"John Smith" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
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Mike


Our watches and clocks all measure the spinning of the earth, one spin =
24 hours. Now that is all very nice and everything, and it does get me to
appointments on time, but it is NOT "real."

Of course it is real. The clock gets you to appointments "on time" for the
same reason that directions and maps get you to appointments "on spot".

Imagine just before the big bang, when all the matter in the universe
sprang forth from some sub-atomic particle sized piece into all "our
matter" now. And, imagine four old bearded men sitting there and
observing the big bang--what do the wrist watches on their arms measure?

Who knows? It doesn't really matter *what* they measure! But they
clearly are measuring *something*, or they wouldn't be wearing them, right?
That they have no concept of Earthly hours is irrelevent. Just like the
lengths of their beards are measuring *something*, even though they don't
know about inches or meters or any of our Earthly measurements of length.

As I said earlier, all of the measuring tools and terms we use to define the
4 dimensions are
purely arbitrary. What they are measuring, however, is very real. The
concepts of before, now and after are as real and universal as up, down,
left, right, forward and backward.

Perhaps the Big Bang happens in cycles, every 24 "hours" on their "watches".
As Einstein showed, time is relative to the velocity of the observer.

Mike