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( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
On Apr 23, 7:19 am, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
in rec.radio.shortwave, David said about: ( OT) Global Warming, a primer . . On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC), "Larry" wrote: It's going to be difficult for those people to explain the very real fact that the earth has been measurably cooling for the last eight years, in spite of an increase in CO2 levels. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/env...2006_warm.html nasa.gov ??? That says: =============begin quotes 2006 Was Earth's Fifth Warmest Year in the past century 02.08.07 Graphic listing the top five warmest years recorded Climatologists at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City have found that 2006 was the fifth warmest year in the past century. Image right: The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA Rank of the Years Year Temp C Anomaly Z score 2005 14.62 0.653 2.77 1998 14.56 0.593 2.51 2002 14.56 0.593 2.51 2003 14.54 0.573 2.43 2006 14.54 0.573 2.43 2004 14.48 0.513 2.17 2001 14.47 0.503 2.13 1997 14.39 0.423 1.79 1995 14.38 0.413 1.75 1990 14.37 0.403 1.71 1991 14.35 0.383 1.62 2000 14.33 0.363 1.54 1999 14.32 0.353 1.50 MEAN 13.967 0.000 0.00 1893 13.68 -0.287 -1.21 1913 13.68 -0.287 -1.21 1918 13.68 -0.287 -1.21 1894 13.67 -0.297 -1.26 1904 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1908 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1910 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1911 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1912 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1887 13.65 -0.317 -1.34 1909 13.64 -0.327 -1.38 1890 13.63 -0.337 -1.43 1907 13.61 -0.357 -1.51 1917 13.60 -0.367 -1.55 These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt They represent the results of tens of millions of readings taken at thousands of land stations and ships around the globe over the last 128 years. Yes, the land data are corrected for the urban heat island effect. The sea data do not need to be. There are few urban centers in the sea. The last 127 yearly means of these data are graphed at: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Glob...ean%20Temp.jpg Other groups that study climate change also rank these years as among the warmest, though the exact rankings vary depending upon details of the analyses. Results differ especially in regions of sparse measurements, where scientists use alternative methods of estimating temperature change. Goddard Institute researchers used temperature data from weather stations on land, satellite measurements of sea surface temperature since 1982 and data from ships for earlier years. =============end quotes. Thanks David! -- When one gains a political certainty akin to a loyal sports fan, one has achieved the final tranquility of servitude, a joyous slavery. "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776 |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
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( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:19:32 GMT, Doug Bashford wrote:
in rec.radio.shortwave, David said about: ( OT) Global Warming, a primer . . On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC), "Larry" wrote: It's going to be difficult for those people to explain the very real fact that the earth has been measurably cooling for the last eight years, in spite of an increase in CO2 levels. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/env...2006_warm.html nasa.gov ??? That says: Okay, let's stick with NASA. Last year, NASA published a report which said that earth's oceans have significantly cooled since 2003 (http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006...n_Cooling.txt). The World Meteorological Organization's data show that 2006 was cooler than 2005, which was cooler than 2004, which was cooler than 2003, etc., and so the WMO agrees with the NASA observations. Since the oceans have a large thermal inertia, they cool and warm significantly later than does the atmosphere itself. Unfortunately, the WMO (http://www.wmo.ch) has moved its data since I last accessed it, so I'll have to keep on digging to find the graphs they produced. An Assistant Professor of physics at MIT has summarized the data on his blog at http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/12/20...r-in-last.html, and you can access part of it there. The question is not the temperature during the last decade as compared to earlier decades, but rather the TREND in the current average annual temperature (which is downward). As the NASA paper says, a downward trending temperature is something which is not predicted by current models, and NASA intends to improve its models to take this "speed bump" into account. Guess the models aren't that reliable after all ... [Newsgroups trimmed to original group.] |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
It's either in Popular Science or Popular Mechanics magazine about four
or five years ago.(I snail mail subscribe to both magazines,I have that particular magazine floatin around here somewhere.I am the most unorganized dude on earth,it would take me ten years to dig up that magazine) A woman whom retired from NASA,she said,,, NASA! YOU ARE BROKEN! Go look around in your local area libraries for that magazine,with what she said on the cover of that magazine,,, and there is a big article about that in the magazine too. cuhulin |
