally, I do not often listen to Hams, but you, like many, many
others, may find it enjoyable and you may even decide to "join" them by
becoming a Ham yourself. (The ARRL website - just "Google" ARRL is
a wealth of information.)

I hope the above is of some interest and assistance to you.

Best,

Joe

jt wrote:
Hi,
I also have the Sony ICF-SW7600GR. But I must admit I am a novice in
regard to SSB. Please tell me how I can make the most of my radio's SSB
capabilities! If you have the time please tell me about SSB & how it
can enhance my radio listening experience. I am really interested,
thanks & regards,
Deepak

What portable has best SSB?
 

Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of
five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over.

Harold


Another one bites the dust...

What portable has best SSB?
 

Dear Mr. State,

I am not a "shill" for anyone but I do call 'em as I see 'em. I have
been a shortwave listener for nearly the wrong side of fifty years now
and I have seen/operated/owned quite a number of receivers, some of
which were owned by friends/acquaintances, some of which I owned and
still have, and others which have bitten the dust.

I do not own an Eton E1 as I feel it would serve no real purpose in my
radio shack at this time, especially in view of the fact that it offers
no real advantages over other radios which I already own, such as a
customized AOR AR7030 Plus, a Grundig Satellit 800, and the
aforementioned Sony receivers. Yes I do own five of them for particular
and personal reasons - five, that is, of the ICF-SW7600GR model; don't
forget the two ICF-SW7600G models and the two ICF-SW35s that I own too,
though the 'G models are not in current use.

I also own five AN-LP1 antennas, an AOR WL500 antenna, and two
Wellbrook ALA 330S antennas, all of which are in current use.

Quite a fair setup, I should think. At least I'm happy with all of it.

The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is positively the finest small portable shortwave
receiver I have ever experienced. It is well-made, rugged,
long-lasting, and offers performance that often belies its size. You
and some others may disagree with me, but that is my opinion.

I think that the original question on this thread was answered
adequately though I did not see anyone who owns all the radios
mentioned in the original post do a complete comparison. Since the
person who started the thread mentioned only radios in the small
portable category and asked about SSB performance with these, I do not
believe he had in mind something as large and expensive as the Eton E1.
Perhaps I misinterpreted the question.

I did give my opinion of the Sony radio which I (obviously!) like very
much and recommend to everyone. Others may and will disagree with me.
But I know that its SSB performance is very good for a small portable
radio. I personally haven't heard anything comparable in price or size
that is better.

Best,

Joe

H. State wrote:

As usual, this thread has not answered the original question.

As I stated several days ago, the Eton E1, hands down!

This isn't even a contest, the Sony 7600 series sucks on ssb for
utilities or amateur nets unless that particular frequency is totally
in the clear. (not likely) with the crowded band conditions of today.

Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of
five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over.

Harold

The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
 

Joe Analssandrini wrote:
Dear Mr. State,

I am not a "shill" for anyone but I do call 'em as I see 'em. I have
been a shortwave listener for nearly the wrong side of fifty years now
and I have seen/operated/owned quite a number of receivers, some of
which were owned by friends/acquaintances, some of which I owned and
still have, and others which have bitten the dust.

I do not own an Eton E1 as I feel it would serve no real purpose in my
radio shack at this time, especially in view of the fact that it offers
no real advantages over other radios which I already own, such as a
customized AOR AR7030 Plus, a Grundig Satellit 800, and the
aforementioned Sony receivers. Yes I do own five of them for particular
and personal reasons - five, that is, of the ICF-SW7600GR model; don't
forget the two ICF-SW7600G models and the two ICF-SW35s that I own too,
though the 'G models are not in current use.

I also own five AN-LP1 antennas, an AOR WL500 antenna, and two
Wellbrook ALA 330S antennas, all of which are in current use.

Quite a fair setup, I should think. At least I'm happy with all of it.

The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is positively the finest small portable shortwave
receiver I have ever experienced. It is well-made, rugged,
long-lasting, and offers performance that often belies its size. You
and some others may disagree with me, but that is my opinion.

I think that the original question on this thread was answered
adequately though I did not see anyone who owns all the radios
mentioned in the original post do a complete comparison. Since the
person who started the thread mentioned only radios in the small
portable category and asked about SSB performance with these, I do not
believe he had in mind something as large and expensive as the Eton E1.
Perhaps I misinterpreted the question.

I did give my opinion of the Sony radio which I (obviously!) like very
much and recommend to everyone. Others may and will disagree with me.
But I know that its SSB performance is very good for a small portable
radio. I personally haven't heard anything comparable in price or size
that is better.

