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On Mar 26, 11:13 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers, denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see. From AllAccess.com Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition! The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a real alternative to satellite ... SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200), enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time." SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for subscription services as an example of the competition between terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate antitrust panel. What does this have to do with shortwave? Consider the number of SW broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. And with DRM's spotty support among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on international broadcasting's future. SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access. Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR. And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain. Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket, as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh, this even makes MY skin crawl. There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first taking over all the radio stations.' Free information threatens to become a thing of the past. X |
For those who've said it's not happening.....
On Mar 26, 9:24 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will : 1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio 2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio 3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio 4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM "HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM "HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet for All Tax. - - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did ! . That is both funny and frightening.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I aim to amuse and the power of government is frightening ~ RHF |
For those who've said it's not happening.....
On Mar 26, 9:30 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote: On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: ? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers, denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see. ? ? From AllAccess.com Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition! The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a real alternative to satellite ... SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200), enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time." SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for subscription services as an example of the competition between terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate antitrust panel. ? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on international broadcasting's future. ? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access. ? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR. And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain. ? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket, as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh, this even makes MY skin crawl. ? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first taking over all the radio stations.' ? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past. Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc One notable quote: "Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology." So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets ! And let's hope that continues. Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will fall by the wayside and be forgotten. Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation scheme for broadcast. It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will : 1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio 2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio 3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio 4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM "HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM "HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet for All Tax. - - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did ! . . . . LOL! Roy, you're a sick man. God love you for it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oops I am having another Hillary Moment ! :o) ~ RHF |
On Mar 26, 6:10�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
* wrote: On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: ? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers, denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see. ? ? From AllAccess.com Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition! The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a real alternative to satellite ... SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200), enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time." SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for subscription services as an example of the competition between terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate antitrust panel. ? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on international broadcasting's future. ? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access. ? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR. And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain. ? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket, as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh, this even makes MY skin crawl. ? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first taking over all the radio stations.' ? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past. Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc One notable quote: "Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology." So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets ! ? ? And let's hope that continues. ? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will fall by the wayside and be forgotten. ? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation scheme for broadcast. ? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast bands are doomed. ? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning, but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and listeners will make the migration. ? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's, or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening. ? ?That's where the mandate will come from. ? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it failed due to lack of consumer interest: "Digital radio in Canada" "The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor, between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite radio." http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada..... The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take. ? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point. ? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting. ? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or internet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this article, to let the marketplace decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models, with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised. * *It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it. Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing with you there. * *But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week. You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a mandated transition to an all digital scheme. * *As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it. And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since there are still FREE alternatives. * *If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will spend the money. * *They WILL do it. * *And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play. * *An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They can mandate full-digital mode for radio, but it still won't be an incentive for consumers - generally, consumers do not care about terrestrial radio, and by the time, if/when this is mandated decades from now, Wireless Internet/WiFi/WiMax will be commonplace, and terrestrial radio will be dead. |
On Mar 26, 6:10�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
* wrote: On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: ? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers, denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see. ? ? From AllAccess.com Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition! The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a real alternative to satellite ... SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200), enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time." SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for subscription services as an example of the competition between terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate antitrust panel. ? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on international broadcasting's future. ? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access. ? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR. And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain. ? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket, as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh, this even makes MY skin crawl. ? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first taking over all the radio stations.' ? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past. Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc One notable quote: "Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology." So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets ! ? ? And let's hope that continues. ? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will fall by the wayside and be forgotten. ? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation scheme for broadcast. ? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast bands are doomed. ? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning, but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and listeners will make the migration. ? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's, or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening. ? ?That's where the mandate will come from. ? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it failed due to lack of consumer interest: "Digital radio in Canada" "The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor, between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite radio." http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada..... The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take. ? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point. ? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting. ? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or internet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this article, to let the marketplace decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models, with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised. * *It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it. Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing with you there. * *But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week. You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a mandated transition to an all digital scheme. * *As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it. And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since there are still FREE alternatives. * *If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will spend the money. * *They WILL do it. * *And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play. * *An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You still don't get it - they can manufacture all the HD Radios they want, but consumers are not buying ! |
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Manufacture Yugos and people wont buy them either.
