"John Smith I" wrote in message
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wrote:

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73s,



Len:

Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the
download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web
page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the
toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I
will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private
hands and influence!

The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with
NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new
blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here.

Regards,
JS

There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and
create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in
its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not
create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC
web site.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:

...
73s,


Len:

Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the
download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web
page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the
toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I
will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private
hands and influence!

The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with
NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new
blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here.

Regards,
JS

There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and
create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in
its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not
create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC
web site.

Dee, N8UZE



Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law?
Do these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these
VEC elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the
senate?

Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down
the stairwell ...

JS

"John Smith I" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:

...
73s,


Len:

Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the
download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their
web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then
the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ...
I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta
private hands and influence!

The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement
with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some
new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here.

Regards,
JS

There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee
and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is
available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since
the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for
it to be on the FCC web site.

Dee, N8UZE

Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law? Do
these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these VEC
elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the
senate?

Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down the
stairwell ...

JS

No, you did not vote for the VECs. However, anyone could have sent an
objection to the FCC if they thought a given organization was unsuitable for
this program.

Yes they are responsible to you under the law since they are accountable to
the FCC. If any VEC (these are organizations by the way), is found to be
remiss in its duties, they can loose their standing as a VEC. At the time
the system was being developed, any organization could have applied and if
they met the FCC's standards could have been certified as a VEC.

Yes the VECs are responsible to you under the law since you have both the
right and responsibility to file a complaint with the FCC if you find that
they are not acting according to the requirements of the FCC.

The VECs do not use any public resource monies. The expenses of testing are
covered by the testing fees, which are set by the FCC.

The VECs were selected and appointed by the FCC from various organizations
applying for this task.

You may not like the VE system, but amateur radio experienced a surge of
growth once exams became available at times and locations that candidates
could get with ease and without having to take time off work.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:

...
73s,


Len:

Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the
download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their
web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then
the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ...
I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta
private hands and influence!

The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement
with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some
new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here.

Regards,
JS
There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee
and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is
available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since
the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for
it to be on the FCC web site.

Dee, N8UZE
Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law? Do
these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these VEC
elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the
senate?

Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down the
stairwell ...

JS

No, you did not vote for the VECs. However, anyone could have sent an
objection to the FCC if they thought a given organization was unsuitable for
this program.

Yes they are responsible to you under the law since they are accountable to
the FCC. If any VEC (these are organizations by the way), is found to be
remiss in its duties, they can loose their standing as a VEC. At the time
the system was being developed, any organization could have applied and if
they met the FCC's standards could have been certified as a VEC.

Yes the VECs are responsible to you under the law since you have both the
right and responsibility to file a complaint with the FCC if you find that
they are not acting according to the requirements of the FCC.

The VECs do not use any public resource monies. The expenses of testing are
covered by the testing fees, which are set by the FCC.

The VECs were selected and appointed by the FCC from various organizations
applying for this task.

You may not like the VE system, but amateur radio experienced a surge of
growth once exams became available at times and locations that candidates
could get with ease and without having to take time off work.

Dee, N8UZE



I want them gone, gov't bureaucrats are enough to put up with, private
sector idiots sneaking into gov't regs, rules, exams and policy is much
more than any citizen should endure. I already pay taxes to have these
things taken care of, they don't need to hire maids and butlers to do
their work ...

JS

John Smith I wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:

...
73s,


Len:

Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host
the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on
their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more
credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have
complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public
funds and keep this outta private hands and influence!

The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement
with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and
some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here.

Regards,
JS

There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool
Committee and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question
pool is available in its entirety for free from a number of websites
and since the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is
little reason for it to be on the FCC web site.

Dee, N8UZE


Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law?
Do these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these
VEC elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the
senate?

Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down
the stairwell ...

JS


JS

You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough
hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct
examination sessions.
There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work
on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the
paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is
getting rich on this program.

Dave WD9BDZ

David G. Nagel wrote:

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You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough
hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct
examination sessions.
There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work
on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the
paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is
getting rich on this program.

Dave WD9BDZ

Dave:

Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system.

Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you
already knew that ...

Regards,
JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
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David G. Nagel wrote:

...
You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough
hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct
examination sessions.
There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work
on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the
paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is
getting rich on this program.

Dave WD9BDZ

Dave:

Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system.

Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you
already knew that ...

Regards,
JS

So you want to give this much power to the government?? Not me. This was an
extremely progressive idea and actually gives a great deal of control to the
people. It maximizes the personal freedom and choices of the participants.
Would you really like to go back to the repressive "old" day??

Dee, N8UZE

On Mar 1, 3:15�pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
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David G. Nagel wrote:

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You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough
hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct
examination sessions.
There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work
on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the
paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is
getting rich on this program.

Dave WD9BDZ

Dave:

Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system.

Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you
already knew that ...

So you want to give this much power to the government?? Not me. *This was an
extremely progressive idea and actually gives a great deal of control to the
people. *It maximizes the personal freedom and choices of the participants.
Would you really like to go back to the repressive "old" day??

I don't regard privatization as "progressive," only economical
for the government...and, perhaps, less economical for the
individual depending on where they live relative to any testing
location.

COLEMs have it a bit easier since they can both teach a
commercial licensee and test them in a continuous course.
That is more convenient for the newbie commercial license
applicant. That is similar to school courses with the FCC
exam as the "final."

VECs - usually - do not sequentially teach and then test.
They can if they so desire, but few VEs are qualified or
have experience as teachers. VEs can proctor a test
with little experience other than handling paper and seeing
that all the blanks are properly filled-in and check answer
sheets against a template. That is not a Masters or
Doctorate level work. :-)

73, LA

Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
David G. Nagel wrote:

...
You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough
hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct
examination sessions.
There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work
on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the
paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is
getting rich on this program.

Dave WD9BDZ
Dave:

Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system.

Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you
already knew that ...

Regards,
JS

So you want to give this much power to the government?? Not me. This was an
extremely progressive idea and actually gives a great deal of control to the
people. It maximizes the personal freedom and choices of the participants.
Would you really like to go back to the repressive "old" day??

Dee, N8UZE



Take a civic/"American Government" class. All power comes from the
people and "flows" to our representatives, our representatives hire
other servants to assist them in carrying out the peoples will, and only
by our pleasure and for our well being, safety and needs.

All in government are a bunch of servants who work for us, kinda like
maids, butlers, handy men, maintenance people, logistic workers,
security, bean counters, etc.

If a few Americans are confused and attempt to worship them as
royalty--well, I just don't know how to save the ignorant from
themselves ... perhaps a better education will enlighten them?

Remember, our forefathers insisted we bear arms just to bring these guys
back into line--least they forget ...

Too many diverse cultures and peoples flowing into this country and
having lived under despots, disgusting dictators, communism, common
criminals, etc. has diluted our sense of who we are and what heritage we
have. This does need to be addressed ...

JS

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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David G. Nagel wrote:

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You can become a VEC if you so desire. Dave WD9BDZ

Dave:

Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system.

Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you
already knew that ...

Regards,
JS

So you want to give this much power to the government?? Not me. This was
an extremely progressive idea and actually gives a great deal of control
to the people. It maximizes the personal freedom and choices of the
participants. Would you really like to go back to the repressive "old"
day??

Dee, N8UZE

Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force. And,
like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. -George
Washington