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( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, In On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:43:12 +0000 (UTC), Larry said about: ( OT) Global Warming, a primer . . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:19:32 GMT, Doug Bashford wrote: in rec.radio.shortwave, David said about: ( OT) Global Warming, a primer . . On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC), "Larry" wrote: It's going to be difficult for those people to explain the very real fact that the earth has been measurably cooling for the last eight years, in spite of an increase in CO2 levels. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/env...2006_warm.html See figure A on that page for a graph of all the temps from 1880 - 2007. I see a warming trend with plenty of spikes and valleys. ...a really fast rise after 1975. ============begin quotes Images above: The upper graph [A] shows global annual surface temperatures relative to 1951 to 1980 mean, based on surface air measurements at meteorological stations and ship and satellite measurements for sea surface temperature. Over the past 30 years the Earth has warmed by about 0.6°C or 1.08°F. The lower image is a color map of temperature anomalies in 2006 relative to the 1951 to 1980 mean. Areas that were warmest in 2006 are in red, and areas that have cooled are in blue. Note that the Arctic has warmed significantly. These temperatures are for the calendar year 2006. “2007 is likely to be warmer than 2006,” said James Hansen, director of NASA GISS, “and it may turn out to be the warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements. Increased warmth is likely this year because an El Nino is underway in the tropical Pacific Ocean and because of continuing increases in human-made greenhouse gases.” Still from animation showing world temps in 1884. Image left: This animation shows a basic demonstration of the increase in annual mean temperature in five year increments from 1880 through 2006. Warmest temperatures are in red. Click on image to view animation. + High resolution still Credit: NASA/GISS Most places on the globe have warmed in recent decades, with the greatest warming at high latitudes in the Arctic Ocean, Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Peninsula. Most ocean areas have warmed. Climatologists say that warming is not due to local effects of heat pollution in urban areas, a point demonstrated by warming in remote areas far from major cities. This graph shows temperature changes since 1950 for both the entire world and just for the low latitudes. Image above: This graph shows temperature changes since 1950 for both the entire world and just for the low latitudes (23.6? North to South). Since 1950, world temperatures rose by 0.6?C (1.08? F) while the low latitude temperatures rose by 0.4?C (0.72?F). Blue semi-circles mark La Niñas, red rectangles mark El Niños, and green triangles mark large volcanoes. Credit: NASA. In their analysis for the 2005 calendar year, GISS climatologists noted the highest global annual average surface temperature in more than a century. Goddard Institute for Space Studies ============end quotes Check out that animated map! nasa.gov ??? That says: Okay, let's stick with NASA. Last year, NASA published a report which said that earth's oceans have significantly cooled since 2003 (http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006...n_Cooling.txt). The World Meteorological Organization's data show that 2006 was cooler than 2005, which was cooler than 2004, which was cooler than 2003, etc., and so the WMO agrees with the NASA observations. Since the oceans have a large thermal inertia, they cool and warm significantly later than does the atmosphere itself. Unfortunately, the WMO (http://www.wmo.ch) has moved its data since I last accessed it, so I'll have to keep on digging to find the graphs they produced. An Assistant Professor of physics at MIT .........snip, as you said, let's stick with NASA. The question is not the temperature during the last decade as compared to earlier decades, but rather the TREND in the current average annual temperature (which is downward). The paper you cite says: "But overall, the long-term trend is warming." http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006...an_Cooling.txt =======begin quote Researchers found the average temperature of the upper ocean rose by 0.16 degrees Fahrenheit from 1993 to 2003, and then fell 0.055 degrees Fahrenheit from 2003 to 2005. The recent decrease is a dip equal to about one-fifth of the heat gained by the ocean between 1955 and 2003. They analyzed data from a broad array of ocean moorings, floats and shipboard sensors, and supported their results with data from NASA's Jason and Topex/Poseidon satellites. Lyman said the recent cooling is not unprecedented. "While global ocean temperatures have generally increased over the past 50 years, there have also been substantial decadal decreases," he said. "Other studies have shown that a similar rapid cooling took place from 1980 to 1983. But overall, the long-term trend is warming." ======end quote Good paper! Much good stuff in there! Some dire. Thanks! As the NASA paper says, a downward trending temperature is something which is not predicted by current models, and NASA intends to improve its models to take this "speed bump" into account. Guess the models aren't that reliable after all ... Isn't that EXCITING!!?? grin [Newsgroups trimmed to original group.] Untrimmed. We may get better answers if we leave sci.environment in. There are some true experts there, as well as plenty of corporatist anti-environmental trolls and denialists. ** "Fascism should more properly be called ** corporatism, since it is the merger of state ** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the government by an individual, by a group or any controlling private power." -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress- 1938 Words mean something. --Doug -- When one gains a political certainty akin to a loyal sports fan, one has achieved the final tranquility of servitude, a joyous slavery. "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776 |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:18:36 GMT, Doug Bashford wrote:
