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Take up a decent hobby,like going fishing.
cuhulin

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Jim Hackett wrote:

I thought chickens "clucked", not "bucked"...



wrote in message
ups.com...

Rastis P. Buttsnort wrote:


All that's happening is a simple case of "Rectification". You are

hearing

one or more AM broadcast stations. This is nothing new.
Unless of course you really WANT to believe this is something it's

not.....

If this was rectification of AM stations, then why:

- No music, advertising, or anything else shows up, but yet
- Sometimes clear voices are heard saying vulgar words which would
never be allowed on any AM station, and
- Sometimes prophetic statements are made using my own name and the
name of other witnesses present or deeply involved in the experiments,
and
- In one instance I heard what sounded like several loud chickens
bocking at such a large volume it would've surely been heard at room
volume (incidently, these loud "animal-like" sounds always appear
toward the end of the recording, shortly before I hit "stop" - but yet
there is no interference with the audio plug or movement by myself
before stopping the recording, yet they are often a hallmark of the
brief mostly 30-second recordings I do)?

To one extreme I heard a death threat used against one of my
co-workers. To the other I heard statements like "you did not work
today" (which I hadn't) and "no mouse pad" (which I use none).

Overall, if you count the digital recordings from the cemetery (where
no white noise was present except for the internal components of the
rather silent recorder), the house, and plugged directly into the back
of the scanner, I've stored thousands of unexplained voices - and it
would've been impossible for the scanner to pick up AM stations in the
cemetery (and along with the fact that most all the voices sounded had
thick country accents and sounded African-American in nature with poor
grammar, I find the odds of this being rectification far-fetched).

A group of friends and I were so intrigued with some of the voices from
the cemetery, we made a CD which had some of our best recordings and
submitted it at work and to other people with a brief survey for the
listener to circle either AGREE, DISAGREE, or UNDECIDED as to whether
they heard the same voice and believed it was saying the same thing as
we did. And of course, several EVPs (electronic voice phenomenon) had
an agreement rate of over 95% of nearly 30 people.

I am not debating the existence of EVPs using a recorder and a source
of white noise, TV static, etc., for the conduit. I am asking you for a
plausible explanation that would explain voices saying your name,
sometimes vulgar words, etc., with such clarity that witnesses all
agree on what is being said but have no explanation as to how or why
they are showing up on a recording of of a frequency with nothing
audible on it when not recording.

And one last thought... how could such clear voices and sounds
(sometimes very loud in nature but yet inaudible while not being
recorded) be showing up on *any* frequency with a squelch level of only
1 or 2? I thought perhaps the audio cable to the recorder acted like
some sort of antenna but in reality it's not even hooked into the
external antenna jack.

Anyway, I'd rather at times believe there *are no* spirits that
followed me back, which is why I'm trying one last time to come to a
plausible conclusion which would explain away the voices which have
been picked up on tape, recorded, and catalogued for the record.

Thank you for helping to solve this mystery...

Jeff


Inviting spirits to come calling is really not such a good idea, is it?

Bullwinkle: "Ennie Meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak!"

Rocky: "Are they friendly spirits?"

Bullwinkle: "Just Listen".

Then the commercials began. definitely evil spirits.

Hopefully a little levity will go a long way.

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In article .com,
wrote:

I am speaking from personal experience and the experience of the dozen
or so people who went with me.

Snip

Please drop rec.radio.shortwave from the cross posted news groups.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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One Hung Low wrote:

Now this is indeed puzzling. Why would going to a cemetery, abandoned or
otherwise, bring "negativity" back to your home?

Is -everyone- buried there a bad person? Weren't any good people buried
there too? If there are "spirits", are you implying that they are all bad?

wrote:

I am speaking from personal experience and the experience of the dozen
or so people who went with me. Panic attacks, paranoia, threatening
voices on recordings, etc.

major snippage

But you seem to have evaded the issue.

Again, aren't there any good people buried there? Why wouldn't a "good
spirit" follow you home?

Is all that RF voice chatter solely due to them bitching about the
vandalism? (this seems to be the case, as you said you heard -no- voices
in an un-vandalized cemetery). If they are so aggrieved by the
vandalism, why didn't they follow home the people who did the
vandalizing? Why are they bothering innocent bystanders who had nothing
to do with the vandalism?

