The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to Gegen
as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony, especially
after a bit of development.

Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better
radios than Sony.

What's a Gegen.


A company which goes against the grain of
development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing technological
achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which
then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when put
into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells
you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong)

I however have this radio and have noticed an alarming tendency towards 'the
Phillips effect', - putting features, knobs, mechanisms on it which don't
actually do anything.

Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio.



It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own
page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have some
pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any
such claim.

What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry.



only sports those 'Phillips' features.

Which features.


Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this
amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations

It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe
unless you forgot to put the batteries in.


bviously UP TO 1000]
and asked why this feature didn't actually seem to work (it DOES tune in
some stations of pure interference), was told that this feature is only
really designed to tune in 1000 FM stations (cf. 'The Phillips Effect')
where on FM the stations are stronger; and that on SW, the stations have to
be tuned in manually. Indicating that it doesn't actually have any advanced
circuitry at all to support this feature!

Even worse, all the commentators seem to regard it as a toy and haven't ever
done any reviews, - or even comparative reviews, - on it?


Meanwhile it IS an adorable little thing in much the same way as the
Austrian-built AE3905 was and while I found that to be the worst SW radio
ever designed (it's batteries weren't even powerful enough to power its own
speaker!), I am left wondering whether I am doing something wrong with this
DE11 or whether in reality I just have an early version and Degen has still
to design those features into it. Or get them working properly?

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The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to
Gegen
as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony,
especially
after a bit of development.

Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better
radios than Sony.

What's a Gegen.
Degen is the company which seems to go under a variety of names. It
produces for Grundig amongst others: See
http://www.radiointel.com/review-kaitoka1101.htm (Kaito being another of
their names)

Another reviewer said: " By no means will this be the final word on this
impressive little radio. The DE1102 will no doubt be talked about and
debated when it makes its way to the global Shortwave listening community.
Some will like the DE1102's page system while others may find it confusing
or irritating. But as with all radios, it's how well the radio receives
radio signals in the end determines mostly if it is a "good radio". The
DE1102 is a good radio." in http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm



A company which goes against the grain of
development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing
technological
achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which
then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when
put
into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells
you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong)

I however have this radio and have noticed an alarming tendency towards
'the
Phillips effect', - putting features, knobs, mechanisms on it which
don't
actually do anything.

Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio.

What it calls the ATS feature. Also possibly the scan feature? Have you
tried it?



It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own
page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have
some
pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any
such claim.

What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry.
You will have to look that one up for precise details on pages too numerous
to mention



only sports those 'Phillips' features.

Which features.
The scan feature?


Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this
amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations

It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe
unless you forgot to put the batteries in.
(See later in my message for the meaning of this)

I am glad to hear that someone doesn't regard this piece as a toy and look
forward to your informed review of it? It could well be that I am doing
something wrong and I did indicate that Degen doesn't normally do this type
of thing.

news.rcn.com wrote:
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ups.com...


The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to
Gegen
as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony,
especially
after a bit of development.

Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better
radios than Sony.

What's a Gegen.
Degen is the company which seems to go under a variety of names. It
produces for Grundig amongst others: See
http://www.radiointel.com/review-kaitoka1101.htm (Kaito being another of
their names)

I know what Degen is. What is a Gegen.



Another reviewer said: " By no means will this be the final word on this
impressive little radio. The DE1102 will no doubt be talked about and
debated when it makes its way to the global Shortwave listening community.
Some will like the DE1102's page system while others may find it confusing
or irritating. But as with all radios, it's how well the radio receives
radio signals in the end determines mostly if it is a "good radio". The
DE1102 is a good radio." in http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm



A company which goes against the grain of
development of Chinese companies which tend to produce amazing
technological
achievements in prototype form to show to their corporate customers which
then become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when
put
into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which Sony tells
you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they ever go wrong)

I however have this radio and have noticed an alarming tendency towards
'the
Phillips effect', - putting features, knobs, mechanisms on it which
don't
actually do anything.

Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio.

What it calls the ATS feature. Also possibly the scan feature? Have you
tried it?


Are you saying that those knobs do not work? If you are then what do
you base that statement on.





It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its own
page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have
some
pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make any
such claim.

What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry.
You will have to look that one up for precise details on pages too numerous
to mention

You said the dual conversion circuitry was compensating for this, but
never said what "this" was. Please explain.






only sports those 'Phillips' features.

Which features.
The scan feature?


What are Phillips features and why would they be on a Degen radio,
unless Degen was designing radios for Phillips.

