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On Mar 12, 10:17�am, "RHF" wrote:
David Eduardo, OK -if- we look at the last FCC Data for AM and FM Broadcast Radio Station Totals :http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/totals/bt061231.html#START Total AM Radio Stations = 4,754 Total FM Radio Stations = 6,266 Total FM {Educational} PBS/NPR Radio Stations = 2,817 GRAND TOTAL FOR RADIO = 13,837 Why Not - Move about a third of the smaller lower powered AM/MW Radio Stations that serve small {local} Rural Radio Markets to "HD" FM Broadcasting and clear out the AM/MW Band of a lot of the over-crowding and noise. * *This would create "Space-and-Distance" within the AM/MW Radio Band for those wider "HD" AM Radio Signals and their Adjacent Channel Digial Noise. Why Not - Expand the FM Band to cover 76 MHz to 88 MHz to create and additional 60 Channels for most of the AM/MW Radio Stations to transition to -and- Clear-Out the AM/MW Band except for about 250 National and Regional Clear Channel AM "HD" Radio Stations. Again -IMHO- You have proven the case for FM "HD" Radio as a Long Term Business Strategy -and- You have shown that AM "HD" Radio is a short term business strategy that at best is only buying time for Corporations to Divest them selves of what will become an every dimishing market while their FM Radio Business is Growing and Expanding. "HD" {Digital-IBOC} AM/MW Radio only makes long term business sense when there are fewer AM/MW Radio Stations that are in-fact Clear Channels and Powerful enough to cover Large Regions of the Country Day-and-Night. *This can only happen with a reduction in the number of AM/MW Radio Stations and Greater Separtation : Frequency and Distance between the Radio Stations : 10 kHz and 100 Miles needs to be expanded to 20-30 kHz and 250+ Miles. Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. or better yet - why not, Why Not. WHY NOT ! - - - Leave AM Radio Alone :o) ~ RHF *. *. . . On Mar 10, 9:24 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Long Term IBOC FM "HD" Radio would give them : 1 - Better Overall Local Market Signal Coverage 2 - Better Sound Quality and the 'option' for a Second Audio {Data} Channel. 3 - Plus Younger Listener Demographics - - - So . . . *Why Waste the Time, Money and Technology on IBOC AM "HD" Radio which as you admit is at best a short term lossing game. There is a real simple reason and that is based on the fact that nearly all broadcast companies are publicly held. Moving a big n/t station *to FM and abandoning the AM to a lesser format would require a write-down of the book asset value of the property, which would affect earnings. Bonneville, held by the LDS, can afford to do this kind of dramatic move. Most of the rest will have to slowly move to simulcasts and gradual adjustments in the values of assets, rather than just pulling the lug; HD may offer some alternatives, such as niche music formats, too... it is a hedge play... and for a big AM, not particularly expensive. As an example, changing a 50 kw AM in LA to HD with a brand new transmitter is less than $250,000 in a market where bigger stations typically bill $40 million to $60 million a year.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Rethinking AM's Future" "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air." http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.557.html AM-HD is pretty much dead, anyway. The FCC has put out a podcast on RadioInk about IBOC. |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air." And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets. |
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David Frackelton Gleason, so bad as a boy, his mama sent him away to be a remittance man, wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. More usable QRM... hmmmm Edweenie, you'd best run along, and please, take your dog and pony show with you, retard. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Mar 12, 4:33?pm, dxAce wrote:
David Frackelton Gleason, so bad as a boy, his mama sent him away to be a remittance man, wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. More usable QRM... hmmmm Edweenie, you'd best run along, and please, take your dog and pony show with you, retard. dxAce Michigan USA DE is just trying to make all the DX'ers miserable, by dooming the SW and AM bands - but wait, IBOC to the rescue !!! |
Kim Komando - "America's Digital Goddess" - Promoting HD Radio ! ? ! ?