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One Hung Low wrote:

If "the spirits" are so technically savvy, why can't they figure out how
to just whisper in your ear?

wrote:

Many of them do - but that would involve someone who is sensitive.

Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find
someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone who
has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only
particular brands of tape recorders.

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One Hung Low wrote:

Again, aren't there any good people buried there? Why wouldn't a "good
spirit" follow you home?

Perhaps the "good people" are in a higher plane of existence and have
no reason to stick around a lonely desolate cemetery? I'm only speaking
from the tone of the voices I heard - the majority of them, that is. I
did pick up the voice of an older lady saying "Walk after Jesus" and
mentioning the Bible. But any positive spirits were definitely
outnumbered.

Is all that RF voice chatter solely due to them bitching about the
vandalism? (this seems to be the case, as you said you heard -no- voices
in an un-vandalized cemetery). If they are so aggrieved by the
vandalism, why didn't they follow home the people who did the
vandalizing? Why are they bothering innocent bystanders who had nothing
to do with the vandalism?

They probably did, just as they did to people who visited my house
during these experiments. Now one co-worker claims he has a ghost in
his house and my relative things they followed me to her house as well.
One thing's certain - ever since I boycotted EVP because of the vulgar
language there aren't as many spirits hanging around I feel - which
means they probably got bored due to the lack of my enthusiasm to
communicate, and decided to harass other people who were more in tune
with them.

Jeff

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One Hung Low wrote:

Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find
someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone who
has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only
particular brands of tape recorders.

Indeed, but how many sensitives do you know visit cemeteries to
communicate with the dead? They have enough problems blocking them out
of their bedroom. I was told by one sensitive that spirits know when a
person is sensitive - like a flashlight beam in a darkened room - and
they attach themselves around that person in hopes of communicating
important messages. Many people have died with unresolved issues, and
if there are such things as spirits and ghosts and free will, it would
make sense that many would choose to stick around in this plane to
either communicate or simply watch what is going on.

The next best thing to a sensitive would be someone with equipment to
detect their presence. Obviously, with me going into that cemetery on
countless occassions and pleading with them to communicate any way
possible, and calling them by first name, I was taking an inviting
approach and also promising them I would continue to communicate and
help get their messages through. Perhaps I should've been more stern.

As far as denoiser software, it is only used to filter out the white
noise and bring out nearly inaudible voices so the human ear can better
understand them. Again, it works with inaudible human voices, and for
whatever reason it also works for inaudible voices that are of an
unknown origin, pointing to the fact that they are indeed voices, and
if you would listen to just one of my recordings, you would definitely
throw the "brain/pattern" theory out the window.

Jeff

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Please, I really am confused as to why the spirits would dick around
with scanners, white noise, RF, de-noiser software and all that
technical mumbo-jumbo.


Brilliant minds have often had trouble communicating their ideas to
others. But that's another story. Considering spirits are made up of
energy, they obviously need energy to communicate and implant their
voices onto our equipment. One of the most brilliant minds ever, Thomas
Edison, along with Marconi, Crookes, and many of the greatest
scientists of the 20th century all believed it was possible to
communicate with the dead through radio. I think any one of them would
be smarter than most everyone in this group, and they obviously had a
good reason to believe this was possible. The first EVPs showed up in
the 1920s. Science has had all that time to explain them away, only
more and more evidence is showing up to discount traditional theories.



Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings. They manifest and express themselves through the human
mind, which projects their expressions outward (so to speak) and
translates them into terms human consciousness is able to
comprehend. White noise provides a convenient matrix for them to
communicate, since the human mind is ever anxious to pick
recognizable patterns out of chaos. However, they are not able to
physically impress their voices on recording devices, since they
do not have voices, in any mechanical sense. For the same reason
they cannot be photographed, since they do not have physical bodies.

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If "the spirits" are so technically savvy, why can't they figure out how
to just whisper in your ear?


wrote:

Many of them do - but that would involve someone who is sensitive.


Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone who has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only particular brands of tape recorders.


