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( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:00:53 GMT, David wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:43:12 +0000 (UTC), "Larry" wrote: Okay, let's stick with NASA. Last year, NASA published a report which said that earth's oceans have significantly cooled since 2003 (http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006...n_Cooling.txt). ''Significantly''? 0.055 degrees is ''significant''? I would say that the loss of 20% of the heat gained between 1955 and 2003 is quite definitely "significant" (see your quote below). The rate is impressive too. The heat gained in 48 years has supposedly decreased by 20% in only an additional three years (the date of the report). Another part of the paper says "Lyman said the cause of the recent cooling is not yet clear. Research suggests it may be due to a net loss of heat from the Earth." That would seem to eliminate the idea of the heat being moved from one part of the earth to another. ''Researchers found the average temperature of the upper ocean rose by 0.16 degrees Fahrenheit from 1993 to 2003, and then fell 0.055 degrees Fahrenheit from 2003 to 2005. The recent decrease is a dip equal to about one-fifth of the heat gained by the ocean between 1955 and 2003. They analyzed data from a broad array of ocean moorings, floats and shipboard sensors, and supported their results with data from NASA's Jason and Topex/Poseidon satellites. Lyman said the recent cooling is not unprecedented. "While global ocean temperatures have generally increased over the past 50 years, there have also been substantial decadal decreases," he said. "Other studies have shown that a similar rapid cooling took place from 1980 to 1983. But overall, the long-term trend is warming." Please allow me to reiterate my original point: I agree that the earth is warming. I just don't buy into the idea that carbon dioxide is the primary reason. CO2 levels continued to increase during the years that the oceans lost 20% of the heat they gained since 1955, and that should be yet another reason to question the orthodoxy of CO2 driven warming. Unfortunately, CO2 driven warming is the new religion of the environmental left, and they're not interested in the scientific facts. Witness some of the shrill posters in this forum (not you) who don't want anyone to question their religion. |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
Suppose there isn't anything at all beyond our Universe.It is a well
known fact that light has Mass/Light is a Physical thingy/Light does exert Pressure.If there isn't anything at all beyond our Universe,does Light escape from our Universe (actually,God's Universe) and into and beyond our Universe? If so,I think that means beyond our Universe,there is Matter/Atoms/Light beyond our Universe.A perfect Vacuum (in my opinion) does not have so much as one tiny Atom,or part of an Atom inside of a perfect Vacuum. I think only only The MAN upstairs knows for sure. cuhulin |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
On Apr 24, 6:00 am, David wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:43:12 +0000 (UTC), "Larry" wrote: Okay, let's stick with NASA. Last year, NASA published a report which said that earth's oceans have significantly cooled since 2003 (http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006...n_Cooling.txt). ''Significantly''? 0.055 degrees is ''significant''? ''Researchers found the average temperature of the upper ocean rose by 0.16 degrees Fahrenheit from 1993 to 2003, and then fell 0.055 degrees Fahrenheit from 2003 to 2005. The recent decrease is a dip equal to about one-fifth of the heat gained by the ocean between 1955 and 2003. They analyzed data from a broad array of ocean moorings, floats and shipboard sensors, and supported their results with data from NASA's Jason and Topex/Poseidon satellites. Lyman said the recent cooling is not unprecedented. "While global ocean temperatures have generally increased over the past 50 years, there have also been substantial decadal decreases," he said. "Other studies have shown that a similar rapid cooling took place from 1980 to 1983. But overall, the long-term trend is warming." The Earth is Warming -while- the Oceans are Cooling Why - It all on Big Hot Fudge Sun-Day ~ RHF |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Whatever" wrote in message news:FViXh.1096$KB1.89@trndny09... Brenda Ann wrote: On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, wrote: If y'all think Earth is warm now,,, stick around for about four and a half billion more years.It will be the end times,I tell you,it