[flushed] [original news groups restored] I'm not going to wade through the badly formatted followup which also fails to have correct headers for the character set in use. Instead, after restoring the original news group, I will only comment that NO ONE IS DENYING THAT THE EARTH HAS WARMED!!! Got it? What is at issue is the claim that the warming is due to CO2. If CO2 is the culprit, you have to explain how CO2 levels can increase while NASA notices that the oceans have cooled to a depth of more than half a mile. You have to explain how CO2 -- which is a minority greenhouse gas -- can control other greenhouse gases such as water vapor (which makes up 95% of the greenhouse gases). An alternative hypothesis chosen both by astrophysicists and by dissenting climatologists is that variations in the solar output have a strong influence which has been ignored by the "blame mankind" crowd. That's right: That big yellow thing in the sky is important, and you're ignoring it! Mars is warming too, and the simplest explanation is that both Earth and Mars are warming due to increased solar irradiance. It's a nice, simple explanation which may account for events on two planets and one of Saturn's moons. Occam's razor applies. In the meantime, Doug Bashford can consider himself plonked. I do not respond to cut-and-paste, crossposting trolls. |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
I have explained several times before about the Van Oort Cloud,and why
Earth warms up and cools down. cuhulin |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
On Apr 23, 8:00 am, Roger Coppock wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:19 am, (Doug Bashford) wrote: in rec.radio.shortwave, David said about: ( OT) Global Warming, a primer . . On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC), "Larry" wrote: It's going to be difficult for those people to explain the very real fact that the earth has been measurably cooling for the last eight years, in spite of an increase in CO2 levels. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/env...2006_warm.html nasa.gov ??? That says: =============begin quotes 2006 Was Earth's Fifth Warmest Year in the past century 02.08.07 Graphic listing the top five warmest years recorded Climatologists at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City have found that 2006 was the fifth warmest year in the past century. Image right: The five warmest years since the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists, are in descending order 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006. Credit: NASA Rank of the Years Year Temp C Anomaly Z score 2005 14.62 0.653 2.77 1998 14.56 0.593 2.51 2002 14.56 0.593 2.51 2003 14.54 0.573 2.43 2006 14.54 0.573 2.43 2004 14.48 0.513 2.17 2001 14.47 0.503 2.13 1997 14.39 0.423 1.79 1995 14.38 0.413 1.75 1990 14.37 0.403 1.71 1991 14.35 0.383 1.62 2000 14.33 0.363 1.54 1999 14.32 0.353 1.50 MEAN 13.967 0.000 0.00 1893 13.68 -0.287 -1.21 1913 13.68 -0.287 -1.21 1918 13.68 -0.287 -1.21 1894 13.67 -0.297 -1.26 1904 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1908 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1910 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1911 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1912 13.66 -0.307 -1.30 1887 13.65 -0.317 -1.34 1909 13.64 -0.327 -1.38 1890 13.63 -0.337 -1.43 1907 13.61 -0.357 -1.51 1917 13.60 -0.367 -1.55 These globally averaged temperature data come from NASA:http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt They represent the results of tens of millions of readings taken at thousands of land stations and ships around the globe over the last 128 years. Yes, the land data are corrected for the urban heat island effect. The sea data do not need to be. There are few urban centers in the sea. The last 127 yearly means of these data are graphed at:http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Glob...ean%20Temp.jpg Other groups that study climate change also rank these years as among the warmest, though the exact rankings vary depending upon details of the analyses. Results differ especially in regions of sparse measurements, where scientists use alternative methods of estimating temperature change. Goddard Institute researchers used temperature data from weather stations on land, satellite measurements of sea surface temperature since 1982 and data from ships for earlier years. =============end quotes. Thanks David! -- When one gains a political certainty akin to a loyal sports fan, one has achieved the final tranquility of servitude, a joyous slavery. "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My God! Can it really be that the Earth has warmed that much in the 128 years? About 1 degree C.? On no!!!! We are all going to burn up. The Earth is doomed. The Global Warming Doom Prophets are right. We must force our governments to do something. We must all get rid of our cars and trucks and go back to horses and buggies, and sailing ships. Shut off your electricity. Goodbye computers. We must force every citizen of our countries to do as the Prophets of Doom and the governments dictate. 1 degree!!!!! My God, Now I won't be able to sleep at night. Pass me a few whiskys. Straight up. Cato |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
www.devilfinder.com Berit Kjos Global Warming - Green Lies And
Amazing Truths If y'all think Earth is warm now,,, stick around for about four and a half billion more years.It will be the end times,I tell you,it will be the end of everything. cuhulin |
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