When spirits communicate, they often rely on the innate tendency
of the human mind to make sense out of chaos, to impose order on
disordered systems. It is easier for them to impress the human
mind with the illusion of a voice, for example, if there is a
background noise that encourages the false impression of a voice
or voices -- the sound of a motor, or rain falling, or even the
wind. Spirits do not actually have voices, but in order to
communicate clearly and explicitly they must express their
thoughts in a way that human minds are able to deal with -- in
words. They cannot form actual words, but they can trigger the
impression of words in the human mind, and this is easier with the
help of some background noise conducive to the impression of voices.

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Probally the good dead people's spirits go to Heaven.Could be it's the
bad dead people's spirits that follow you home from the grave yards.
cuhulin

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They got bored???
cuhulin

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wrote:
I turned my scanner onto a particular "dead" frequency (actually, it
doesn't matter which frequency - every one I tried produced the same
results) and of course heard nothing but static (and of course the
squelch was 1 or 2 because anything higher would mute out the sound).

I then plugged my IC recorder (digital voice recorder) into the back of
the scanner and pressed record. I uploaded the recording to my computer
with Adobe Audition and amplified the sound, and could hear human
voices (this was confirmed by various witnesses) saying things that
would have me in doubt that I was picking up a stray broadcast. Words
were used like "ghosts", "spirit", the "n" word, along with meaningless
dribble and weird animal sounds. This was in the same back bedroom
where I set up my RF signal generator, scanner, and other recording
equipment to mimic the 70s Spiricom "Mark IV" experiment.

My question is this: can a digital recorder pick up voices through a
frequency if plugged into the back of the scanner (of human origin)
that cannot be heard through the scanner's speaker? The same recording
was done of the room with the white noise of the dead frequency in the
background and entirely different results were produced, with the
voices sounding less monotone and more like others were in the room
talking.

Of course, it doesn't help that I was doing paranormal research using
the digital recorder at a desolated black cemetery in town here and
abruptly stopped to focus on 2-way communication as opposed to EVPs.

Any way to easily explain away the voices that show up on the recording
of the static/frequency but not the static/frequency itself when
listened to in real-time?
Don't worry about it. Back in the day, my parents' baby monitor used
to pick up Radio Moscow.

I think you would be much better working in dreams, and it started
getting interesting when trying some underworld visualization
exercises.

e.g. R.J. Stewart: Power Within the Land: The Roots of Celtic and
Underworld Traditions Awakening the Sleepers and Regenerating the Earth
(Paperback)

Did you have a digital connection from the scanner to the recorder?
What were the voices saying? It may have been a radio play.

Also if you expect to hear something you often can convince yourself
that you do hear it. Like in music for hearing your name, e.g. Enter
Sandman, Metallica, "Hush little 'David'.." when the printed lyrics are
"Hush little Baby".

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Yeah,there is a book titled Lucid Dreaming.(check with Amazon or your
local book stores,look it up on the internet I have the book (although I
haven't read it) floatin around here somewhere.I bought it at the
Goodwill store about twelve years ago.Speaking of the Goodwill
store,y'all want to know what I bought over there this afternoon?
cuhulin
.................................................. .............
Sing it Heiny!,The Enemy Below movie on tv right now. www.amctv.com
.................................................. .............

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Better watchout,,, them spooks and hobgoblins are gonna gitcha.
cuhulin

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In article .com,
wrote:

Your posts are off topic junk in rec.radio.shortwave.

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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wrote in
:

email George Noory at www.coasttocoastam.com Tell him you are
going to send him a Ouija Board.I did that about four years ago.He
emailed me back,he said, Noooooooooooooooo
cuhulin




I wouldn't soil my email address by sending a message to
Coast to Coast.

They're all eff'ing KOOK's.


SC

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Al Smith wrote:

Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.

Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to be
some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into a
dream if it wasn't energy?

They manifest and express themselves through the human
mind, which projects their expressions outward (so to speak) and

One theory behind EVP was that the voices were actually coming from the
experimenter's mind. Experiments using conscious manipulation proved
futile and there was no telepathic link from the mind to the recording.
If you are talking about something else (through who's human mind -
ours or theirs?)

translates them into terms human consciousness is able to
comprehend. White noise provides a convenient matrix for them to
communicate, since the human mind is ever anxious to pick
recognizable patterns out of chaos. However, they are not able to
physically impress their voices on recording devices, since they
do not have voices, in any mechanical sense.

