Telamon wrote:

Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to
various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared
to natural processes that control it.

We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally.
We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for
example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans
activity.

There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be
at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The
average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another
0.6 degC yet then decline.

Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable
temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke
so speculate all you want about what the future holds.

Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda
provider in the USA is Al Gore.

So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on
the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure,
it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still
have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming,
even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win.

On Apr 21, 4:03 pm, Whatever wrote:
Telamon wrote:

Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to
various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared
to natural processes that control it.

We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally.
We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for
example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans
activity.

There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be
at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The
average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another
0.6 degC yet then decline.

Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable
temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke
so speculate all you want about what the future holds.

Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda
provider in the USA is Al Gore.

So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on
the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure,
it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still
have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming,
even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Slight Possibility?? It's common sense. The earth's climate
is always changing. And we will adapt, as we have in the past. Do you
think that our climate should always be like the climate in the 1950's
or 60's and that it should be that way forever?? and that it was
always like that in the past?? Like I said, what about the Medieval
Warm Period when the world was warmer then now. Tell me what caused
that. Or the Little Ice Age from approx. the 1400's to the mid 19th
century. What caused that? How come back in the late sixties and
seventies they were trying to scare us with visions of Global Cooling
and another Ice Age???
Do you want to spend the Western World into the poor house for a
few ppm of CO2? Kyoto even lets China and India off the hook, and
allows us to continue CO2 production by purchasing credits. It will do
nothing, and cost untold Hundreds of Billions and Trillions of dollars
and destroy the economy of the western nations. And that is exactly
what some people want to see happen. They want to see the West go down
on it's knees. SOCIALISM WILL FINALLY BE TRIUMPHANT !!
By the way, ever hear of Ice Ages? Our caveman ancestors
survived the last ice age. And the polar bears survived the Medieval
Warm Period.
The climate will always change, get used to it.
Cato

Cato wrote:

On Apr 21, 4:03 pm, Whatever wrote:
Telamon wrote:

Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to
various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared
to natural processes that control it.

We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally.
We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for
example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans
activity.

There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be
at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The
average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another
0.6 degC yet then decline.

Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable
temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke
so speculate all you want about what the future holds.

Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda
provider in the USA is Al Gore.

So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on
the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure,
it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still
have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming,
even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Slight Possibility?? It's common sense. The earth's climate
is always changing. And we will adapt, as we have in the past. Do you
think that our climate should always be like the climate in the 1950's
or 60's and that it should be that way forever?? and that it was
always like that in the past?? Like I said, what about the Medieval
Warm Period when the world was warmer then now. Tell me what caused
that. Or the Little Ice Age from approx. the 1400's to the mid 19th
century. What caused that? How come back in the late sixties and
seventies they were trying to scare us with visions of Global Cooling
and another Ice Age???
Do you want to spend the Western World into the poor house for a
few ppm of CO2? Kyoto even lets China and India off the hook, and
allows us to continue CO2 production by purchasing credits. It will do
nothing, and cost untold Hundreds of Billions and Trillions of dollars
and destroy the economy of the western nations. And that is exactly
what some people want to see happen. They want to see the West go down
on it's knees. SOCIALISM WILL FINALLY BE TRIUMPHANT !!
By the way, ever hear of Ice Ages? Our caveman ancestors
survived the last ice age. And the polar bears survived the Medieval
Warm Period.
The climate will always change, get used to it.

You'll never convince them, Cato. It's their new religion.

On Apr 21, 4:33 pm, dxAce wrote:
Cato wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:03 pm, Whatever wrote:
Telamon wrote:

Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to
various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared
to natural processes that control it.

We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally.
We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for
example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans
activity.

There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be
at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The
average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another
0.6 degC yet then decline.

Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable
temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke
so speculate all you want about what the future holds.

Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda
provider in the USA is Al Gore.

So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on
the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure,
it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still
have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming,
even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Slight Possibility?? It's common sense. The earth's climate
is always changing. And we will adapt, as we have in the past. Do you
think that our climate should always be like the climate in the 1950's
or 60's and that it should be that way forever?? and that it was
always like that in the past?? Like I said, what about the Medieval
Warm Period when the world was warmer then now. Tell me what caused
that. Or the Little Ice Age from approx. the 1400's to the mid 19th
century. What caused that? How come back in the late sixties and
seventies they were trying to scare us with visions of Global Cooling
and another Ice Age???
Do you want to spend the Western World into the poor house for a
few ppm of CO2? Kyoto even lets China and India off the hook, and
allows us to continue CO2 production by purchasing credits. It will do
nothing, and cost untold Hundreds of Billions and Trillions of dollars
and destroy the economy of the western nations. And that is exactly
what some people want to see happen. They want to see the West go down
on it's knees. SOCIALISM WILL FINALLY BE TRIUMPHANT !!
By the way, ever hear of Ice Ages? Our caveman ancestors
survived the last ice age. And the polar bears survived the Medieval
Warm Period.
The climate will always change, get used to it.

