You are giving the perfect description of someone who really doesn't
know or care to know what the value of an item is. That person wants
that radio and will snipe to get it. He is a seller dream cause he
will come in with a premptive bid 10 secods before the auction close.
Heart pounding, hands sweating he bangs the enter key at the last
possible second so that he and he alone willl get that radio and the
price is secondary.

On Feb 2, 6:24 pm, "Unrevealed Source"
wrote:
Incorrect. In order to win some (not all) auctions and also keep the
winning bid to a minimum, you must snipe. The simple-minded "just place
your highest bid and forget about it" is for amateurs or people that don't
care if they win or not.

"Roadie" wrote in message

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On Feb 1, 8:30 pm, "Unrevealed Source"
wrote:
You're mostly correct, but it's not quite that simple.

Say you've got a radio for sale and you set a reasonable reserve to
protect
your investment. In other words, below a certain price you're willing to
keep it and try again another day. Let's say that reserve is $200, and
let's also say that it's worth that, maybe more (your reserve is
reasonable).

For whatever reason (time of year, other listings of the same radio
running
concurrently, whatever) interest is lower than expected and no one has
yet
met your reserve. I come along and snipe it, and as the high bidder at
$190
I have "won" the radio.

You have not won the auction nor the radio. If you did not meet the
reserve price you won nothing other than a gold star for your effort.

However, I haven't met your reserve so no
transaction takes place. Everyone's time is wasted.

You did not have sufficient interest in the radio to put in a winning
bid. If you wanted the radio you should have bid the maximum you
would pay and let the proxy system take care of incremental bids for
you. If you feel that placing bids is a waste of your time then you
should find some other form of entertainment.

Maybe the simplicity of proxy bidding makes it difficult to
understand. Lets say you see a Sony CRF320 with an undisclosed
reserve and you would pay no more than $200.00 Simply enter $200.00.
If you are the first bidder and your bid exceeds the reserve your bid
will be taken to the reserve and will not be increased until someone
else comes along with a higher bid. If the reserve is higher than
your bid then your bid will be no more than the minimum amount or your
maximmum bid depending on whhat other bidders do. Proxy bidding is
nothing more than an efficient way to make incremental bids.

For proxy bidding to work the buyer has to know what an item is worth
and what he is willing to pay for it.

BUT, if I email you and ask "What's your reserve" and you tell me, I
would
probably bump my bid to $200 just to guarantee that if I am the high
bidder
that I will actually get it. Why wouldn't you tell me your reserve?
It's
kind of self-defeating to keep it a secret.

There is nothing self defeating about a seller placing a reserve. The
seller is simply protecting his interests under the Ebay rules. And he
knows if he starts out with a low opening bid and a reserve it will
atttract a lot more bidding attention and possibly entice someone to
spend more than they would otherwise because they catch auction
fever. Proxy bidding allows the bidder to place one bid and not get
caught up in key pounding rounds of last minute sniping that will
likely result in someone paying more than they should.

If you as a potential buyer don't like bidding on reserve auctions
then I suggest that you look for ones where there is no reserve.

"Roadie" wrote in message

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On Jan 31, 9:21 pm, "Unrevealed Source"
wrote:
I think it's fair to say that most people here are fairly savvy when
it
comes to eBay buying/selling, so let me throw out this question: What
is
the value of keeping a reserve price secret?

When there's a radio I'm interested in that has a reserve, I always
ask
the
seller what that reserve is. That way I know whether or not I'd be
wasting
my time watching it, and it may make a difference in how much I bid.
So
if,
for example, you see a $400-450 radio but the guy says his reserve is
$800,
you don't waste your time. And likewise if he says his reserve is
$425,
you
might bid the $425 even if $375 would make you the high bidder, so
that
you
actually get the item instead of "Reserve not met" being the result.
If
you know the reserve you can make the decision.

However, many sellers reply that they don't reveal their reserve.
What's
the point? Isn't the reserve just another way of saying "This item is
up
for auction to the highest bidder, but here is the least I'll take for
it"?
What am I missing?

Jeff

Who cares what the reserve is - it is irrelevant to what you should
bid. You should know the value of the radio and what you maximum
price is. If you are interested in the item just bid your maximum and
get on with life. The proxy bidding system will bid yours and
everyone elses bid up. And I guaranteee you that the the person who
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Roadie wrote:
You are giving the perfect description of someone who really doesn't
know or care to know what the value of an item is. That person wants
that radio and will snipe to get it. He is a seller dream cause he
will come in with a premptive bid 10 secods before the auction
close. Heart pounding, hands sweating he bangs the enter key at the
last possible second so that he and he alone willl get that radio and
the price is secondary.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

To quote you:

That person wants that radio and will snipe to get it.

So why not? He wants it, he likes having it delivered to his front door,
it's worth it to him. If YOU want it badly enough, feel free to snipe,
bid high, whatever.

eBay prices are like water. They seek their own level. Nobody puts a gun
to anyone's head to force them to bid...

P.S.
Furthermore you say:

so that he and he alone willl get that radio

He and he alone? You and you alone? I miss your point. There is only one
item so, yes, only -one- person will get it.

Again folks, this is an *AUCTION*, not Wal-Mart. *High* bidder wins.
What else would you expect of an auction?

On Feb 2, 8:07 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
Roadie wrote:
You are giving the perfect description of someone who really doesn't
know or care to know what the value of an item is. That person wants
that radio and will snipe to get it. He is a seller dream cause he
will come in with a premptive bid 10 secods before the auction
close. Heart pounding, hands sweating he bangs the enter key at the
last possible second so that he and he alone willl get that radio and
the price is secondary.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

If snipers are concerned more about winning the auction than they are
about the price they paid, that's ok as long as they acknowlege it.
But for them to say they have found some secret strategy for
minimizing their costs and at the same time winning auctions by
sniping is largely self-delusional.