You're referring to a physical voice? It's hard to define a voice since
a voice isn't a physical object, but sound waves. Then you have voices
travelling through radio waves which you can't detect unless you have
an antenna and the proper gadgetry. According to EVP theory, there are
two ways a spirit can communicate - telepathically and *through
speaking* - we don't hear them because we can't see them, though
sometimes people do hear voices and instantly dismiss them as an
overactive imagination. Again, this goes more into the "how" - which if
anyone easily knew the answer, then there would be no debate.

they cannot be photographed, since they do not have physical bodies.

Images of the deceased (not including orbs or other white anamolies,
but actual facial images) have shown up in photographs for centuries.
Many were hoaxes, but many more cannot be proven a hoax. You can't
dismiss *every* photograph because you believe they can't be
photographed.

In fact, cameras pick up *many* things the human eye cannot, and stuff
like different nanometers of light which we don't see aren't exactly
physical.

Jeff

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Al Smith wrote:

When spirits communicate, they often rely on the innate tendency
of the human mind to make sense out of chaos, to impose order on
disordered systems. It is easier for them to impress the human
mind with the illusion of a voice, for example, if there is a
background noise that encourages the false impression of a voice
or voices -- the sound of a motor, or rain falling, or even the

You're missing the point. The voice is not an illusion, but an actual
auditory manifestation on tape. Whisper as loud as you can a brief
phrase and you'll get an idea on how clear and imposing these voices
are. It's one thing to just sit and listen to white noise, imagining
voices or images (which I truly believe happens - imagination, just
like seeing faces in smoke and clouds), but the whole idea of
*recording* the white noise is to produce a tangible record of their
existence. Most are too weak to be argued anything astronomically
amazing, but some are so loud and clear that you *know* it's not the
human mind playing tricks on you. Something or someone put that voice
there, and it wasn't heard during the recording process, so if any
theory makes more sense it would be the rectification theory since the
mind cannot imagine a voice and suddenly have it appear on the
recording. Afterall, the mind *does not hear* anything when the
recording is going on - only afterwards.

wind. Spirits do not actually have voices, but in order to
communicate clearly and explicitly they must express their
thoughts in a way that human minds are able to deal with -- in
words. They cannot form actual words, but they can trigger the
impression of words in the human mind, and this is easier with the
help of some background noise conducive to the impression of voices.

I see your point, but until you do a recording yourself and pick up a
voice speaking your name or of some other relevance in a loud and clear
manner then you really haven't understood EVP, because trust me - it'll
leave you scratching your head and probably invoke a little fear for
first-timers.

Jeff

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wrote:
Probally the good dead people's spirits go to Heaven.Could be it's the
bad dead people's spirits that follow you home from the grave yards.
cuhulin

I believe that spirits evolve and grow and move up to higher dimensions
over time. Life is a test, a learning lesson. Those who don't evolve
spiritually can't enter higher dimensions because their vibratory rate
is so low. I can see why these spirits hung around the cemetery to
protect it, but unfortunately they sound exactly the same in death
(accents, slang, etc.) as they did in person, and since they are still
in this dimension then it's rather easy for *sensitive* electronic
equipment to pick up their presence - IF they want to communicate.

The first time I went out there I only got one good EVP, which to this
day was the strongest, loudest, and clearest one I ever recorded - it
said "Bring him" in a man's voice after I tripped over a grave. I
reversed it months later and the reversal says, just as clear, "Right
here"...as in "Bring him right here" - of course if any of you listened
to this recording, the majority would say it is a hoax and that only a
living human could have made a voice that clear, but I wouldn't be here
debating this if it was a hoax, and plus I don't see how someone could
possible form a perfect "Right here" out of reversing the words "Bring
him".

I'll try to remember to bring the recording next time I use this
computer, since everything's at home stored on my computer.

After all, it's like a doctor diagnosing a disease without visiting
with the patient. Until you actually listen to the voices you truly
have no idea the clarity - and trust me, these voices aren't like
people talking. They are downright creepy. The tone... they honestly
sound like something out of a horror movie or ghost story.