On Mar 12, 6:26 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air." And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets. You can keep spouting this crap until the cows come home but nobody but you believes it. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon, Kim Komando - "America's Digital Goddess" http://www.komando.com/buyguide/index.aspx?id=3024 would seam to be promoting HD Radio . . . KOMANDO = http://www.komando.com/ But me thinks that this is focused on FM "HD" Radio and AM {HD} Radio is not a real issue with her. hd radio well just may be... but then again only time will tell ~ RHF |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air." And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets. You can keep spouting this crap until the cows come home but nobody but you believes it. It's very simple to verify. Look at the geography of the metro in each top 100 market. Then look at the day and night "usable" coverage of the AM stations in each market. You will find that there are very few markets with more than a couple of signals that fully cover the market they are in; all the rest are partial in coverage and, by virtue of being AM and having defective coverage, are not going to be much of a factor. For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable. |
why not, Why Not. WHY NOT ! - Leave AM Radio Alone
On Mar 12, 6:26 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air." And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets. You can keep spouting this crap until the cows come home but nobody but you believes it. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon, Kim Komando - "America's Digital Goddess" http://www.komando.com/buyguide/index.aspx?id=3024 would seam to be promoting HD Radio . . . KOMANDO = http://www.komando.com/ But me thinks that this is focused on FM "HD" Radio and AM {HD} Radio is not a real issue with her. hd radio well just may be... but then again only time will tell ~ RHF |
why not, Why Not. WHY NOT ! - Leave AM Radio Alone
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air." And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets. You can keep spouting this crap until the cows come home but nobody but you believes it. It's very simple to verify. Look at the geography of the metro in each top 100 market. Then look at the day and night "usable" coverage of the AM stations in each market. You will find that there are very few markets with more than a couple of signals that fully cover the market they are in; all the rest are partial in coverage and, by virtue of being AM and having defective coverage, are not going to be much of a factor. For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable. OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"RHF" wrote: On Mar 12, 6:26 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote: Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an 'closed' Clear Channel. If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD more usable than the analog signal. "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air." And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets. You can keep spouting this crap until the cows come home but nobody but you believes it. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon, Kim Komando - "America's Digital Goddess" http://www.komando.com/buyguide/index.aspx?id=3024 would seam to be promoting HD Radio . . . Kim Komando - America's digital ditz on the radio. Can't expect anything more out a blond I guess. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. The radio-locator maps are labeled "for amusement purposes only." Listening of a quantifiable (as opposed to "occasional") nature occurs about 20% INSIDE the innermost red contour in radio-locator. This is proven in market after market, on AM and FM, based on overlaying listening maps on coverage contours. While you can "hear" many stations if you set out to find them, the average listener does not put up with anything but a strong, interference free signal... that means about 10 mv/m or more in a metro on AM and about 64 dbu on FM. Ventura / Oxnard is not even a top 100 market, anyway. But not a single one of the local stations (KOXR having the best signal day and night) even covers, usefully, 50% of the county. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. In ZIP Code 9303 there are only 4 AM stations that put a 10 mv/m or stronger over the area... 1590, 1520, 910 and 1450. Between 5 mv/m and 10, there are three: 1400 from Santa Paula and KFI and KNX from LA, brought in mostly by the nice salt water path. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Often? I realize they are probably running 700 kW or so, but *often*? The guys in Grayland will be impressed. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:42:22 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. The radio-locator maps are labeled "for amusement purposes only." Listening of a quantifiable (as opposed to "occasional") nature occurs about 20% INSIDE the innermost red contour in radio-locator. This is proven in market after market, on AM and FM, based on overlaying listening maps on coverage contours. While you can "hear" many stations if you set out to find them, the average listener does not put up with anything but a strong, interference free signal... that means about 10 mv/m or more in a metro on AM and about 64 dbu on FM. Ventura / Oxnard is not even a top 100 market, anyway. But not a single one of the local stations (KOXR having the best signal day and night) even covers, usefully, 50% of the county. You really need to lose the numbers, pal. People listen to signals where they can get them, even if Arbitron doesn't care about them. The FCC is supposed to protect their service, not help you make more money. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Often? I realize they are probably running 700 kW or so, but *often*? Even back when I lived in Phoenix in the 70's, 1475 was the bellwether station for openings to the Pacific. I would say that in the September to May period, it was detectable at least 75% of nights, and readable half of those. On the coast, it's so regular I don't keep track. This is somewhat tike 935 from Morocco in the 60's in the East and near-Midwest. Hearing it was no more unusual than haring WSM, and a good indication of conditions in the Mediterranean: it was 24/7 for Ramadan, meaning you could use it to predict reception of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the northern Africans in general, as well as Spain and Portugal. Similarly, in the 60's in the East, KORL on 650 around 2 to 3 AM EST was an indication of the potential for Australia and NZ reception. You obviously do not know much about MW DX, or you would know that 1475 is so common it has near-pest status. |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:42:22 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. The radio-locator maps are labeled "for amusement purposes only." Listening of a quantifiable (as opposed to "occasional") nature occurs about 20% INSIDE the innermost red contour in radio-locator. This is proven in market after market, on AM and FM, based on overlaying listening maps on coverage contours. While you can "hear" many stations if you set out to find them, the average listener does not put up with anything but a strong, interference free signal... that means about 10 mv/m or more in a metro on AM and about 64 dbu on FM. Ventura / Oxnard is not even a top 100 market, anyway. But not a single one of the local stations (KOXR having the best signal day and night) even covers, usefully, 50% of the county. You really need to lose the numbers, pal. People listen to signals where they can get them, even if Arbitron doesn't care about them. The FCC is supposed to protect their service, not help you make more money. A. Arbitron shows whatever people say they listen to, irrespective of where they are. B. The signals you are griping about are outside the protected contours, and have no guarantee of lack of interference. C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote:
Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in his little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is. There is hardly an AM station in the Portland, OR market that doesn't cover the entire market in the daytime. Many of them (620, 750, 910, 970, 1080, 1190, 1520) cover a much larger area. 620, 750 and 1190 are heard from Longview, WA to past Salem, OR. 620, 1080 and 1190 are heard pretty well on the coast as well. And I'm not talking DX'ing, I used to listen to them on a pocket transistor radio. The weakest signal of all in the area is 1230 in Gresham, but even they had a good daytime signal as far as the west hills, about 15 miles from their tower. 1390 in Salem is heard well in most of the south end of Portland, and they're only 1KW. When I worked for Entercom, I put up a directional loop on their studio building in SW Portland so they could null out 1410, which was only a mile or so away. This was so they could monitor the result of the microwave feed they were sending down there. What was at the time 930 KSWB in Seaside was the most popular station in Astoria, 21 miles away, against the two local Astoria stations. He's full of crap when he says that nobody listens outside the market/local urban area. That they don't show up in Arbitron is most likely a factor of Arbitron not bothering with logging outside the primary signal. And let's talk about FM's for just a second. A Salem station on 105.3 used to be heard over most of Portland. They decided to up their audience a little bit by moving their tower site to a point between Portland and Salem, off to the east a bit from both, and now they're considered a city grade contour for both cities and most places in between on the I-5 corridor. They can be heard on a car stereo solidly as far south as Eugene. Basically what they did to the station was turned it from a Salem local to a rimshotter and made a big success of it. Turn off the QRM, Gleason... we don't need it, don't want it. All it does is cause problems for people who aren't inside your precious 'city grade contour'.. and guy, that's a LOT of people. And we buy things. WE COUNT. *applause* (Quoted in its entirety intentionally.) -- Eric F. Richards, "It's the Din of iBiquity." -- Frank Dresser |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in his little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is. Unfortunately for this conclusion, there is a wealth of data which supports my position and none supporting yours. There is hardly an AM station in the Portland, OR market that doesn't cover the entire market in the daytime. Of course, my definition of an AM station being viable states that the station must cover the entire market day and night. This is also the standard definiton of broadcast analysts, appraisers and the industry in general. Many of them (620, 750, 910, 970, 1080, 1190, 1520) cover a much larger area. 910, 1520 and 1080 do not cover the entire market at night, and 750 is marginal. In a northern latitude market, where for much of the year night ends several hours into morning drive and starts well befor ethe end of afternoon drive, not having night coverage of the whole market is mortal to a station. 