You'll never convince them, Cato. It's their new religion.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You'll never convince them, Cato. It's their new religion.-

Ya, you're right. Most of them are "true believers" in
their new faith. We used to call it being "brainwashed " years ago.
Cato

On 21 Apr 2007 16:27:24 -0700, Cato wrote:

Like I said, what about the Medieval
Warm Period when the world was warmer then now. Tell me what caused
that. Or the Little Ice Age from approx. the 1400's to the mid 19th
century. What caused that?

2.3.3 Was there a ''Little Ice Age'' and a ''Medieval Warm
Period''?

The terms ''Little Ice Age'' and ''Medieval Warm Period'' have been
used to describe two past climate epochs in Europe and neighbouring
regions during roughly the 17th to 19th and 11th to 14th centuries,
respectively. The timing, however, of these cold and warm periods has
recently been demonstrated to vary geographically over the globe in a
considerable way...

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/070.htm

In article uLwWh.1557$Zm.901@trndny03, Whatever
wrote:

Telamon wrote:

Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to
various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared
to natural processes that control it.

We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally.
We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for
example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans
activity.

There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be
at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The
average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another
0.6 degC yet then decline.

Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable
temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke
so speculate all you want about what the future holds.

Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda
provider in the USA is Al Gore.

So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on
the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure,
it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still
have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming,
even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win.

What part of "man does not influence the climate" do you not understand?

The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you
would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for
nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to
happen.

Personally you can do your part by holding your breath.

Nothing wrong with being energy efficient and re-cycling waste so as to
not pollute but it is not going to change the climate.

You realize that trees and other plants generate particulate matter
right? Chances are scientists will figure out that all the cars sucking
in air and burning the natural particulate matter in it through filters
and catalytic converters put out less particulate than went into the
engine cleaning the air. Cleaner air next to the ground will let more
sunlight hit it warming the earth raising temperatures in the lower
atmosphere. How's that for a theory? Makes more sense than the global
warming crowd makes. So go out there and drive an old car that generates
more pollution and particulate matter into the air to fight global
warming like Al Gore does.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:42:05 -0700, Telamon
wrote:


The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you
would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for
nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to
happen.

It will only be an improvement over the joke we call ''civilization''.

In article ,
David wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:42:05 -0700, Telamon
wrote:


The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you
would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for
nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to
happen.

It will only be an improvement over the joke we call ''civilization''.

Really? I'm not ready to go back to the stone age. Feel free to go live
in a cave without running water or electricity. I guess you won't be
posting here anymore.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I am fixin to put my big bra on and get my Vietnam Medal and pin it on
my bra.
cuhulin

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:22:44 -0700, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:42:05 -0700, Telamon
wrote:


The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you
would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for
nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to
happen.

It will only be an improvement over the joke we call ''civilization''.

Really? I'm not ready to go back to the stone age. Feel free to go live
in a cave without running water or electricity. I guess you won't be
posting here anymore.

This pretty much has summed-up my take on the matter for the past 39
years. Me an' Jimi knew all along.
______________________
Up From The Skies (Exp)
Written by Jimi Hendrix

I just want to talk to you. I won't uh, do you no harm,
I just want to know about your different lives, on
this here people farm.

I heard some of you got your families, living in
cages tall & cold,
And some just stay there and dust away, past the
age of old.
Is this true? Please let me talk to you.

I just wanna know about, the rooms behind
your minds,
Do I see a vacuum there, or am I going blind?
Or is it just remains from vibrations and echoes
long ago,
Things like 'Love the World' and 'Let your fancy
flow',
Is this true? Please let me talk to you. Let me
talk to you.

I have lived here before, the days of ice,
And of course this is why I'm so concerned,
And I come back to find the stars misplaced
and the smell of a world that has burned.

The smell of a world that has burned.

Well, maybe, maybe it's just a change of
climate.
I can dig it, I can dig it baby, I just want to see.

So where do I purchase my ticket,
I would just like to have a ringside seat,
I want to know about the new Mother Earth,
I want to hear and see everything,
I want to hear and see everything,
I want to hear and see everything.
Aw, shucks,
If my daddy could see me now.