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Slow Code wrote:
I wouldn't soil my email address by sending a message to
Coast to Coast.

I tend to agree - most of what is talked about on Coast to Coast is
ridiculous. I may believe in EVP and ITC, but I have my limits, but I
also don't put EVP and ITC in the same class as aliens, mind control
conspiracies, and so on. EVP is a proven phenomenon which can be
repeated consistently with results (but not always right away). And I
believe EVP to be a valid scientific experiment - an ongoing one, since
nobody has definitively come out to explain it away.

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She owns the couch.If she is on her couch (seeeee,I usually lounge on my
left side on her couch) or on the floor and she needs to go out in the
front yard,she slurps out my right ear.On the other hand if I am sitting
upright on her couch and if she is on the floor and she needs to go out
in the front yard,she is subject to slurp out either one of my ears.
cuhulin

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It isn't complicated at all.As soon as she got house broken,she figured
out on her own to slurp out my ears when she needs to go out in the
front yard.American Kennel Club says Australian Cattle Dogs are highly
intelligent. www.acdca.org www.cattledog.com
cuhulin

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It takes physical power to push/vibrate air so that we can hear/listen
to whichever sound or sounds.Ghosts and spirits can not push air around.
cuhulin
.................................................. ......
In Space,no one can hear you scream
.................................................. ......

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Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.

Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to be
some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into a
dream if it wasn't energy?


If you know what a soul is, then you are ahead of me and most of
the philosophers of the past two thousand years. I cannot refute
that spirits have souls because (a) I have no sense myself of what
a soul is, and (b) I have no way of knowing what you mean by "soul."

Spirits are the same as us, except they do not usually have
sustained control over bodies of flesh and blood. Are we energy? I
put it to you that if we were stripped of all our flesh and bone,
we could not be measured, any more than the essence (soul?) of a
dead person can be measured after it "leaves" its corpse.

Similarly, spirits cannot be measured directly by machine, and
therefore cannot be said to possess energy or be made of energy.
What they can do is affect the human brain and nervous system,
just as we can. Their control is (usually) not as extensive or as
refined as our own. We learn to control our bodies from birth,
whereas spirits only get a chance to drive a body of flesh during
partial or complete possession (which is quite common, by the way).

While a spirit is controlling a body, partially or completely, it
can affect that body, and can use that body to affect its
environment. These effects can be measured and recorded, and have
energy.

Point is, all things tangible and persistent about a spirit
require a body of flesh. It is our memories that define our
personalities, our very identities. Spirits outside flesh do not
have memories. Hence they have no definite identities. They can
develop identities only when they begin to interact with living
minds encased in flesh. This interaction may be passive -- they
may do no more than observe -- but the interaction allows them to
acquire a sense of self.


They manifest and express themselves through the human
mind, which projects their expressions outward (so to speak) and

One theory behind EVP was that the voices were actually coming from the
experimenter's mind. Experiments using conscious manipulation proved
futile and there was no telepathic link from the mind to the recording.
If you are talking about something else (through who's human mind -
ours or theirs?)


It's simplistic to say that spirit voices come from the mind of
the perceiver. The mind of a human being is used by a spirit to
enable it to articulate itself. It does not speak, even though it
may seem to speak -- it creates the illusion of a voice by
manipulating the inner perceptions of the hearer.

The only way a spirit can speak is to possess its host, and then
use the physical voice of that person to express itself in words.
There is no such thing as a disembodied spirit voice, although
there is often the very real perception of a disembodied spirit
voice. Just as the image in a dream is not seen with the physical
eyes, a disembodied spirit voice is not heard with the ears -- it
only seems to be heard with the ears. The illusion is perfect.
Often times a spirit voice cannot be distinguished from the voice
of a physical speaker.


translates them into terms human consciousness is able to
comprehend. White noise provides a convenient matrix for them to
communicate, since the human mind is ever anxious to pick
recognizable patterns out of chaos. However, they are not able to
physically impress their voices on recording devices, since they
do not have voices, in any mechanical sense.