620, 750 and 1190 are heard from Longview, WA to past Salem, OR. 620, 1080 and 1190 are heard pretty well on the coast as well. And I'm not talking DX'ing, I used to listen to them on a pocket transistor radio. Salem is not in the metro, nor is Longview. The real issue is if they give a suable and useful signal in the market... one that overcomes the manmade noise 95% or more of the time in all the metro. What was at the time 930 KSWB in Seaside was the most popular station in Astoria, 21 miles away, against the two local Astoria stations. He's full of crap when he says that nobody listens outside the market/local urban area. That they don't show up in Arbitron is most likely a factor of Arbitron not bothering with logging outside the primary signal. Actually, Arbitron "logs" nothing. Listeners write in whatever they listen to, with no restrictions whatsoever. In fact the instructions say to write down anything that "you listen to" on the radio, including satellite and internet stations.l The Arbitron report shows "below the line" (a term meaning not licensed in the metro) listening, but it is so minimal that you don't see out of market stations ranked. For all practical purposes, out of market listening is so minimal, individually and collectively as to not be statistically significant or reliable. And let's talk about FM's for just a second. A Salem station on 105.3 used to be heard over most of Portland. They decided to up their audience a little bit by moving their tower site to a point between Portland and Salem, off to the east a bit from both, and now they're considered a city grade contour for both cities and most places in between on the I-5 corridor. They can be heard on a car stereo solidly as far south as Eugene. Basically what they did to the station was turned it from a Salem local to a rimshotter and made a big success of it. And that explains why it does not exist now? Turn off the QRM, Gleason... we don't need it, don't want it. All it does is cause problems for people who aren't inside your precious 'city grade contour'.. and guy, that's a LOT of people. And we buy things. WE COUNT. Again, there is no evidence that significant listening occurs outside fairly intense contours. And since AM is now so little used at all, trying alternatives that may give it additional life make sense. Otherwise, AM will simply disappear... as it already has as a relevant service for nearly everyone under 45 or 50 years of age. Being able to hear a station does not mean it will get actual listening. Listening requires a combination of factors, including a solid signal. It helps if you are also on FM, too. |
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Just back from trying out for 'Prancing With the Stars', David Frackelton Gleason, who poses as 'Eduardo', wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Often? I realize they are probably running 700 kW or so, but *often*? Even back when I lived in Phoenix in the 70's, 1475 was the bellwether station for openings to the Pacific. I would say that in the September to May period, it was detectable at least 75% of nights, and readable half of those. On the coast, it's so regular I don't keep track. This is somewhat tike 935 from Morocco in the 60's in the East and near-Midwest. Hearing it was no more unusual than haring WSM, and a good indication of conditions in the Mediterranean: it was 24/7 for Ramadan, meaning you could use it to predict reception of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the northern Africans in general, as well as Spain and Portugal. Similarly, in the 60's in the East, KORL on 650 around 2 to 3 AM EST was an indication of the potential for Australia and NZ reception. You obviously do not know much about MW DX, or you would know that 1475 is so common it has near-pest status. Pest status.... hmmmm, that seems to be what you've attained. ROTFLMFAO at the fake Hispanic. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Mar 13, 7:19�am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, *Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable. OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. -- Telamon Ventura, California Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in his little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is. There is hardly an AM station in the Portland, OR market that doesn't cover the entire market in the daytime. Many of them (620, 750, 910, 970, 1080, 1190, 1520) cover a much larger area. 620, 750 and 1190 are heard from Longview, WA to past Salem, OR. 620, 1080 and 1190 are heard pretty well on the coast as well. And I'm not talking DX'ing, I used to listen to them on a pocket transistor radio. The weakest signal of all in the area is 1230 in Gresham, but even they had a good daytime signal as far as the west hills, about 15 miles from their tower. 1390 in Salem is heard well in most of the south end of Portland, and they're only 1KW. *When I worked for Entercom, I put up a directional loop on their studio building in SW Portland so they could null out 1410, which was only a mile or so away. *This was so they could monitor the result of the microwave feed they were sending down there. What was at the time 930 KSWB in Seaside was the most popular station in Astoria, 21 miles away, against the two local Astoria stations. *He's full of crap when he says that nobody listens outside the market/local urban area. That they don't show up in Arbitron is most likely a factor of Arbitron not bothering with logging outside the primary signal. And let's talk about FM's for just a second. *A Salem station on 105.3 used to be heard over most of Portland. They decided to up their audience a little bit by moving their tower site to a point between Portland and Salem, off to the east a bit from both, and now they're considered a city grade contour for both cities and most places in between on the I-5 corridor. They can be heard on a car stereo solidly as far south as Eugene. *Basically what they did to the station was turned it from a Salem local to a rimshotter and made a big success of it. Turn off the QRM, Gleason... we don't need it, don't want it. All it does is cause problems for people who aren't inside your precious 'city grade contour'.. and guy, that's a LOT of people. And we buy things. WE COUNT.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brenda Ann - you go get'em girl ! We sure do count, as that IBOC shill is finding out, with few HD radios sold, and more-and-more people complaining to people that count. I just complained to threee AM stations today, in our area ! Let's get this ******* called, HD/ IBOC ! |