What specifically is wrong with the scan feature.




Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for this
amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations

It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe
unless you forgot to put the batteries in.
(See later in my message for the meaning of this)

I am glad to hear that someone doesn't regard this piece as a toy and look
forward to your informed review of it? It could well be that I am doing
something wrong and I did indicate that Degen doesn't normally do this type
of thing.

Once again, you said it was not picking up any stations. I find it
impossible to believe it does not pick up any stations on any bands.

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| news.rcn.com wrote:
| wrote in message
| ups.com...
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|
| The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to
| Gegen
| as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony,
| especially
| after a bit of development.
|
| Which people in the know started referring Gegen as producing better
| radios than Sony.
|
| What's a Gegen.
| Degen is the company which seems to go under a variety of names. It
| produces for Grundig amongst others: See
| http://www.radiointel.com/review-kaitoka1101.htm (Kaito being another of
| their names)
|
| I know what Degen is. What is a Gegen.
|
|


Degen = Kaito

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5071

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4226

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I know what Degen is.

Well that is a relief: I thought for a moment you were a troll for making a
statement about this in a thread where everyone else seems to know what they
are talking about !

What is a Gegen.



Another reviewer said: " By no means will this be the final word on this
impressive little radio. The DE1102 will no doubt be talked about and
debated when it makes its way to the global Shortwave listening
community.
Some will like the DE1102's page system while others may find it
confusing
or irritating. But as with all radios, it's how well the radio receives
radio signals in the end determines mostly if it is a "good radio". The
DE1102 is a good radio." in
http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1102.htm

You dont say whether you agree that this is a company which produces
quality products? This is quite important under the circumstances of your
general comments on not having heard of them?

Really. Which specific knobs don't do anyhting on this radio.

What it calls the ATS feature. Also possibly the scan feature? Have you
tried it?


Are you saying that those knobs do not work? If you are then what do
you base that statement on.

I based it on pressing the scan button and the radio not picking up any
stations and enabling the ATS feature adn it only tuning to static. I would
have thought that somewhat obvious?





It says it is dual conversion on Kaito's radios page but then on its
own
page doesn't make any such claim. Which being the case it should have
some
pretty advanced circuitry to compensate for this but it doesn't make
any
such claim.

What would it be compensating for by having dual conversion circuitry.
You will have to look that one up for precise details on pages too
numerous
to mention

You said the dual conversion circuitry was compensating for this, but
never said what "this" was. Please explain.
The "this" means, in effect, not being dual conversion.






only sports those 'Phillips' features.

Which features.
The scan feature?


What are Phillips features and why would they be on a Degen radio,
unless Degen was designing radios for Phillips.
I see you have never owned a Phillips product like a short wave radio or a
pair of noise reducing headphones which have features and buttons on them
which do nothing! (It is not for me to tell you to go out and buy one and
see)
What specifically is wrong with the scan feature.
It scans past perfectly strong stations. And tunes to white noise.



Mine doesn't actually pick up any stations and when I bought it for
this
amazing auto-memorising of 1000 short wave stations

It doesn't pick up ANY radio stations? I find that hard to believe
unless you forgot to put the batteries in.
(See later in my message for the meaning of this)

I am glad to hear that someone doesn't regard this piece as a toy and
look
forward to your informed review of it? It could well be that I am doing
something wrong and I did indicate that Degen doesn't normally do this
type
of thing.

Once again, you said it was not picking up any stations. I find it
impossible to believe it does not pick up any stations on any bands.

news.rcn.com wrote:

wrote in message
I know what Degen is.

Well that is a relief: I thought for a moment you were a troll for making a
statement about this in a thread where everyone else seems to know what they
are talking about !



He was referring to your posting earlier, which said:

==========================================
The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to
Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony,
especially after a bit of development.
==========================================

When you said 'Gegen', he was naturally curious as to the brand name.





mike

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news.rcn.com wrote:

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I know what Degen is.

Well that is a relief: I thought for a moment you were a troll for making
a statement about this in a thread where everyone else seems to know what
they are talking about !



He was referring to your posting earlier, which said:

==========================================
The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer to
Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios than Sony,
especially after a bit of development.
==========================================

When you said 'Gegen', he was naturally curious as to the brand name.

I think you missed the point of my message which is that no one else thought
it necessary to pick up on my spelczech's typo of Degen to Gegen and seemed
to know that obviously I was referring to Degen and not some other
completely unknown company. People dont start to refer to an unknown
company in a wholesale manner and give the company's products great reviews
and start to refer to their development policies if the company is unknown.






mike