You're referring to a physical voice? It's hard to define a voice since
a voice isn't a physical object, but sound waves. Then you have voices
travelling through radio waves which you can't detect unless you have
an antenna and the proper gadgetry. According to EVP theory, there are
two ways a spirit can communicate - telepathically and *through
speaking* - we don't hear them because we can't see them, though
sometimes people do hear voices and instantly dismiss them as an
overactive imagination. Again, this goes more into the "how" - which if
anyone easily knew the answer, then there would be no debate.


Spirits do not rely on radio to speak. Rather, they rely on the
white noise of static to supply a kind of textured background that
allows them to more easily manipulate the auditory perceptions of
the listener so that the listener gets the illusion of having
heard spoken words. When I refer to white noise, I mean any
chaotic background of an audible kind.

they cannot be photographed, since they do not have physical bodies.

Images of the deceased (not including orbs or other white anamolies,
but actual facial images) have shown up in photographs for centuries.
Many were hoaxes, but many more cannot be proven a hoax. You can't
dismiss *every* photograph because you believe they can't be
photographed.


I can indeed dismiss all spirit photographs, because I know that
spirits have no physical bodies of any kind. They are no more
physical than the figures we see in our dreams. They cannot
impress photographic film with an image. What they can do is
convince suggestible individuals that vague shapes in photographs
are spirit figures. They are able to modify perception so that
what to one person would seem no more than a meaningless blur
appears, to a susceptible person, the face of a spiritual being.
It is all done in the mind. Spirits manipulate human minds, not
the physical world.


In fact, cameras pick up *many* things the human eye cannot, and stuff
like different nanometers of light which we don't see aren't exactly
physical.

Jeff



Energy is physical. Matter and energy are, at root, one and the
same. What is not physical is a pattern. A pattern requires a
physical matrix, but it is independent of the matrix upon which it
is based. Letters of the alphabet, for example, must be inscribed
on something to be perceived, or at least imagined in the mind,
but they are not a part of the base that supports their manifest
forms. They are ideals in the Platonic sense. They exist apart
from matter -- however, apart from matter their existence cannot
be measured or recorded.

Or think of it this way. A spirit is like a piece of music. It is
a pattern that requires physical media to express itself, but is
not the physical media by which it is expressed. Music is not the
sound -- the sound is only its vehicle. Similarly, spirits require
human minds to express themselves, but they are not a part of
human minds -- yet apart from human minds they lack form or
identity. Their abstract nature becomes manifest when they are
filtered through our brains. On their own, they don't have bodies,
they don't have forms, they don't have voices. Exactly what they
are is beyond our comprehension, since they are unlike everything
we think we know. My belief is that they are beings of higher
dimensions who are able to insert themselves into our awareness
(what we think of as reality) via our minds. They put on forms,
identities, voices, to interact with us, but they put them on as
we would put on a suit of clothing.

However, it is a curious property of spirits that the identities
they assume become truly their identities for them. Just as our
identities over time become us. Spirits do not often lie about who
they are -- they truly believe they are the poses them adopt in
order to interact with human beings.

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Spirits do not actually have voices, but in order to
communicate clearly and explicitly they must express their
thoughts in a way that human minds are able to deal with -- in
words. They cannot form actual words, but they can trigger the
impression of words in the human mind, and this is easier with the
help of some background noise conducive to the impression of voices.

I see your point, but until you do a recording yourself and pick up a
voice speaking your name or of some other relevance in a loud and clear
manner then you really haven't understood EVP, because trust me - it'll
leave you scratching your head and probably invoke a little fear for
first-timers.

Jeff


There is the question of poltergeist phenomena -- the possibility
that a spirit can, in some unknown manner, use the energies of a
human host to cause changes in the physical environment in
nonstandard ways. I think this kind of event may occur, based on
the recorded eye-witness evidence for it, but it is also possible
that some other factor is at work (deception used by the possessed
host; self-deception on the part of the witnesses).

If poltergeists exist, then it is not beyond possibility that
spirits can use human energies to modify physical recording
devices. I tend to believe this does not happen, but I would not
dismiss the possibility out of hand.

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Once you examine the
strongest evidence, you can only conclude that yes, indeed it's a
voice, but where did it come from and why does it even sound like a
dead person would?