will be the end of everything. cuhulin I think that the 4.5 billion years may be quite an overestimate. I've read more conservative estimates of 1 to 1.5 billion years before the sun goes nova (Solar system warming?) I suspect that mankind will be long extinct by that time, or gone from the spent planet. The sun doesn't have enough mass to go through the nova stage at the end of it's life. When it runs out of fuel for nuclear fusion, the sun will slowly expand to a red giant which dissipates into the solar system, leaving behind a white dwarf star. This star shines from residual heat instead of fusion. It has a much longer life span than the original star (sun). The white dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf which emits radio waves instead of light but the universe is not old enough yet for black dwarf stars to exist. Thanks for the cosmology lesson. Never too old to learn something new. Either way, though, the Earth would get pretty warm as the red giant expands to engulf it. The red giant could expand to the orbit of Mars! The earth would be a charred cinder. If humans survive the next few thousand years, we will probably have the technology to do most anything we want with the matter in the universe, thus preventing the earth's demise. But we might not have any need for a planet by then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
On Apr 22, 10:22 am, "Larry" wrote:
On 22 Apr 2007 04:18:41 -0700, wrote: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Featur...GlobalWarming&... That so-called "primer" neglects to mention that water vapor is a major greenhouse gas and that water vapor constitutes 95% of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. That makes water vapor (which comes mostly from the oceans) THE most important greenhouse gas because of its overwhelming presence. - Link?? The "primer" also neglects to mention that the oceans absorb / release a great deal of atmospheric CO2 as their temperatures change, complicating any simple-minded attempt to relate atmospheric CO2 to human production of CO2. - Link ?? As the debate continues in the public realm, the average person is going to realize that the alarmists aren't making much scientific sense at all. That will be a good thing and may save all of us from needless and damaging public policy. - So, you're saying that man, and his activities, are NOT affecting Global Climate at all ?? http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...385/index.html |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
Texas recently had some bad weather.Some of that weather is heading East
toward me right now. www.halandmals.com Mal's St.Paddy's Day,weather link.5:00 PM WAPT tv news is cranking up right now.Eleven dead,heavy property damage in Texas and Mexico.David South on WAPT www.wapt.com says no tornado warnings right now and he doesn't expect any.I hope he is right,he usually is.We need the rain,we don't need tornados. cuhulin |
( OT) Global Warming, a primer . .
"Cato" wrote My God! Can it really be that the Earth has warmed that much in the 128 years? About 1 degree C.? A pretty spectacular rise given that a 2'C fall will produce another ice age. "Cato" wrote On no!!!! Classic Libertarian ignorance. I am afraid they will have to be exterminated. |
(OT) : So the Question is VD - Can You Handle It ?
On May 25, 1:45 pm, "Vendicar Decarian"
wrote: "Cato" wrote My God! Can it really be that the Earth has warmed that much in the 128 years? About 1 degree C.? A pretty spectacular rise given that a 2'C fall will produce another ice age. "Cato" wrote On no!!!! Classic Libertarian ignorance. I am afraid they will have to be exterminated. VD - Publish your real Name and Address here -and- I am sure that someone will show up at your Door for a real Face-to-Face exchange of Words and Ideas - No Physical Violence Please ! So the Question is VD - Can You Handle It ? oh the silence and eternal waiting ~ RHF |
(OT) : So the Question is VD - Can You Handle It ?
On May 25, 1:45 pm, "Vendicar Decarian"
wrote: "Cato" wrote My God! Can it really be that the Earth has warmed that much in the 128 years? About 1 degree C.? A pretty spectacular rise given that a 2'C fall will produce another ice age. "Cato" wrote On no!!!! Classic Libertarian ignorance. I am afraid they will have to be exterminated. VD - Publish your real Name and Address here -and- I am sure that someone will show up at your Door for a real Face-to-Face exchange of Words and Ideas - No Physical Violence Please ! So the Question is VD - Can You Handle It ? oh the silence and eternal waiting ~ RHF |
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