Best,

Joe

H. State wrote:

As usual, this thread has not answered the original question.

As I stated several days ago, the Eton E1, hands down!

This isn't even a contest, the Sony 7600 series sucks on ssb for
utilities or amateur nets unless that particular frequency is totally
in the clear. (not likely) with the crowded band conditions of today.

Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of
five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over.

Harold

Since you don't own an Eton, I don't believe you are qualified to
answer that question.

I don't think anybody asked about your experience, how many radios and
antennas you own.

My list is much longer by the way, but I choose not to brag.

Tell us that you can't answer the question, Joe.

And quit that damn top posting, it shows your inexperience.

Harold

What portable has best SSB?
 

I like Fords best,other people prefer other brand names,and that is fine
and dandy,although I do own a 1914 Ford Model T one seat car and I
wouldn't get rid of it for love or money (and a 1982 Ford van and a 1986
Ford car and a bunch of other old different brand name vehicles,all made
in America,except for my 1961 Hercules made in Germany moped) I wish I
could afford a Watkins Johnson radio and a Duenseberg car,although I
have never owned either one of those items.There are a bunch of decent
portable radios on the market and on the internet stores.Take your pick.
cuhulin

The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
 

In article .com,
"H. State" wrote:

Joe Analssandrini wrote:
Dear Mr. State,

I am not a "shill" for anyone but I do call 'em as I see 'em. I have
been a shortwave listener for nearly the wrong side of fifty years now
and I have seen/operated/owned quite a number of receivers, some of
which were owned by friends/acquaintances, some of which I owned and
still have, and others which have bitten the dust.

I do not own an Eton E1 as I feel it would serve no real purpose in my
radio shack at this time, especially in view of the fact that it offers
no real advantages over other radios which I already own, such as a
customized AOR AR7030 Plus, a Grundig Satellit 800, and the
aforementioned Sony receivers. Yes I do own five of them for particular
and personal reasons - five, that is, of the ICF-SW7600GR model; don't
forget the two ICF-SW7600G models and the two ICF-SW35s that I own too,
though the 'G models are not in current use.

I also own five AN-LP1 antennas, an AOR WL500 antenna, and two
Wellbrook ALA 330S antennas, all of which are in current use.

Quite a fair setup, I should think. At least I'm happy with all of it.

The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is positively the finest small portable shortwave
receiver I have ever experienced. It is well-made, rugged,
long-lasting, and offers performance that often belies its size. You
and some others may disagree with me, but that is my opinion.

I think that the original question on this thread was answered
adequately though I did not see anyone who owns all the radios
mentioned in the original post do a complete comparison. Since the
person who started the thread mentioned only radios in the small
portable category and asked about SSB performance with these, I do not
believe he had in mind something as large and expensive as the Eton E1.
Perhaps I misinterpreted the question.

I did give my opinion of the Sony radio which I (obviously!) like very
much and recommend to everyone. Others may and will disagree with me.
But I know that its SSB performance is very good for a small portable
radio. I personally haven't heard anything comparable in price or size
that is better.

Best,

Joe

H. State wrote:

As usual, this thread has not answered the original question.

As I stated several days ago, the Eton E1, hands down!

This isn't even a contest, the Sony 7600 series sucks on ssb for
utilities or amateur nets unless that particular frequency is totally
in the clear. (not likely) with the crowded band conditions of today.

Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of
five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over.

Harold

Since you don't own an Eton, I don't believe you are qualified to
answer that question.

I don't think anybody asked about your experience, how many radios and
antennas you own.

My list is much longer by the way, but I choose not to brag.

Tell us that you can't answer the question, Joe.

And quit that damn top posting, it shows your inexperience.

You are being a bit silly about this comparison.
Sony ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which is
3.3 times the cost of the Sony.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

What portable has best SSB?
 

WheatBoy wrote:
Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against
the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40-
meter ham bands.
My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz
increments,
fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen
any better??

I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for
MW stations.

Thanks..

Most small portables are not ideal for ssb because the controls are
small and not as well designed as those found on a good table top.
Most portables are designed first to catch MW, SW and FM broadcast
signals and only secondarily to offer some capability with ssb signals.
Consequently the fine adjustments needed to resolve ssb signals can
take a little fiddling to bring in a good signal. From personal
experience the DE1103 will catch a good number of signals in the
160-80-40 meter bands. The narrow filter really is a bit wide for ssb,
so in one of those unusual times when the bands are crowded you will
find signals crowding one another. Once the bfo wheel is set then it
only needs to be tweaked for signals that are not on whole khz
frequencies. Signals come in quite clearly and are easily understood.