Jeff

Dead persons can't talk, so they don't sound like anything. If you
mean spooky horror film voices, sometimes the cliche is the
reality. Spirits do talk in weird ways. They shout, they curse,
they growl, they whisper. Or so it seems to our awareness. My own
theory is that part of the reason that both spirit voices and
spirit faces are so often distorted is that spirits lack perfect
control over our minds, and so they express themselves
imperfectly. It's like trying to drive a car when you've never
learned to drive. You go jerking and weaving all over the place.
It takes practice. Maybe some spirits just never get the knack.

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Spirits,,,,,,,

Life is likeeeeeee,,,,, a Mountain Railroaddd, with an Engineeerrrr,who
is brave,,,,,, We must makeeee the run sucessfullll,from the craaaadle
to the gravvvvve,,,,,,,, Keep your handddd upon the Throttle,and your
Eyyyyes upon the Rail,,,,,,,,,,
cuhulin

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I think poltergeist only jump into mixed up peoples bodies.Those people
need to see a shrink and get their minds straightened out and then they
should have no more problems with poltergeist.
cuhulin,the Exorist

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In article xazFg.9577$Ch.6327@clgrps13,
Al Smith wrote:

Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.

Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to be
some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into a
dream if it wasn't energy?


If you know what a soul is,

If you had a soul or a conscience you would drop rec.radio.shortwave off
the news group header since this is off topic crap.

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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Metinks what I needs me is a barely legal age 18 year old virgin girl to
shack up with me.
cuhulin

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jeff, you seem to say that the voice is actually a recorded waveform on
your recording medium, and not an imagined meaning in your own mind. if
this is so then it takes physical forces to impose order on the random
hash present. even if the energy output is very miniscule it still takes
a physical force to even manipulate electrons into some kind of
recognisable data. not to mention the intelligent knowledge of various
recording methods and media needed to affect the successful transfer of
communication. a different recording method would be useful to help sort
this out. i propose this.... a box. a sealed closed box with a glass
top. a tube could be inserted to introduce one single puff of talc, or
baking flower or fingerprint dust or even cigarette smoke. if there are
spooks and they are able to manipulate forces or circumstances that can
have any effect on your recorder, then to control the movement and
distribution of this dust should be easy. as it falls, it could display
written words, or images just as before. after all this is just a very
primitive form of recording. it only requires some form of control over
the tiny particles, similar to magnetizing a signal on the tiny magnetic
particles of recording tape but requiring less energy and less knowledge
on the part of the spook. if no unusual patterns are evident in our
"primitive" recording then i propose that the images imposed on the
sophisticated recordings are suspect. i am sure that many other methods
of recording could be thought up. maybe an etch-a-sketch screen?
powdered iron on a sheet of paper? stir up something into water to see
how it settles out? any of these should be easily influenced compared to
the electronic recorder.

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Last night,I watched some Bela Lugosi movies on tv.The Devil Bat and The
Body Snatcher.None of them talked.
cuhulin

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Telamon wrote in
:

In article xazFg.9577$Ch.6327@clgrps13,
Al Smith wrote:

Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.

Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to
be some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into
a dream if it wasn't energy?


If you know what a soul is,

If you had a soul or a conscience you would drop rec.radio.shortwave off
the news group header since this is off topic crap.

Plonk



ROFL

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Telamon wrote:

Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.
Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to be
some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into a
dream if it wasn't energy?

If you know what a soul is,

If you had a soul or a conscience you would drop rec.radio.shortwave off
the news group header since this is off topic crap.

Plonk

If -YOU- had a conscience (or half a brain), you would realize that you
are being a pompous, hypocritical jackass, condemning others for
-exactly- what you have done over 300 times.

Your Pal,
Plonk

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Plonk-B-Gone wrote in
:

Telamon wrote:

Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.
Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to
be some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into
a dream if it wasn't energy?

If you know what a soul is,

If you had a soul or a conscience you would drop rec.radio.shortwave
off the news group header since this is off topic crap.

Plonk

If -YOU- had a conscience (or half a brain), you would realize that you
are being a pompous, hypocritical jackass, condemning others for
-exactly- what you have done over 300 times.

Your Pal,
Plonk


ROFL, Telamon can't just quietly plonk someone, he has to do it with
fanfare.

