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On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, wrote:
www.devilfinder.com Berit Kjos Global Warming - Green Lies And
Amazing Truths

If y'all think Earth is warm now,,, stick around for about four and a
half billion more years.It will be the end times,I tell you,it will be
the end of everything.
cuhulin

cuhulin, that devil finder is pretty interesting. I never used it
before. And that article hits the nail right on the head. I wish
everyone would read it. Sure explains a lot.
Cato

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On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, wrote:

If y'all think Earth is warm now,,, stick around for about four and a
half billion more years.It will be the end times,I tell you,it will be
the end of everything.
cuhulin

I think that the 4.5 billion years may be quite an overestimate. I've read
more conservative estimates of 1 to 1.5 billion years before the sun goes
nova (Solar system warming?) I suspect that mankind will be long extinct by
that time, or gone from the spent planet.

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On Apr 22, 9:22 am, "Larry" wrote:
On 22 Apr 2007 04:18:41 -0700, wrote:



http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Featur...GlobalWarming&...

That so-called "primer" neglects to mention that water vapor is a major
greenhouse gas and that water vapor constitutes 95% of the greenhouse
gases in the atmosphere. That makes water vapor (which comes mostly
from the oceans) THE most important greenhouse gas because of its
overwhelming presence.

The "primer" also neglects to mention that the oceans absorb / release a
great deal of atmospheric CO2 as their temperatures change, complicating
any simple-minded attempt to relate atmospheric CO2 to human production
of CO2.

As the debate continues in the public realm, the average person is going
to realize that the alarmists aren't making much scientific sense at
all. That will be a good thing and may save all of us from needless and
damaging public policy.

Some of the information here seems to indicate that a biproduct of the
glaciers cooling is methane gas. Perhaps we should be looking to
harnessing this source as a potential alternative fuel. See the
following link for coalbed methane which is being widely developed in
the midwest.

http://coalbed.com/slides/sld001.htm

Just a thought - should anyone want to start up a new business.

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In article ,
(Doug Bashford) wrote:


in rec.radio.shortwave, David said about:
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC), "Larry"
wrote:

It's going to be difficult for those people to explain the very real
fact that the earth has been measurably cooling for the last eight
years, in spite of an increase in CO2 levels.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/env...2006_warm.html

nasa.gov ???
That says:

=============begin quotes

2006 Was Earth's Fifth Warmest Year in the past century

02.08.07

Graphic listing the top five warmest years recorded Climatologists at
the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City
have found that 2006 was the fifth warmest year in the past century.

Image right:
The five warmest years since
the late 1880s, according to NASA scientists,
are in descending order
2005,
1998,
2002,
2003 and
2006.
Credit: NASA

Other groups that study climate change also rank these years as among
the warmest, though the exact rankings vary depending upon details of
the analyses. Results differ especially in regions of sparse
measurements, where scientists use alternative methods of estimating
temperature change.

Goddard Institute researchers used temperature data from weather
stations on land, satellite measurements of sea surface temperature
since 1982 and data from ships for earlier years.
=============end quotes.

Thanks David!

Yeah, thanks for nothing. It's been cooler around here on the coast.
http://www.calclim.dri.edu/cgi-bin/anomimage.pl?cal1mTxdep.gif

I guess the next ice age is just around the corner for the California
coast.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2007 16:07:58 -0700, RHF wrote:


- The fact that Al Gore thinks that way is enough for me
- to run the other way. The guy is the biggest hypocrite
- BS artist around. Second place would go to that ditz
- Art Bell had on the last weekend.

That shows the extreme level of absurdity that passes for critical
thinking these days.

''I refuse to believe it because then I'd have something in common
with a thoroughly decent person whom I've been told I don't like (even
though I've never met the fellow).''

OK, be the lemming and follow big Al over the cliff. Your choice.

I know Big Al did not do his due diligence on the issue and I refuse to
follow suit but you go right ahead and follow the new religion.

Talk about absurd... it just can't get worse that this.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2007 16:10:10 -0700, RHF wrote:

On Apr 22, 2:20 pm, David wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:30:14 +0000 (UTC), "Larry"
wrote:

It's going to be difficult for those people to explain the very real
fact that the earth has been measurably cooling for the last eight
years, in spite of an increase in CO2 levels.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/env...2006_warm.html

David - Clearly we are keeping better Records now. ~ RHF

Ahh...

So, some guys on You Tube know more about the Earth's temperature than
NASA? Is that your final answer?

