For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

D Peter Maus wrote:
labtech1 wrote:
When my Zenith 9S232 (tube type radio) stops receiving broadcast &
shortwave
signals, I'll just stop
listening to those bands. However I think thats a long time in coming,
the
USA may be mandating 'digital'
transmissions, but the rest of the world isn't ( especially third world
countries). So I suspect that my SW listening
will continue for many years.

( and yes I have several other radios ( more modern) that I use, an
FRG-7700, a DX394, an AR5000 etc etc but the old
Zenith has a sound all its own )



Damned straight! And real radios keep you warm at night.

And your coffee warm in the morning.

Drifter...





"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...



Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.



From AllAccess.com



Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.


What does this have to do with shortwave? Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.

SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.

Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.

Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.

There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'

Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.

If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.


Internet radio is already being smashed into oblivion by the latest rulings
on royalties for digital content. I suspect that most, if not all, of
Live365's stations (which constitute, to the best of my knowledge, the only
completely legal indy internet stations) will go offline soon, unless that
decision is rethought and changed, as most do not have the money to cover
the retroactive (to January, 2006) doubling of royalty fees.

www.savenetradio.org



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.
.
. .


and all these years I thought Clear channel was a Bush supporter.

===============================
Clear Channel (WJLB-FM, WKQI-FM, WMXD-FM), Crawford Broadcasting
(WMUZ-FM) and Infinity Broadcasting (WOMC-FM, WVMV-FM ) bought BE FXI
digital FM exciters, FSI10 HD Radio signal generators and HD Radio FMi
transmitters for their respective Detroit stations. Infinity also
purchased BE's ASI10 HD Radio signal generator for WXYT-AM, to be used
in front of an existing 50kW AM transmitter. The FMI transmitters range
in power from 280W to 7kW.

http://beradio.com/currents/radio_currents_072604/
===============================





mike

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.

Snip

sarcasm on
Well, what a huge surprise. I never would have thought this possible.
I'm really, really shocked that such a thing is being discussed.
Sarcasm off

Now the real reason to go digital has been publicly revealed.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

Brenda Ann wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
The significant difference is that DAB was allowed to exist as an
alternative to extant terrestrial broadcasting.

If FCC mandates digital that will not be the case. Terrestrial
broadcasting will be digital. And alternatives will be satellite, or
internet.


Internet radio is already being smashed into oblivion by the latest rulings
on royalties for digital content. I suspect that most, if not all, of
Live365's stations (which constitute, to the best of my knowledge, the only
completely legal indy internet stations) will go offline soon, unless that
decision is rethought and changed, as most do not have the money to cover
the retroactive (to January, 2006) doubling of royalty fees.

www.savenetradio.org



I know there are already petitions to repeal, vacate, or modify the
decision. As well as several lawsuits filed.

Don't count it out in the long run. And with Wi-fi and mobile
carriers offering internet radio as a sales pitch for their services,
there's going to be some deep pockets involved in moving the courts to
revisit the decision.

It's going to be trouble in the short term, for internet radio, but
long term, it's viability is assured.

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

On Mar 26, 7:03 pm, m II wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2:13?pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
? ? Open discussion...before the Congress, no less...about HD Radio's
opportunity for subscription radio. From the outset, this has been
discussed by Radio's higher echelons, and digital hardware
manufacturers, even before the formation of iBiquity. It has been
proffered by iBiquity brass, discussed among station General Manglers,
denied by many, but now it's out on the table for all to see.
? ? From AllAccess.com
Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."
SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.
? ? What does this have to do with shortwave? ?Consider the number of SW
broadcasters who've left the air for internet distribution, or satellite
distribution--many not on Sirius or XM. ?And with DRM's spotty support
among broadcasters, the HD Radio decision is casting a forward shadow on
international broadcasting's future.
? ? SW broadcasting is expensive, and profitless. Even the great
stations like WNYW, run by proven commercially successful broadcasters
like Bonneville couldn't make it work. However, with the spectre of
subscription radio now reaching the OTA marketplace, there may be
opportunity for SW broadcasters to finally recoup costs by charging a
subscription fee....for Satellite, Internet, AND radio access.
? ? Meaning, you're entitled to only as much information as you PAY FOR.
And, that you pay for the propaganda you receive in the bargain.
? ? Being a rampant capitalist and a strong proponent of the freemarket,
as well as being converative two steps to the right of Rush Limbaugh,
this even makes MY skin crawl.
? ? There were some great PSA's in the 70's, about supporting free (free
and in content, not free as in cost) radio. And the message was most
effectively articulated by Roger Miller in one of these spots when he
said, 'no one has ever successfully taken over a country without first
taking over all the radio stations.'
? ? Free information threatens to become a thing of the past.
Luckily, the FCC has left HD/IBOC up to the marketplace to decide:
"FCC Adopts IBOC Ruling"
http://beradio.com/currents/radio-currents-031907/#iboc
One notable quote:
"Because the ruling does not include mandates for stations to commence
IBOC operations, it's allowing the market to decide. Stations that
oppose the system still have the choice not to adopt the technology."
So far, consumers have been voting with closed wallets !
And let's hope that continues.

Currently, there are a lot of practical questions to IBOC that are
not being satisfactorily answered for everyone. As the shake-out
continues, and systems become more refined, and as the listeners, who
have largely become used to the idea of taking what they get and liking
it, while being openly ignorned, become resigned to digital radio as
their option, the questions and objections being currently raised will
fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

Remember, it was FCC, itself, that mandated a digital modulation
scheme for broadcast.

It's only a matter of time before digital is implemented by command.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes when Hillary Clinton is Madam President in 2008 she will :

1 - Mandate Digital "HD" Broadcasting on AM & FM Radio

2 - Implement Paid Subscription Service on AM & FM "HD" Radio

3 - Enforce a "Fairness Doctrine" on AM & FM "HD" Radio

4 - Give out Vouchers to the Poor to Pay for their AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -via- a Tax on All AM & FM
"HD" Radios and Subscriptions -a la- the Al Gore Internet
for All Tax.

- - - you got to love that woman ~ RHF

Note - For Those who said it could not happen - Hillary Did !
.
.
. .

- and all these years I thought Clear channel was a Bush supporter.

===============================
Clear Channel (WJLB-FM, WKQI-FM, WMXD-FM), Crawford Broadcasting
(WMUZ-FM) and Infinity Broadcasting (WOMC-FM, WVMV-FM ) bought BE FXI
digital FM exciters, FSI10 HD Radio signal generators and HD Radio FMi
transmitters for their respective Detroit stations. Infinity also
purchased BE's ASI10 HD Radio signal generator for WXYT-AM, to be used
in front of an existing 50kW AM transmitter. The FMI transmitters range
in power from 280W to 7kW.

http://beradio.com/currents/radio_currents_072604/
===============================

mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mike - As long as you understand that Clear Channel
Spells BU$H with a Dollar Sign. ~ RHF

For those who've said it's not happening.....
 

RHF wrote:

Mike - As long as you understand that Clear Channel
Spells BU$H with a Dollar Sign. ~ RHF


I get the distinct impression you are saying that somehow corporate
money and politics are *connected*.

Say it isn't so!




mike