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On Mar 13, 2:40�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in his little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is. Unfortunately for this conclusion, there is a wealth of data which supports my position and none supporting yours. There is hardly an AM station in the Portland, OR market that doesn't cover the entire market in the daytime. Of course, my definition of an AM station being viable states that the station must cover the entire market day and night. This is also the standard definiton of broadcast analysts, appraisers and the industry in general. Many of them (620, 750, 910, 970, 1080, 1190, 1520) cover a much larger area. 910, 1520 and 1080 do not cover the entire market at night, and 750 is marginal. In a northern latitude market, where for much of the year night ends several hours into morning drive and starts well befor ethe end of afternoon drive, not having night coverage of the whole market is mortal to a station. 620, 750 and 1190 are heard from Longview, WA to past Salem, OR. 620, 1080 and 1190 are heard pretty well on the coast as well. And I'm not talking DX'ing, I used to listen to them on a pocket transistor radio. Salem is not in the metro, nor is Longview. The real issue is if they give a suable and useful signal in the market... one that overcomes the manmade noise 95% or more of the time in all the metro. What was at the time 930 KSWB in Seaside was the most popular station in Astoria, 21 miles away, against the two local Astoria stations. *He's full of crap when he says that nobody listens outside the market/local urban area. That they don't show up in Arbitron is most likely a factor of Arbitron not bothering with logging outside the primary signal. Actually, Arbitron "logs" nothing. Listeners write in whatever they listen to, with no restrictions whatsoever. In fact the instructions say to write down anything that "you listen to" on the radio, including satellite and internet stations.l The Arbitron report shows "below the line" (a term meaning not licensed in the metro) listening, but it is so minimal that you don't see out of market stations ranked. For all practical purposes, out of market listening is so minimal, individually and collectively as to not be statistically significant or reliable. And let's talk about FM's for just a second. *A Salem station on 105.3 used to be heard over most of Portland. They decided to up their audience a little bit by moving their tower site to a point between Portland and Salem, off to the east a bit from both, and now they're considered a city grade contour for both cities and most places in between on the I-5 corridor. They can be heard on a car stereo solidly as far south as Eugene. *Basically what they did to the station was turned it from a Salem local to a rimshotter and made a big success of it. And that explains why it does not exist now? Turn off the QRM, Gleason... we don't need it, don't want it. All it does is cause problems for people who aren't inside your precious 'city grade contour'.. and guy, that's a LOT of people. And we buy things. WE COUNT. Again, there is no evidence that significant listening occurs outside fairly intense contours. And since AM is now so little used at all, trying alternatives that may give it additional life make sense. Otherwise, AM will simply disappear... as it already has as a relevant service for nearly everyone under 45 or 50 years of age. Being able to hear a station does not mean it will get actual listening. Listening requires a combination of factors, including a solid signal. It helps if you are also on FM, too. HD/IBOC is doomed, ****-ball ! |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... And let's talk about FM's for just a second. A Salem station on 105.3 used to be heard over most of Portland. They decided to up their audience a little bit by moving their tower site to a point between Portland and Salem, off to the east a bit from both, and now they're considered a city grade contour for both cities and most places in between on the I-5 corridor. They can be heard on a car stereo solidly as far south as Eugene. Basically what they did to the station was turned it from a Salem local to a rimshotter and made a big success of it. And that explains why it does not exist now? Actually, they DO still exist. There was a frequency realignment in the region a while back, where stations were fudged a bit to allow addition of a couple more stations into the crowded market (98.5 was moved to 98.7, allowing a new station on 97.9, 105.3 moved to 105.1 to make room for a new station on 105.9) Man, RadioLocator is out of date for the area.... KRSK's CP pretty much city--grades the market on 105.1; the old facility with the site in the vicinity of Silverton missed about 40% of the market on t he 70 dbu. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... And let's talk about FM's for just a second. A Salem station on 105.3 used to be heard over most of Portland. They decided to up their audience a little bit by moving their tower site to a point between Portland and Salem, off to the east a bit from both, and now they're considered a city grade contour for both cities and most places in between on the I-5 corridor. They can be heard on a car stereo solidly as far south as Eugene. Basically what they did to the station was turned it from a Salem local to a rimshotter and made a big success of it. And that explains why it does not exist now? Actually, they DO still exist. There was a frequency realignment in the region a while back, where stations were fudged a bit to allow addition of a couple more stations into the crowded market (98.5 was moved to 98.7, allowing a new station on 97.9, 105.3 moved to 105.1 to make room for a new station on 105.9) Man, RadioLocator is out of date for the area.... KRSK's CP pretty much city--grades the market on 105.1; the old facility with the site in the vicinity of Silverton missed about 40% of the market on t he 70 dbu. Pest status... indeed. |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote: C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR. Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting: diversity. BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. I thought the scattered few don't matter in your world. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't know what to say about your perverted market research being contrary to my experience. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. You keep saying that if a AM station does not have a strong signal then people will not listen to it and then follow that up with there are only two or three stations that have that signal strength. Well I have at least 16 and I'm in the northern part of one of the biggest markets so you are wrong. I don't give a dam about any volts per mete contour maps you imagine seeing these signals are strong and noise is not an issue hearing any of them. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Listening and the ability to hear a station are very different. If people are not listening to these strong stations it must be because of the programming. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. In ZIP Code 9303 there are only 4 AM stations that put a 10 mv/m or stronger over the area... 1590, 1520, 910 and 1450. Between 5 mv/m and 10, there are three: 1400 from Santa Paula and KFI and KNX from LA, brought in mostly by the nice salt water path. I'm in 93001. Yes Goleta to San Diego daytime stations are very strong. Nightime is also good except when I get that phase cancelation of sky and ground wave, which is solved with the sync. The car radio does not have that so at times nigh time reception can suck in the car. Same thing. 910, 1590 and 1450 are the only stations with day and night signals over 10 mv/m in your ZIP Code. You get 1250 from Santa Barbara, KSPN from LA and KNX between 5 mv/m and 10 mv/m. The rest are below 5 mv/ m. As I said, it has been proven hundreds of thousands of times that essentially nobody listens outside those contours. I have no idea what you are talking about. There are many more stations that come in with very strong signals. There are at least 16 of them. The signal strength meters of radio locator seem to be accurate. Go ahead and try zip 93001. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable. OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in his little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is. Snip Yeah, now he is telling me what I can hear based on some imaginary contour maps. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon wrote:
In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. I thought the scattered few don't matter in your world. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't know what to say about your perverted market research being contrary to my experience. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. You keep saying that if a AM station does not have a strong signal then people will not listen to it and then follow that up with there are only two or three stations that have that signal strength. Well I have at least 16 and I'm in the northern part of one of the biggest markets so you are wrong. I don't give a dam about any volts per mete contour maps you imagine seeing these signals are strong and noise is not an issue hearing any of them. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Listening and the ability to hear a station are very different. If people are not listening to these strong stations it must be because of the programming. Please explain what you meant by: ================================= I don't give a dam about any volts per mete contour maps you imagine seeing these signals are strong and noise is not an issue hearing any of them. ================================= I'm sure it's not as confusing as is commonly thought. mike |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo" wrote: C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR. Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting: diversity. Pre deregulation, half of US stations did not make money. BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today. No, it did not. |
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In article MzJJh.41828$lY6.11018@edtnps90, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. I thought the scattered few don't matter in your world. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't know what to say about your perverted market research being contrary to my experience. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. You keep saying that if a AM station does not have a strong signal then people will not listen to it and then follow that up with there are only two or three stations that have that signal strength. Well I have at least 16 and I'm in the northern part of one of the biggest markets so you are wrong. I don't give a dam about any volts per mete contour maps you imagine seeing these signals are strong and noise is not an issue hearing any of them. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Listening and the ability to hear a station are very different. If people are not listening to these strong stations it must be because of the programming. Please explain what you meant by: ================================= I don't give a dam about any volts per mete contour maps you imagine seeing these signals are strong and noise is not an issue hearing any of them. ================================= I'm sure it's not as confusing as is commonly thought. Why are you confused. David says that I can only get a few stations with a strong signal based on some volts per meter contour maps on those stations antenna patterns. Well his information is incorrect. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. I thought the scattered few don't matter in your world. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't know what to say about your perverted market research being contrary to my experience. This is not market research of some unknown brand. It is the analysis by ZIP Code and signal strength of what gets listening and what does not. Smaller signals get no significant diary mentions. