One Hung Low wrote:

Please, I really am confused as to why the spirits would dick around
with scanners, white noise, RF, de-noiser software and all that
technical mumbo-jumbo.

Brilliant minds have often had trouble communicating their ideas to
others. But that's another story. Considering spirits are made up of
energy, they obviously need energy to communicate and implant their
voices onto our equipment. One of the most brilliant minds ever, Thomas
Edison, along with Marconi, Crookes, and many of the greatest
scientists of the 20th century all believed it was possible to
communicate with the dead through radio. I think any one of them would
be smarter than most everyone in this group, and they obviously had a
good reason to believe this was possible. The first EVPs showed up in
the 1920s. Science has had all that time to explain them away, only
more and more evidence is showing up to discount traditional theories.

How did "the spirits" ever get by before tape recorders and scanners?

The way some of them still do - dreams, materialization (which happened
to my relative), automatic writing, even some seances, and direct
voice.

If "the spirits" are so technically savvy, why can't they figure out how
to just whisper in your ear?

Many of them do - but that would involve someone who is sensitive. Why
do many sensitives belong to the same genetic traits and families? Some
day a "sensitive/psychic gene" will be discovered. There are also a lot
of equipment which picks up different forms of energy and radiation -
radio waves, x-rays, UV light, etc. - yet you don't hear radio waves
until they're picked up on your equipment. Who's to say spirits aren't
energy which can only be picked up in our current 3-dimensional world
by people of a different genetic background, dreams, and certain
electronic equipment? Seeing isn't necessarily believing, and believing
is almost never seeing. It's what lies within, not on the pages of some
science textbook.

Jeff

One Hung Low wrote:

If "the spirits" are so technically savvy, why can't they figure out how
to just whisper in your ear?

wrote:

Many of them do - but that would involve someone who is sensitive.

Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find
someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone who
has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only
particular brands of tape recorders.

One Hung Low wrote:

Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find
someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone who
has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only
particular brands of tape recorders.

Indeed, but how many sensitives do you know visit cemeteries to
communicate with the dead? They have enough problems blocking them out
of their bedroom. I was told by one sensitive that spirits know when a
person is sensitive - like a flashlight beam in a darkened room - and
they attach themselves around that person in hopes of communicating
important messages. Many people have died with unresolved issues, and
if there are such things as spirits and ghosts and free will, it would
make sense that many would choose to stick around in this plane to
either communicate or simply watch what is going on.

The next best thing to a sensitive would be someone with equipment to
detect their presence. Obviously, with me going into that cemetery on
countless occassions and pleading with them to communicate any way
possible, and calling them by first name, I was taking an inviting
approach and also promising them I would continue to communicate and
help get their messages through. Perhaps I should've been more stern.

As far as denoiser software, it is only used to filter out the white
noise and bring out nearly inaudible voices so the human ear can better
understand them. Again, it works with inaudible human voices, and for
whatever reason it also works for inaudible voices that are of an
unknown origin, pointing to the fact that they are indeed voices, and
if you would listen to just one of my recordings, you would definitely
throw the "brain/pattern" theory out the window.

Jeff

If "the spirits" are so technically savvy, why can't they figure out how
to just whisper in your ear?


wrote:

Many of them do - but that would involve someone who is sensitive.


Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone who has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only particular brands of tape recorders.


When spirits communicate, they often rely on the innate tendency
of the human mind to make sense out of chaos, to impose order on
disordered systems. It is easier for them to impress the human
mind with the illusion of a voice, for example, if there is a
background noise that encourages the false impression of a voice
or voices -- the sound of a motor, or rain falling, or even the
wind. Spirits do not actually have voices, but in order to
communicate clearly and explicitly they must express their
thoughts in a way that human minds are able to deal with -- in
words. They cannot form actual words, but they can trigger the
impression of words in the human mind, and this is easier with the
help of some background noise conducive to the impression of voices.

Al Smith wrote:

When spirits communicate, they often rely on the innate tendency
of the human mind to make sense out of chaos, to impose order on
disordered systems. It is easier for them to impress the human
mind with the illusion of a voice, for example, if there is a
background noise that encourages the false impression of a voice
or voices -- the sound of a motor, or rain falling, or even the

You're missing the point. The voice is not an illusion, but an actual
auditory manifestation on tape. Whisper as loud as you can a brief
phrase and you'll get an idea on how clear and imposing these voices
are. It's one thing to just sit and listen to white noise, imagining
voices or images (which I truly believe happens - imagination, just
like seeing faces in smoke and clouds), but the whole idea of
*recording* the white noise is to produce a tangible record of their
existence. Most are too weak to be argued anything astronomically
amazing, but some are so loud and clear that you *know* it's not the
human mind playing tricks on you. Something or someone put that voice
there, and it wasn't heard during the recording process, so if any
theory makes more sense it would be the rectification theory since the
mind cannot imagine a voice and suddenly have it appear on the
recording. Afterall, the mind *does not hear* anything when the
recording is going on - only afterwards.

wind. Spirits do not actually have voices, but in order to
communicate clearly and explicitly they must express their
thoughts in a way that human minds are able to deal with -- in
words. They cannot form actual words, but they can trigger the
impression of words in the human mind, and this is easier with the
help of some background noise conducive to the impression of voices.

