It does't matter if anybody is in a forest or not if a tree falls
down.Of course the tree makes a sound,if it falls down.Sound waves
traveling through the ether.Tell ya what,go hide a microphone in a
forest and wait long enough and you will hear a tree fall down.You just
might hear Big Foot stompin around in that forest too.
cuhulin

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
... Mike


Mike:

Take this argument up with you high school physics instructor, he will, no
doubt, enlighten you ...

Even high school physics is clearly beyond you.

Mike

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
...
Mike


OK. I will try one final time. You ever seen a magnet? You know how you
can lay a paper over the magnet and sprinkle iron filings on the paper and
see the "magnetic lines of force?"

Well son, that is the ether which has been warped by the magentic field
you are seeing.

Geez this guy is clueless.

Mike

"John Smith" wrote in message
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bpnjensen wrote:
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Can I construct a "cloud chamber" to "see" what you claim, if not, how can
I construct an experiment to prove what you say. If I cannot verify what
you say, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CLAIM THAT?

Yet no one has found the "ether" either, and many have done experiments
looking for it. If no one can verify
what you say, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CLAIM THAT?

Mike

David wrote:

So light can't get through a vacuum?

I think the idea of the ether is that it does not violate the concept
of a vacuum, the latter of which is merely devoid of mass. Obviously,
a vacuum can be, and usually is, full of energy in the form of
radiation. The ether, to an electromagnetic "wave," is supposedly the
electromagnetic equivalent of an ocean of water through which
mechanical waves travel. It does not add anything that would negate
the no-mass-dependent vacuum of space.

While I am not in the "ether" camp, in defense of the concept, there
*is* a hypothetical construct that may be real, which I alluded to
elsewhere, known to me as the "quantum background," which pervades all
of the universe, quite possibly *outside* of the universe as well,
which could constitute an ether-like fabric. I don't know much about
it, other than that it is a constantly bubbling stew of virtual
particles that appear and disappear very quickly, and that it may be
responsible for the outpouring of energy at the moment of the Big Bang.
It may also be the "carrier" of quantum waves - but that is getting
well beyond my own knowledge base.

For what it is worth, one very important type of wave that has yet to
be solidly documented is the gravity wave, the "long wave" of the
cosmic spectrum. It is not exactly an EM wave, but also not exactly a
mechanical wave, yet it has connections to both worlds. It is a major
key to the Holy Grail of cosmology, the "Theory of Everything" that
unifies all the basic forces of the universe. Its attendant quantum
particle is the graviton, and a weird thing it must be if it connects
us to our planet, among other things. Long story short, it is unclear
what kind of medium this wave would traverse, if in fact it traverses a
medium at all.

Enough about that...

Bruce Jensen

Either,isn't that what the docs used to put their paitents to sleep with
before they started to work on them?

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cuhulin

On 20 Dec 2006 09:08:45 -0800, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

David wrote:

So light can't get through a vacuum?

I think the idea of the ether is that it does not violate the concept
of a vacuum, the latter of which is merely devoid of mass. Obviously,
a vacuum can be, and usually is, full of energy in the form of
radiation. The ether, to an electromagnetic "wave," is supposedly the
electromagnetic equivalent of an ocean of water through which
mechanical waves travel. It does not add anything that would negate
the no-mass-dependent vacuum of space.

While I am not in the "ether" camp, in defense of the concept, there
*is* a hypothetical construct that may be real, which I alluded to
elsewhere, known to me as the "quantum background," which pervades all
of the universe, quite possibly *outside* of the universe as well,
which could constitute an ether-like fabric. I don't know much about
it, other than that it is a constantly bubbling stew of virtual
particles that appear and disappear very quickly, and that it may be
responsible for the outpouring of energy at the moment of the Big Bang.
It may also be the "carrier" of quantum waves - but that is getting
well beyond my own knowledge base.

For what it is worth, one very important type of wave that has yet to
be solidly documented is the gravity wave, the "long wave" of the
cosmic spectrum. It is not exactly an EM wave, but also not exactly a
mechanical wave, yet it has connections to both worlds. It is a major
key to the Holy Grail of cosmology, the "Theory of Everything" that
unifies all the basic forces of the universe. Its attendant quantum
particle is the graviton, and a weird thing it must be if it connects
us to our planet, among other things. Long story short, it is unclear
what kind of medium this wave would traverse, if in fact it traverses a
medium at all.

Enough about that...

Bruce Jensen

Energy sets up a field around an antenna. It alternates at some
rate[s] per second but there are no waves that I know of.

No there is no difference; they are both electromagnetic radiation but with
differing wavelengths. They both move at the speed of light and they obey
the same principles (Maxwell's equations). Radio waves are also 'photons'
and have both wave and particle behavior.

BTW, as someone else posted Michaelson and Morley (in one of the most
amazing leaps of knowlege ever taken by man) dispelled the ether myth at the
end of the 19th century when they measued the speed of light exactly the
same whether the observer was moving towar the source or away from it. This
measurements would have been different if there was an 'ether' for the
'waves to move through'.

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html


"John Smith" wrote in message
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Brian Denley wrote:
You obviously haven't. Radio waves (same as light) have a dual nature
and act as particles and waves. This can be demonstrated.


As I pointed out in "Newtons Balls of Force", the energy imparted to the
device behaves as a "wave" ... light does indeed have properties both of a
wave and particles ...

Radio frequencies only have properties of a wave ...

JS

When Astronauts return to Earth from orbiting around Earth,their
wris****ches are a fraction of a second off.I forget if it is a fraction
of a second faster or slower.
cuhulin

David,

The Vacuum-of-Space is a Myth {Misnomer}
since "We" 'exist' in the Vacuum-of-Space . . .
-and- That Is Something To Think About !

We = The Earth + Solar System + The Gallaxy + The Universe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_marble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_system
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/index.cfm
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/homepage.htm
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/solarsystem/
http://www.seds.org/messier/galaxy.html
http://www.seds.org/messier/more/mw.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
http://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/

Space is NOT a Vacuum -IT- Is simply partially full and equally
partially empty at the same time - relatively relativity speaking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/relatvty.htm
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia...elativity.html


Just like the Space-in-My-Head - I ~ RHF