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. You keep saying that if a AM station does not have a strong signal then people will not listen to it and then follow that up with there are only two or three stations that have that signal strength. And those are the only AMs that get any significant listening in your ZIP Code. Bingo. Well I have at least 16 and I'm in the northern part of one of the biggest markets so you are wrong. I don't give a dam about any volts per mete contour maps you imagine seeing these signals are strong and noise is not an issue hearing any of them. You are in market 120, which is hardly big.. And wherever you are, significant listening is only given to stations with big, listenable signals. Yet, in your ZIP code, in home listening to anything but the big signals is nearly non-existent. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Listening and the ability to hear a station are very different. If people are not listening to these strong stations it must be because of the programming. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. In ZIP Code 9303 there are only 4 AM stations that put a 10 mv/m or stronger over the area... 1590, 1520, 910 and 1450. Between 5 mv/m and 10, there are three: 1400 from Santa Paula and KFI and KNX from LA, brought in mostly by the nice salt water path. I'm in 93001. Yes Goleta to San Diego daytime stations are very strong. Nightime is also good except when I get that phase cancelation of sky and ground wave, which is solved with the sync. The car radio does not have that so at times nigh time reception can suck in the car. Same thing. 910, 1590 and 1450 are the only stations with day and night signals over 10 mv/m in your ZIP Code. You get 1250 from Santa Barbara, KSPN from LA and KNX between 5 mv/m and 10 mv/m. The rest are below 5 mv/ m. As I said, it has been proven hundreds of thousands of times that essentially nobody listens outside those contours. I have no idea what you are talking about. Correlation of ZIP codes where in home listening is reported to Arbitron with signal strength shows that in larger metros, there is nearly no listening to AMs outside the 10 mv/m contour, and I told you already how many staitons have that strength at your approximate location. There are many more stations that come in with very strong signals. There are at least 16 of them. The signal strength meters of radio locator seem to be accurate. Go ahead and try zip 93001. Radio Locator labels itself for amusement only. There is a reason... I use a professional broadcast mapping program and can see the signal strengths at any ZIP easily. There are 3 10 mv/m or better signals. That's all. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable. OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in his little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is. Snip Yeah, now he is telling me what I can hear based on some imaginary contour maps. .... based on FCC data which allowed the licensing and signal protection of each station. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... Why are you confused. David says that I can only get a few stations with a strong signal based on some volts per meter contour maps on those stations antenna patterns. I did not say you can not "get" more stations. I said that there will be no significant listening to stations that do not have a very strong signal, and this is proven by where each staiton is actually listened to. One thing is to hear a station (I can hear XEW in Mexico City right now on 900 AM, mixed with several other stations. I would not want to listen to it, though) and one is to be able to regularly listen with no interference and noise. You may put up with crappy signals, but the average listener to radio will not. Well his information is incorrect. The info comes from the FCC. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .com... In article , "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message igy.com. .. For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable. OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in his little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is. Snip Yeah, now he is telling me what I can hear based on some imaginary contour maps. ... based on FCC data which allowed the licensing and signal protection of each station. Your information or how you are interpreting it is faulty. I have many stations, on the order of sixteen, that have very strong signals. Noise is not an issue at all. What does it take to get that through your skull? Take a drive up to Ventura and see for yourself. The stations broadcast from Santa Barbara, Santa Paula, Ventura, Oxnard, Port Hueneme, Simi Valley, LA, and at the very least KOGO in San Diego. There is like 10 stations 30 miles or less away from me for Gods sake. Get a new line of crap to peddle. This one really stinks. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo" wrote: C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR. Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting: diversity. BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today. I'm waiting for this lie to be retracted. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... Yeah, now he is telling me what I can hear based on some imaginary contour maps. ... based on FCC data which allowed the licensing and signal protection of each station. Your information or how you are interpreting it is faulty. The information is composed of two parts. 