I see your point, but until you do a recording yourself and pick up a
voice speaking your name or of some other relevance in a loud and clear
manner then you really haven't understood EVP, because trust me - it'll
leave you scratching your head and probably invoke a little fear for
first-timers.

Jeff

Spirits do not actually have voices, but in order to
communicate clearly and explicitly they must express their
thoughts in a way that human minds are able to deal with -- in
words. They cannot form actual words, but they can trigger the
impression of words in the human mind, and this is easier with the
help of some background noise conducive to the impression of voices.

I see your point, but until you do a recording yourself and pick up a
voice speaking your name or of some other relevance in a loud and clear
manner then you really haven't understood EVP, because trust me - it'll
leave you scratching your head and probably invoke a little fear for
first-timers.

Jeff


There is the question of poltergeist phenomena -- the possibility
that a spirit can, in some unknown manner, use the energies of a
human host to cause changes in the physical environment in
nonstandard ways. I think this kind of event may occur, based on
the recorded eye-witness evidence for it, but it is also possible
that some other factor is at work (deception used by the possessed
host; self-deception on the part of the witnesses).

If poltergeists exist, then it is not beyond possibility that
spirits can use human energies to modify physical recording
devices. I tend to believe this does not happen, but I would not
dismiss the possibility out of hand.

I think poltergeist only jump into mixed up peoples bodies.Those people
need to see a shrink and get their minds straightened out and then they
should have no more problems with poltergeist.
cuhulin,the Exorist

If "the spirits" are so technically savvy, why can't they figure out
how
to just whisper in your ear?


wrote:

Many of them do - but that would involve someone who is sensitive.


Well, one might think it would ultimately be easier for them to find
someone who is sensitive rather than for them trying to find someone
who has radios, scanners, white noise, de-noiser software and only
particular brands of tape recorders.


Al Smith wrote:

Spirits do not actually have voices,

But they are good RF engineers?

They cannot form actual words,

They cannot form actual words, but they -CAN- generate an AF modulated
(with actual words) RF signal? Really, now?

Please, don't expect the rest of us to be as gullible as you. :-(

Please, I really am confused as to why the spirits would dick around
with scanners, white noise, RF, de-noiser software and all that
technical mumbo-jumbo.


Brilliant minds have often had trouble communicating their ideas to
others. But that's another story. Considering spirits are made up of
energy, they obviously need energy to communicate and implant their
voices onto our equipment. One of the most brilliant minds ever, Thomas
Edison, along with Marconi, Crookes, and many of the greatest
scientists of the 20th century all believed it was possible to
communicate with the dead through radio. I think any one of them would
be smarter than most everyone in this group, and they obviously had a
good reason to believe this was possible. The first EVPs showed up in
the 1920s. Science has had all that time to explain them away, only
more and more evidence is showing up to discount traditional theories.



Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings. They manifest and express themselves through the human
mind, which projects their expressions outward (so to speak) and
translates them into terms human consciousness is able to
comprehend. White noise provides a convenient matrix for them to
communicate, since the human mind is ever anxious to pick
recognizable patterns out of chaos. However, they are not able to
physically impress their voices on recording devices, since they
do not have voices, in any mechanical sense. For the same reason
they cannot be photographed, since they do not have physical bodies.

Al Smith wrote:

Forgive me for pointing it out, but your understanding of spirits
is pathetically crude. They are not physical beings, or energy
beings.

Considering that spirits have a consciousness and a soul (after all,
we're not talking about wine spirits here) then there would have to be
some sort of energy existing within that soul. How could a spirit
reason, project its voice onto tape, manifest, or insert itself into a
dream if it wasn't energy?

They manifest and express themselves through the human
mind, which projects their expressions outward (so to speak) and

One theory behind EVP was that the voices were actually coming from the
experimenter's mind. Experiments using conscious manipulation proved
futile and there was no telepathic link from the mind to the recording.
If you are talking about something else (through who's human mind -
ours or theirs?)

translates them into terms human consciousness is able to
comprehend. White noise provides a convenient matrix for them to
communicate, since the human mind is ever anxious to pick
recognizable patterns out of chaos. However, they are not able to
physically impress their voices on recording devices, since they
do not have voices, in any mechanical sense.

You're referring to a physical voice? It's hard to define a voice since
a voice isn't a physical object, but sound waves. Then you have voices
travelling through radio waves which you can't detect unless you have
an antenna and the proper gadgetry. According to EVP theory, there are
two ways a spirit can communicate - telepathically and *through
speaking* - we don't hear them because we can't see them, though
sometimes people do hear voices and instantly dismiss them as an
overactive imagination. Again, this goes more into the "how" - which if
anyone easily knew the answer, then there would be no debate.

they cannot be photographed, since they do not have physical bodies.

Images of the deceased (not including orbs or other white anamolies,
but actual facial images) have shown up in photographs for centuries.
Many were hoaxes, but many more cannot be proven a hoax. You can't
dismiss *every* photograph because you believe they can't be
photographed.

In fact, cameras pick up *many* things the human eye cannot, and stuff
like different nanometers of light which we don't see aren't exactly
physical.

Jeff