David Eduardo wrote:
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Have our taste on HD Radio/IBOC, now ?


That one is over. Stations reaching about 80% of the population, with about
half the measured audience... 1,100 of them... are already on HD.

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David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Have our taste on HD Radio/IBOC, now ?

That one is over. Stations reaching about 80% of the population, with about
half the measured audience... 1,100 of them... are already on HD.



As long as we're all here, to discuss and....well,...pick at you, let
me ask you a question.

I went to a radio club meeting today. Not that I do radio clubs, but
these guys have been recruiting, and it was anotherwise slow day....

Well, during one of the discussions came up the subject of HD. And
echoing somethings I've been reading on other newsgroups, and hearing
about from more and more of my friends who frequent radio clubs, this
one got my attention. Two of the members were asking about cracks for
the decoding software/firmware on the chips. Apparently, one of them
believes he's sufficiently reverse engineered the hardware to the degree
that he's preparing to create his own design to accomplish the same
thing, ie, decode HD radio. In this way, he wouldn't be buying a
licensed HD receiver, but his goal is to have access to the HD channels,
using his own designs and his own firmware. (And he's working on both
AM and FM systems.)

So, here's the question: How would iBiquity police this? If he's
successful at desiging his own circuitry, and developing the firmware to
decode the proprietary channel, what's to really keep him from
publishing his findings, as did the numerous SCA adaptor designers who
published in Pop Comm and Pop Electronics in the 70's?

Now, the parallels have already been drawn between SCA and HD. But
there is a significant difference. SCA is a subscription service. HD is,
so far as has been claimed, not a subscription service. If the
programming is not proprietary, and not sold for a fee, then anyone can,
conceivably, access it by whatever means is available to them.
Currently, that's licensed iBiquity technology. But what if, as Linus
Torvalds did when he wrote Linux to permit stable computing without
dealing with MS and Windows, someone succeeds in creating an HD adaptor
which certifiably does NOT use iBiquity intellectual property? And what
if, as Torvalds did, he simply released his designs to the open source
community?

Would that really be infringement?

And if so, how would iBiquity enforce? Because once that Jeannie is
out of the bottle...NO one will be able to cover up her navel again.

If not infringement, how would iBiquity, or the stations making the
investment in iBiquity hardware, recover relief from the open source
solution?

If the programming is really for free, and not to be subscription
based, cannot anyone access it at will if they do so without infringing
on iBiquity's designs?

And if this is the case, is not the only solution left to iBiquity or
the stations investing in iBiquity licensed HD hardware subscription
based distribution...and subscription based keying of receiving hardware?

No matter what the plan is today, the spectre of subscription seems
to be an inevitable shadow on this technology.

In article
,
D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Have our taste on HD Radio/IBOC, now ?

That one is over. Stations reaching about 80% of the population,
with about half the measured audience... 1,100 of them... are
already on HD.

As long as we're all here, to discuss and....well,...pick at you, let
me ask you a question.

I went to a radio club meeting today. Not that I do radio clubs, but
these guys have been recruiting, and it was anotherwise slow day....

Well, during one of the discussions came up the subject of HD. And
echoing somethings I've been reading on other newsgroups, and hearing
about from more and more of my friends who frequent radio clubs,
this one got my attention. Two of the members were asking about
cracks for the decoding software/firmware on the chips. Apparently,
one of them believes he's sufficiently reverse engineered the
hardware to the degree that he's preparing to create his own design
to accomplish the same thing, ie, decode HD radio. In this way, he
wouldn't be buying a licensed HD receiver, but his goal is to have
access to the HD channels, using his own designs and his own
firmware. (And he's working on both AM and FM systems.)

So, here's the question: How would iBiquity police this? If he's
successful at desiging his own circuitry, and developing the firmware
to decode the proprietary channel, what's to really keep him from
publishing his findings, as did the numerous SCA adaptor designers
who published in Pop Comm and Pop Electronics in the 70's?

Now, the parallels have already been drawn between SCA and HD. But
there is a significant difference. SCA is a subscription service. HD
is, so far as has been claimed, not a subscription service. If the
programming is not proprietary, and not sold for a fee, then anyone
can, conceivably, access it by whatever means is available to them.
Currently, that's licensed iBiquity technology. But what if, as Linus
Torvalds did when he wrote Linux to permit stable computing without
dealing with MS and Windows, someone succeeds in creating an HD
adaptor which certifiably does NOT use iBiquity intellectual
property? And what if, as Torvalds did, he simply released his
designs to the open source community?

Would that really be infringement?

And if so, how would iBiquity enforce? Because once that Jeannie is
out of the bottle...NO one will be able to cover up her navel again.

If not infringement, how would iBiquity, or the stations making the
investment in iBiquity hardware, recover relief from the open source
solution?

If the programming is really for free, and not to be subscription
based, cannot anyone access it at will if they do so without
infringing on iBiquity's designs?

And if this is the case, is not the only solution left to iBiquity or
the stations investing in iBiquity licensed HD hardware subscription
based distribution...and subscription based keying of receiving
hardware?

No matter what the plan is today, the spectre of subscription seems
to be an inevitable shadow on this technology.