To quote you:

That person wants that radio and will snipe to get it.

So why not? He wants it, he likes having it delivered to his front door,
it's worth it to him. If YOU want it badly enough, feel free to snipe,
bid high, whatever.

And that's ok as long as the individual realizes that he is probably
spending a lot more money than he would have had he applied a little
self discipline by setting and sticking to an established price and
not getting caught up in auction fever.


eBay prices are like water. They seek their own level. Nobody puts a gun
to anyone's head to force them to bid...

P.S.
Furthermore you say:

so that he and he alone willl get that radio

He and he alone? You and you alone? I miss your point. There is only one
item so, yes, only -one- person will get it.

That is a point that some of us seem to forget. It really does not
matter when you enter your bid. It only matters that yours is the
highest entered before the auction closes. Period.


Again folks, this is an *AUCTION*, not Wal-Mart. *High* bidder wins.
What else would you expect of an auction?

Roadie, you don't understand how eBay works. Sniping is a valid technique
that a lot of people use. If it didn't work, people wouldn't do it and
there wouldn't be third-party services that offer to do it for you.

Simply "bid your maximum and forget about it" is for beginners, amateurs, or
people that don't really care if they win an auction. If you truly want to
win an item at the lowest possible price, you must incorporate sniping into
your total strategy. Period.


"Roadie" wrote in message
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On Feb 2, 8:07 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
Roadie wrote:
You are giving the perfect description of someone who really doesn't
know or care to know what the value of an item is. That person wants
that radio and will snipe to get it. He is a seller dream cause he
will come in with a premptive bid 10 secods before the auction
close. Heart pounding, hands sweating he bangs the enter key at the
last possible second so that he and he alone willl get that radio and
the price is secondary.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

If snipers are concerned more about winning the auction than they are
about the price they paid, that's ok as long as they acknowlege it.
But for them to say they have found some secret strategy for
minimizing their costs and at the same time winning auctions by
sniping is largely self-delusional.



To quote you:

That person wants that radio and will snipe to get it.

So why not? He wants it, he likes having it delivered to his front door,
it's worth it to him. If YOU want it badly enough, feel free to snipe,
bid high, whatever.

And that's ok as long as the individual realizes that he is probably
spending a lot more money than he would have had he applied a little
self discipline by setting and sticking to an established price and
not getting caught up in auction fever.


eBay prices are like water. They seek their own level. Nobody puts a gun
to anyone's head to force them to bid...

P.S.
Furthermore you say:

so that he and he alone willl get that radio

He and he alone? You and you alone? I miss your point. There is only one
item so, yes, only -one- person will get it.

That is a point that some of us seem to forget. It really does not
matter when you enter your bid. It only matters that yours is the
highest entered before the auction closes. Period.


Again folks, this is an *AUCTION*, not Wal-Mart. *High* bidder wins.
What else would you expect of an auction?

On Feb 3, 4:54 pm, "Unrevealed Source"
wrote:
Roadie, you don't understand how eBay works. Sniping is a valid technique
that a lot of people use. If it didn't work, people wouldn't do it and
there wouldn't be third-party services that offer to do it for you.

Yes, and scads of people believe and buy purportedly foolproof
programs to beat the stockmarket and invest in real estate too.
Unfortunately the person who makes the money is the guy selling the
service. As with sniping software.



Ebay works as follows:

1. Sellers offer items for sale and sometimes they have an
established reserve.

2. Buyers make offers to purchase.

3. Ebay concludes the auction at a given time and ALWAYS awards the
auction to the person with the highest bid.

The high bidder may enter his bid on the first minute of the first day
on on the last minute of the last day. It makes no difference to the
outcome. If your bid is the highest you will win. Holding a bid
until the end will have no effect on who wins because the winner is
always determined by price.



Simply "bid your maximum and forget about it" is for beginners, amateurs, or
people that don't really care if they win an auction. If you truly want to
win an item at the lowest possible price, you must incorporate sniping into
your total strategy. Period.

"Roadie" wrote in message

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On Feb 2, 8:07 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
Roadie wrote:
You are giving the perfect description of someone who really doesn't
know or care to know what the value of an item is. That person wants
that radio and will snipe to get it. He is a seller dream cause he
will come in with a premptive bid 10 secods before the auction
close. Heart pounding, hands sweating he bangs the enter key at the
last possible second so that he and he alone willl get that radio and
the price is secondary.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

If snipers are concerned more about winning the auction than they are
about the price they paid, that's ok as long as they acknowlege it.
But for them to say they have found some secret strategy for
minimizing their costs and at the same time winning auctions by
sniping is largely self-delusional.

To quote you:

That person wants that radio and will snipe to get it.

So why not? He wants it, he likes having it delivered to his front door,
it's worth it to him. If YOU want it badly enough, feel free to snipe,
bid high, whatever.

And that's ok as long as the individual realizes that he is probably
spending a lot more money than he would have had he applied a little
self discipline by setting and sticking to an established price and
not getting caught up in auction fever.

eBay prices are like water. They seek their own level. Nobody puts a gun
to anyone's head to force them to bid...

P.S.
Furthermore you say:

so that he and he alone willl get that radio

He and he alone? You and you alone? I miss your point. There is only one
item so, yes, only -one- person will get it.

That is a point that some of us seem to forget. It really does not
matter when you enter your bid. It only matters that yours is the
highest entered before the auction closes. Period.

Again folks, this is an *AUCTION*, not Wal-Mart. *High* bidder wins.
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