The Sony 7600 also uses a bfo wheel, but only has one filter and I
suspect it will perform similarly to the DE1103 on ssb.

You may want to read the reviews on Radiointel.com for details on both
radios.

If you don't mind stepping up several hundred dollars in price for a
larger portable radio the Eton E1 will probably perform close to what
you could get from a decent tabletop set on ssb. It has an amazing
number of features. Also look at the Grundig Satellit 800. Again, see
the reviews on Radiointel for details.

What portable has best SSB?
 

In article . com,
"John S." wrote:

WheatBoy wrote:
Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against
the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40-
meter ham bands.
My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz
increments,
fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen
any better??

I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for
MW stations.

Thanks..

Most small portables are not ideal for ssb because the controls are
small and not as well designed as those found on a good table top.
Most portables are designed first to catch MW, SW and FM broadcast
signals and only secondarily to offer some capability with ssb signals.
Consequently the fine adjustments needed to resolve ssb signals can
take a little fiddling to bring in a good signal. From personal
experience the DE1103 will catch a good number of signals in the
160-80-40 meter bands. The narrow filter really is a bit wide for ssb,
so in one of those unusual times when the bands are crowded you will
find signals crowding one another. Once the bfo wheel is set then it
only needs to be tweaked for signals that are not on whole khz
frequencies. Signals come in quite clearly and are easily understood.

The Sony 7600 also uses a bfo wheel, but only has one filter and I
suspect it will perform similarly to the DE1103 on ssb.

You may want to read the reviews on Radiointel.com for details on both
radios.

If you don't mind stepping up several hundred dollars in price for a
larger portable radio the Eton E1 will probably perform close to what
you could get from a decent tabletop set on ssb. It has an amazing
number of features. Also look at the Grundig Satellit 800. Again, see
the reviews on Radiointel for details.

SSB on the Drake SW8 is very impressive, though the radio (which is no
longer made) is a bit hefty and somewhat expensive ($400-600).

The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
 

In article pan.2006.08.08.08.09.44.574000@Quetzalcoatl,
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote:

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:53 +0000, Telamon wrote:

You are being a bit silly about this comparison.
Sony ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which is
3.3 times the cost of the Sony.

Unless you go through your radios quickly, the difference in initial
cost can be amortized in a fraction of their useful lifespan, plus you
have a more entertaining set for all that time.

You can build a much better widget of any type by spending over 3 times
the money on the fabrication cost. You have to compare radios that cost
about the same otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges. Most people
that have thought about it agree with this outlook. I don't go through
my radios quickly but that has not been a price consideration for me.
Generally, I have paid more money for performance and features that cost
more money to put into a radio. There are no radios that you pay more
money for just because of owner status or looks of a radio.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
 

In article pan.2006.08.08.20.02.19.280000@Quetzalcoatl,
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote:

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:26:29 +0000, Telamon wrote:

In article pan.2006.08.08.08.09.44.574000@Quetzalcoatl,
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote:

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:53 +0000, Telamon wrote:

You are being a bit silly about this comparison. Sony
ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which
is 3.3 times the cost of the Sony.

Unless you go through your radios quickly, the difference in
initial cost can be amortized in a fraction of their useful
lifespan, plus you have a more entertaining set for all that time.

You can build a much better widget of any type by spending over 3
times the money on the fabrication cost. You have to compare radios
that cost about the same otherwise it is comparing apples to
oranges.

That's the crux of my point, that over extended time those spherical
objects become more alike and the sweeter taste outweighs the initial
cost.

Most people that have thought about it agree with this outlook.

I can only speak for myself and I'm certainly not 'most people'.

Why do you post here? Is it just to debate? I try to be nice and I'm
just disabused by a new poster to the news group. Well, chances are you
are not new to the news group just one of a small handful of nut cases
that reside here with a new handle so I'll dispense with the niceties
and just declare you completely unreasonable.

Now check this out - You can not compare radios that have a large cost
difference between them. This is not a debatable statement and you are a
fool if you think otherwise. You are obviously just Trolling for trouble.

I don't go through my radios quickly but that has not been a price
consideration for me. Generally, I have paid more money for
performance and features that cost more money to put into a radio.

But if you were buying on cost alone, you wouldn't have accumulated
the experience that better equipment provides.

That has nothing to do with the thread as is injecting the E1 into a
thread about radios $200.

There are no radios that you pay more money for just because of
owner status or looks of a radio.

I'd guess from outward signs that there are indeed folk who pay more
for the status and prestige that high costs connote than the
performance generally associated with it.

Yeah that and maybe the new plastic smell right?

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California