He can't read this because I'm plonked too. I followed-up to too many
cuhulin posts in one day. That's what got me plonked. LOL. But I ain't
gonna ignore my buddy cuhulin.

SC

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In article ,
Plonk-B-Gone wrote:

Telamon wrote:

Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.
Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to be
some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into a
dream if it wasn't energy?

If you know what a soul is,

If you had a soul or a conscience you would drop rec.radio.shortwave off
the news group header since this is off topic crap.

Plonk

If -YOU- had a conscience (or half a brain), you would realize that you
are being a pompous, hypocritical jackass, condemning others for
-exactly- what you have done over 300 times.

Your Pal,
Plonk

Same clueless idiot, different handle.

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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Telamon wrote:

If you had a soul or a conscience you would drop rec.radio.shortwave off
the news group header since this is off topic crap.

Plonk

Plonk-B-Gone wrote:

If -YOU- had a conscience (or half a brain), you would realize that you
are being a pompous, hypocritical jackass, condemning others for
-exactly- what you have done over 300 times.

Your Pal,
Plonk


Same clueless idiot, different handle.

Plonk

Now a little refresher from a few months ago:

Telamon wrote:

I for one would appreciate it if the political nut cases would stick to
the off topic flame threads or start their own thread.

Whatever wrote:

Time for some irony and hypocrisy. Just a small sample.
http://tinyurl.com/pz8do

"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

Very interesting...320 posts, almost all of them political per se, not
complaints about OT posts. (Sorry, didn't have time to read all 320, but
the ones I did read *clearly* demonstrated the irony).

I think "hypocrisy" defines our boy up on his high horse quite well. Yet
another example of "Do as I say, not as I do".

Telamon wrote:

You and whatever have a high number of off posts. You and whatever
generally do not post helpful replies to questions. You and whatever can
point back to a period of time during a contentious election and that's
it for me but you and whatever are a different story. Do continue
looking like a clueless jackass as you do in most of your posts.

Carter, K8VT wrote:

As you *still* don't get it, *you* appear to be the "clueless jackass".

Telamon wrote:

I'm not a hypocrite. I contribute a lot of on topic and helpful posts to
this news group and I don't feel the need to justify my posting history
to someone with your poor posting history. Your recent AND long time
posting history is most off topic political posts. This is the only post
in two days so it is clear to me that you just want to ague and
denigrate me so into the kill file with you.

Plonk

Carter, K8VT wrote:

First, sorry to drag this thread on, but you still don't seem to get it.

Next, maybe you do need to justify your posting history as this is
really at the heart of the debate...

* you accused and chastised me (and others) of a "high number" of OT posts.

* 'Whatever' called your bluff, did some research and caught *you* with
your pants down--*320* OT posts (while I have of 146 posts total, maybe
100 OT). That would seem to make *you* the winner of the "High Number"
award, not others. Sort of like a guy with 320 traffic tickets calling a
guy with 100 tickets a bad driver.

* When you accuse people of doing something wrong and then it comes to
pass that *you* have done the same "wrong" thing almost *three* times as
often, then, yes, you *should* justify your posting history or be
exposed for the hypocrite you are.

As to your trying to justify your 320 OTs because you post on topic
also--well, that's a little like a bank robber saying it's OK to rob
banks because he gives some of the money to charity. NOT! OT is OT and
your 320 trumps my 100. Period [.]

Telamon wrote:

so into the kill file with you.

Plonk

Carter wrote:

Thought I was already there(!) but, please, do so again. It's getting
too hard to follow your illogic, denials, dodging, weaseling and bogus
"justification" of *YOUR* 320 OTs.

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In article L2%Gg.5907$jX.1972@trndny06,
Whatever wrote:

Telamon wrote:

If you had a soul or a conscience you would drop rec.radio.shortwave off
the news group header since this is off topic crap.

Plonk

Plonk-B-Gone wrote:

If -YOU- had a conscience (or half a brain), you would realize that you
are being a pompous, hypocritical jackass, condemning others for
-exactly- what you have done over 300 times.

Your Pal,
Plonk


Same clueless idiot, different handle.

Plonk

Now a little refresher from a few months ago:

Snip

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California