1. Arbitron diary returns for in-home listening by ZIP code. 2. Signal strength by ZIP Code from professional engineering software, based on FCC licence values, ground condutivity, tc. I have many stations, on the order of sixteen, that have very strong signals. But only 3 put a 10 mv/m signal over your ZIP. Analysis of AM staitons by listening location shows that below that level in populated metro areas, there is, for all practical purposes, no listening. Noise is not an issue at all. What does it take to get that through your skull? Take a drive up to Ventura and see for yourself. Why should I. I am capable of looking at the field strengths of each station in your ZIP and knowing that no AM station with less than a 10 mv/m gets significant in-home listening in that ZIP, I conclude that the general rule about listening to weaker signals holds true, yet again. The stations broadcast from Santa Barbara, Santa Paula, Ventura, Oxnard, Port Hueneme, Simi Valley, LA, and at the very least KOGO in San Diego. Some in your ZIP have about 2 mv/m. As stated before, you may hear them if you try, but "normal" radio listeners do not listen to them as they are not stong enough to be usefully listenable. There is like 10 stations 30 miles or less away from me for Gods sake. Get a new line of crap to peddle. This one really stinks. But, in your ZIP, there are only 3 above 10 mv/m. And those are, buy no strange coincidence, the only ones that get any significant diary mentions in your ZIP. |
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On Mar 12, 11:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA. In ZIP Code 9303 there are only 4 AM stations that put a 10 mv/m or stronger over the area... 1590, 1520, 910 and 1450. Between 5 mv/m and 10, there are three: 1400 from Santa Paula and KFI and KNX from LA, brought in mostly by the nice salt water path. I'm in 93001. Yes Goleta to San Diego daytime stations are very strong. Nightime is also good except when I get that phase cancelation of sky and ground wave, which is solved with the sync. The car radio does not have that so at times nigh time reception can suck in the car. Same thing. 910, 1590 and 1450 are the only stations with day and night signals over 10 mv/m in your ZIP Code. You get 1250 from Santa Barbara, KSPN from LA and KNX between 5 mv/m and 10 mv/m. The rest are below 5 mv/ m. - As I said, it has been proven hundreds of thousands of times - that essentially nobody listens outside those contours. DE, There is the old 80% / 20% Rule which is most likely what you are talking about : You can spend 20% of the Cost and get 80% of the "Potential" Radio Listeners 'with-in' the Contours -or- You can spend 80% (4X) of the Cost and get the remaining 20% of the "Potential" Radio Listeners out-side' the Contours. * This does not mean that the 'other' 20% are not vailid "Potential" Radio Listeners 'out-side' the Contours. * Simply means that the 20% of "Potential" Radio Listeners 'out-side' the Contours are not Cost Effective as a Business Objective. * The Out-Side 20% are Too Costly of a Market to Sell. Liars - Damn Liars -and- Those Who Use Numbers . . . Too Misstate the Facts {Truth} ! numb3rs are not necessarily facts ~ RHF |
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m II wrote: dxAce wrote: Just back from trying out for 'Prancing With the Stars', David Frackelton Gleason, who poses as 'Eduardo', wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast. It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be. These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all come in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big markets. Try again. Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM stations. I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when a station running that digital crap covers them up. Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone listens to them in LA. Often? I realize they are probably running 700 kW or so, but *often*? Even back when I lived in Phoenix in the 70's, 1475 was the bellwether station for openings to the Pacific. I would say that in the September to May period, it was detectable at least 75% of nights, and readable half of those. On the coast, it's so regular I don't keep track. This is somewhat tike 935 from Morocco in the 60's in the East and near-Midwest. Hearing it was no more unusual than haring WSM, and a good indication of conditions in the Mediterranean: it was 24/7 for Ramadan, meaning you could use it to predict reception of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the northern Africans in general, as well as Spain and Portugal. Similarly, in the 60's in the East, KORL on 650 around 2 to 3 AM EST was an indication of the potential for Australia and NZ reception. You obviously do not know much about MW DX, or you would know that 1475 is so common it has near-pest status. Pest status.... hmmmm, that seems to be what you've attained. ROTFLMFAO at the fake Hispanic. I thought you gave up getting drunk in a public forum. I thought you gave up being a dumbass Canuck in a public forum, boy. dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "David" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo" wrote: C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR. Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting: diversity. BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today. I'm waiting for this lie to be retracted. We're certainly waiting for a LOT of your lies to be retracted. dxAce Michigan USA |
why not, Why Not. WHY NOT ! - Leave AM Radio Alone
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:43:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo" wrote: C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR. Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting: diversity. BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today. I'm waiting for this lie to be retracted. News Update - Tuesday, March 13, 2007 Tough day for Spanish Broadcasting System. The stock's down about 10% as investors absorb the 9% drop in fourth quarter radio revenue and Raul Alarcon's first-quarter guidance for "a decrease in the mid-single digit range." COO Marko Radlovic says "the big disconnect" is in national revenues and they're working on it with Interep. Alarcon assures analysts SBS can weather recent morning-show defections in New York and Miami. -insideradio |
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