Building a receiver for your own use should not be a problem. The
licensing is for commercial enterprises. He would not be able to sell
the information either but could offer it for free. That would be a
design he came up with not a copy of the design kit offered by IBiquity.

I don't know if the digital stream is scrambled. That might be a problem.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Dec 17, 10:10 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
Telamon wrote:
In article
,
D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
groups.com...
Have our taste on HD Radio/IBOC, now ?

That one is over. Stations reaching about 80% of the population,
with about half the measured audience... 1,100 of them... are
already on HD.

As long as we're all here, to discuss and....well,...pick at you, let
me ask you a question.

I went to a radio club meeting today. Not that I do radio clubs, but
these guys have been recruiting, and it was anotherwise slow day....

Well, during one of the discussions came up the subject of HD. And
echoing somethings I've been reading on other newsgroups, and hearing
about from more and more of my friends who frequent radio clubs,
this one got my attention. Two of the members were asking about
cracks for the decoding software/firmware on the chips. Apparently,
one of them believes he's sufficiently reverse engineered the
hardware to the degree that he's preparing to create his own design
to accomplish the same thing, ie, decode HD radio. In this way, he
wouldn't be buying a licensed HD receiver, but his goal is to have
access to the HD channels, using his own designs and his own
firmware. (And he's working on both AM and FM systems.)

So, here's the question: How would iBiquity police this? If he's
successful at desiging his own circuitry, and developing the firmware
to decode the proprietary channel, what's to really keep him from
publishing his findings, as did the numerous SCA adaptor designers
who published in Pop Comm and Pop Electronics in the 70's?

Now, the parallels have already been drawn between SCA and HD. But
there is a significant difference. SCA is a subscription service. HD
is, so far as has been claimed, not a subscription service. If the
programming is not proprietary, and not sold for a fee, then anyone
can, conceivably, access it by whatever means is available to them.
Currently, that's licensed iBiquity technology. But what if, as Linus
Torvalds did when he wrote Linux to permit stable computing without
dealing with MS and Windows, someone succeeds in creating an HD
adaptor which certifiably does NOT use iBiquity intellectual
property? And what if, as Torvalds did, he simply released his
designs to the open source community?

Would that really be infringement?

And if so, how would iBiquity enforce? Because once that Jeannie is
out of the bottle...NO one will be able to cover up her navel again.

If not infringement, how would iBiquity, or the stations making the
investment in iBiquity hardware, recover relief from the open source
solution?

If the programming is really for free, and not to be subscription
based, cannot anyone access it at will if they do so without
infringing on iBiquity's designs?

And if this is the case, is not the only solution left to iBiquity or
the stations investing in iBiquity licensed HD hardware subscription
based distribution...and subscription based keying of receiving
hardware?

No matter what the plan is today, the spectre of subscription seems
to be an inevitable shadow on this technology.

Building a receiver for your own use should not be a problem. The
licensing is for commercial enterprises. He would not be able to sell
the information either but could offer it for free. That would be a
design he came up with not a copy of the design kit offered by IBiquity.

I don't know if the digital stream is scrambled. That might be a problem. Which is what I was thinking. However, once there were alternative
receivers for which iBiquity was receiving no royalty or licensing fee,
the revenue stream would be threatened.

And it's all about the revenue. Commercial entity or not, letting
reception go open source would trigger the same kind of imperatives that
triggered Ballmer's crack about litigating open source Linux users.

The point being, that without an actual embargo on reception without
the permission of iBiquity, there would be no relief for iBiquity in
recovering lost revenues.

Options would be limited. And relief borne by the listener.
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The vast majority of Americans "Buy" Cable and Satellite
TV Services on a monthly basis and do not steal it through
backdoor decoders -or- get-around technology.

IBOC HD-Radio's Point-of-Cost to the American Consumer
is in the Price of a New Radio. For these Consumers who
Listen-to-Radio -and- "Want" IBOC HD-Radio the process
of Buying-Up to IBOC HD-Radio will take place over several
years. Some Will and Some Won't. IBOC HD-Radio will
most likely be 'adopted' over time with the turn-over in the
Car and Truck Market. The Buying of New Cars with IBOC
HD-Radios 'built-in' or 'sold' as a Factory pre-installed option.

Most likely iBiquity does not plan on making more than 10%
of their Revenue from the Licensing of IBOC HD-Radios as a
one-time {single} Point-of-Sale Revenue Source.

The Majority of iBiquity's Revenue will most likely come
from the Licensing of the Radio Broadcast {Transmitter}
Equipment to the individual Radio Stations and whatever
Recuring Revenue results from the Use-of-the-Technology
by the individual Radio Stations on a daily basis.

Remember - The Nature of Un-Licensed "Free-to-the-Listener"
Radio Broadcasting in the USofA is that it is the individual
Radio Stations that are the Revenue Sources {Cash-Cows}
-and- All that is required of the Radio Listener is that they
"Listen" and Enjoy-Their-Radios along with the Paid Advertising
that they hear on them - All for Free !

Again - It's is the individual Radio Stations using the iBiquity
IBOC HD-Radio System that are iBiquity's Cash-Cow -not-
the Individual American Consumers {Listeners}.

well that is how i see it ~ RHF