We are headed for the next ice age. I'm freezing. Guess I'll have to buy
one of those older tube radios just to keep warm.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Commentary: Hand Gonzales, Wolfowitz Pink Slips
 

http://www.andnetwork.com/index?serv...ory&sp=l303033

Commentary: Hand Gonzales, Wolfowitz Pink Slips

April 23, 2007, 1 day, 1 hour and 5 minutes ago.

By (AND) - www.andnetwork.com

Margaret Carlson - Guest Columnist - Seattle Post-IntelligencerIn the
real world, it takes about a week for someone who has disgraced
himself like radio talk-show host Don Imus to lose his job. In
Washington, World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz and Attorney General
Alberto Gonzales hang on to their jobs for what seems like forever.
Wolfowitz was caught dissembling about how his girlfriend, World Bank
employee Shaha Riza, got a raise that was double the size allowed and
a guarantee of glowing reviews when she moved from the bank to the
State Department to avoid cronyism charges. His legal team was
unwilling to bend the rules, so he took it upon himself to dictate the
terms. Petty corruption is never good but is particularly bad for
Wolfowitz, who has made ending corruption in foreign countries his
signature mission. Of course, nailing Wolfowitz for that is a little
like getting Al Capone for tax evasion. Yet it's better than letting
the architect of the war in Iraq and peddler of all its false
pretenses get off scot-free and with a plum job to boot. After all,
the Medal of Freedom was awarded to others incriminated in the Iraq
debacle.

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Brenda Ann wrote:

On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, wrote:

If y'all think Earth is warm now,,, stick around for about four and a
half billion more years.It will be the end times,I tell you,it will be
the end of everything.
cuhulin


I think that the 4.5 billion years may be quite an overestimate. I've read
more conservative estimates of 1 to 1.5 billion years before the sun goes
nova (Solar system warming?) I suspect that mankind will be long extinct by
that time, or gone from the spent planet.

The sun doesn't have enough mass to go through the nova stage at the end
of it's life. When it runs out of fuel for nuclear fusion, the sun will
slowly expand to a red giant which dissipates into the solar system,
leaving behind a white dwarf star. This star shines from residual heat
instead of fusion. It has a much longer life span than the original star
(sun). The white dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf which emits
radio waves instead of light but the universe is not old enough yet for
black dwarf stars to exist.

http://hea-www.harvard.edu/scied/SUN/sunpage.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_dwarfs

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"Whatever" wrote in message
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Brenda Ann wrote:

On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, wrote:

If y'all think Earth is warm now,,, stick around for about four and a
half billion more years.It will be the end times,I tell you,it will be
the end of everything.
cuhulin


I think that the 4.5 billion years may be quite an overestimate. I've
read more conservative estimates of 1 to 1.5 billion years before the sun
goes nova (Solar system warming?) I suspect that mankind will be long
extinct by that time, or gone from the spent planet.

The sun doesn't have enough mass to go through the nova stage at the end
of it's life. When it runs out of fuel for nuclear fusion, the sun will
slowly expand to a red giant which dissipates into the solar system,
leaving behind a white dwarf star. This star shines from residual heat
instead of fusion. It has a much longer life span than the original star
(sun). The white dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf which emits radio
waves instead of light but the universe is not old enough yet for black
dwarf stars to exist.

Thanks for the cosmology lesson. Never too old to learn something new.
Either way, though, the Earth would get pretty warm as the red giant expands
to engulf it.

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On Apr 24, 2:13 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Whatever" wrote in message

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Brenda Ann wrote:

On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, wrote:

If y'all think Earth is warm now,,, stick around for about four and a
half billion more years.It will be the end times,I tell you,it will be
the end of everything.
cuhulin

I think that the 4.5 billion years may be quite an overestimate. I've
read more conservative estimates of 1 to 1.5 billion years before the sun
goes nova (Solar system warming?) I suspect that mankind will be long
extinct by that time, or gone from the spent planet.

The sun doesn't have enough mass to go through the nova stage at the end
of it's life. When it runs out of fuel for nuclear fusion, the sun will
slowly expand to a red giant which dissipates into the solar system,
leaving behind a white dwarf star. This star shines from residual heat
instead of fusion. It has a much longer life span than the original star
(sun). The white dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf which emits radio
waves instead of light but the universe is not old enough yet for black
dwarf stars to exist.

Thanks for the cosmology lesson. Never too old to learn something new.
Either way, though, the Earth would get pretty warm as the red giant expands
to engulf it.- Hide quoted text -

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BAD,

The Life Cycle of the Sun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sun_Life.png

About - The Sun {Old Sol}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

wiki wiki ~ RHF