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On Mar 26, 6:10�pm, D Peter Maus wrote: � wrote: On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: ? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers, denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see. ? ? From AllAccess.com Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition! The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a real alternative to satellite ... SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200), enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time." SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for subscription services as an example of the competition between terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate antitrust panel. ? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on international broadcasting's future. ? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access. ? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR. And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain. ? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket, as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh, this even makes MY skin crawl. ? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first taking over all the radio stations.' ? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past. Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc One notable quote: "Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology." So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets ! ? ? And let's hope that continues. ? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will fall by the wayside and be forgotten. ? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation scheme for broadcast. ? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast bands are doomed. ? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning, but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and listeners will make the migration. ? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's, or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening. ? ?That's where the mandate will come from. ? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it failed due to lack of consumer interest: "Digital radio in Canada" "The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor, between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite radio." http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada.... The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take. ? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point. ? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting. ? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or internet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this article, to let the marketplace decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models, with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised. � �It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it. Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing with you there. � �But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week. You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a mandated transition to an all digital scheme. � �As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it. And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since there are still FREE alternatives. � �If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will spend the money. � �They WILL do it. � �And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play. � �An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They can mandate full-digital mode for radio, but it still won't be an incentive for consumers - generally, consumers do not care about terrestrial radio, and by the time, if/when this is mandated decades from now, Wireless Internet/WiFi/WiMax will be commonplace, and terrestrial radio will be dead. Entirely possible, yes. I"m not quite as certain as you are about this, but, if you've been following these discussions, I've been making this point for sometime as well, yes. There may be less apathy about terrestrial radio than you think, but you're right about the rising popularity of alternatives. |
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On Mar 26, 6:10�pm, D Peter Maus wrote: � wrote: On Mar 26, 4:07?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:58?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:33?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote: ? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers, denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see. ? ? From AllAccess.com Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition! The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a real alternative to satellite ... SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200), enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time." SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for subscription services as an example of the competition between terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate antitrust panel. ? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on international broadcasting's future. ? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access. ? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR. And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain. ? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket, as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh, this even makes MY skin crawl. ? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first taking over all the radio stations.' ? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past. Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc One notable quote: "Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology." So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets ! ? ? And let's hope that continues. ? ? Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will fall by the wayside and be forgotten. ? ? Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation scheme for broadcast. ? ? It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But, the point is to let the marketplace decide, before anything is mandated - if IBOC is mandated, with no one listening, the broadcast bands are doomed. ? ?If digital is mandated, there will be a lot of ****ing and moaning, but once mandated, manufacturers will move into high gear to provide listening hardware, because there will be guaranteed money in it. and listeners will make the migration. ? ?Letting the marketplace decide may, indeed, not produce iBiquity's, or FCC's desired result. Because, as you say, there's no one listening. ? ?That's where the mandate will come from. ? ?Keep top of mind that FCC is committed to digital broadcasting. It will do what it takes to get there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is no proof that listeners would spend money on expensive HD Radios. This was tried in Canada, with DAB, but as we can see, it failed due to lack of consumer interest: "Digital radio in Canada" "The Commission is very concerned about the stalled DRB transition. Roughly 15 of the 76 authorized stations (including the digital-only operation in Toronto) are not on the air. Some stations that once operated have since ceased operations. Few recievers have been sold, and there is no interest in expanding DRB service beyond the six cities where it exists. Since DRB transmitters have only been built in the largest cities, motorists travelling between Quebec and Windsor, between Calgary and Edmonton, or between Vancouver and south-central British Columbia lose DRB reception. As a result, automakers have switched their support from terrestrial DRB to XM/Sirius satellite radio." http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com...adio-in-canada.... The same thing is happening in the US - even if manufacturers move into high-gear, that is not going to force consumers to buy digital radios. ?Consumers are already moving onto other technologies, and a digital mandate would only doom the broadcast bands. The probelm with HD Radio is not lack of distribution, but a lack of consumer up-take. ? ?Yes, I read that. And you make a good point. ? ?The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting. ? ?If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or internet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - With very few HD radios in hands of consumers, do you really think the FCC is going to mandate digital radio - that is the point of this article, to let the marketplace decide: "FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling" http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc I am confused, as to how you don't see this. Another big problem is the delicate nature of the IBOC signal - even home table-top models, with external antennas, have problems picking up HD signals - there is no way portable and in-dash HD is ever going to work, as advertised. � �It's not that I don't see it. It's that I see something behind it. Letting the market decide, is a very nice way of doing beta testing in the market places on the consumer dime. Precisely because of the ephemeral nature of the IBOC signal as you describe. I'm not disagreeing with you there. � �But you're only seeing the IBOC decision as announced last week. You're not considering the prior FCC mandate that all future modulation schemes for broadcast be digital. They're not backing off of that. And if the marketplace doesn't decide in their favor, there will be a mandated transition to an all digital scheme. � �As far as the hardware is concerned...yes, there is not much of it. And no portables, as of yet. But there are indash systems. And they do work. Lackluster sales are more a reflection of the lack of urgency on the part of the public to adopt the new technology. Especially, since there are still FREE alternatives. � �If, however, there is a mandate to transition to digital, there will be a HUGE incentive for manufacturers to develop and produce a wide spectrum of radios, portable and otherwise, and spend MILLIONS on R&D to make them work. Why? Because there will be a guaranteed market for the products. And the public, faced with the coming deadline to convert will spend the money. � �They WILL do it. � �And they WILL do it for the same reasons that they're spending money on HDTV's...because, in a word, they have to. It's coming, they can't stop it, and they don't get a choice not to play. � �An FCC mandate on Digital AM/FM Radio will produce the same impetus. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You still don't get it - they can manufacture all the HD Radios they want, but consumers are not buying ! Actually, I DO get it. If mandate is made, there will be HD sets sold in volume, because there will be no choice for listeners who wish to remain with terrestrial radio. You're right. There ARE options. And there will be more options as time progresses. But there will still be interest in terrestrial radio. The precedent is well established. The HDTV example is only the latest. |
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