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On Jun 30, 8:44 pm, m II wrote:
HFguy wrote:
Not sure who's distance theories you're referring to but I was replying
to the first poster's quote (above) about the distance of the sun from
the earth during the (northern) summer and winter, which as you
acknowledge, has nothing to do with the cause of the seasons.

I misunderstood the statement that "It only applies to the Northern
Hemisphere". The brain kept telling me that the whole planet is closer
to the Sun in winter, not just the Northern half. The distance the
planet is closer is far greater than the amount given by the precession.

My fault..please accept my humble apologies.

In fact
the southern summer and winter tend to be more extreme because the earth
happens to be closest and farthest from the sun respectively, during
those seasons in the southern hemisphere. We happen to live in an era
where this is the case. As the earth's axis precesses over a period of
26-thousand years, the seasons of the year when perihelion and aphelion
occur in each hemisphere slowly shifts. In about 13-thousand years from
now the situation will be reversed for each hemisphere.

I'll have to verify that...must leave note...Where is my acid free
papyrus.....

mike

Mike - Two Things Distance -and- Angle of Incidence
add up to the impact {Thermo-Load} that the Sun has
on any part of the Earth at any time of the Year. ~ RHF

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On Jun 30, 10:14 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article L7rhi.182$105.176@trndny08, HFguy
wrote:





Brenda Ann wrote:

"HFguy" wrote in message
news:uv1hi.10571$9b5.1632@trndny05...

Earth is closer to the Sun in Winter and further away from the Sun

in Summer.

This is true only for the northern hemisphere and it's not what causes the
seasons.

The Earth reaches perihelion - the point in its orbit closest to the Sun -
in early January, only about two weeks after the December solstice. Thus
winter begins in the northern hemisphere at about the time that the Earth
is
nearest the Sun. Is this important? Is there a reason why the times of
solstice and perihelion are so close? It turns out that the proximity of
the
two dates is a coincidence of the particular century we live in. The date
of
perihelion does not remain fixed, but, over very long periods of time,
slowly regresses (moves later) within the year. There is some evidence that
this long-term change in the date of perihelion influences the Earth's
climate.

That's called the orbital forcing theory of climate change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_forcing


- The only question left is when will we reach the aphelion
- of the hyperbole regarding global warming.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California


Telamon - Super Gluing Al Gore's Lips Shut
should get you there abouts -pdq- ~ RHF

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It's sort of like if you get a basketball and draw a line around the
middle of the basketball and call that line the Equator and shine a
flahlight at that line.Tilt the top of the basketball a little more
toward the light and that is Summer in America and it is Winter in
Australia.Tilt the top of the ball a little away from the light and it
is Winter in America and Summer in Australia.Mostly, the direct and
indirect light from the Sun makes the difference.It is Summertime in
America now and we are gradually heading toward Fall and on into
Winter.The hours of daylight are gradually getting shorter.
cuhulin

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RHF wrote:

Mike - Two Things Distance -and- Angle of Incidence
add up to the impact {Thermo-Load} that the Sun has
on any part of the Earth at any time of the Year. ~ RHF


I have a feeling that the Angle the light hits the surface at has a far
greater effect than a few piddly little million kilometers.

The angle of planet tilt added to the angle of the surface where you
live can drastically lower the quantity of energy hitting the surface in
the winter.

cosine(23 degrees tilt plus 50 degrees(where I live)) X available energy
= about a third of what's available.

I'm not good with spherical math, but I'm guessing that distance would
vary the energy per square unit in some ratio to a cube power...that
percent reduction would be multiplied by whatever the angle cosine gives us.

I have to go get a sweater now...





mike

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On Jul 1, 11:02 am, m II wrote:
RHF wrote:
Mike - Two Things Distance -and- Angle of Incidence
add up to the impact {Thermo-Load} that the Sun has
on any part of the Earth at any time of the Year. ~ RHF

I have a feeling that the Angle the light hits the surface at has a far
greater effect than a few piddly little million kilometers.

The angle of planet tilt added to the angle of the surface where you
live can drastically lower the quantity of energy hitting the surface in
the winter.

cosine(23 degrees tilt plus 50 degrees(where I live)) X available energy
= about a third of what's available.

I'm not good with spherical math, but I'm guessing that distance would
vary the energy per square unit in some ratio to a cube power...that
percent reduction would be multiplied by whatever the angle cosine gives us.

I have to go get a sweater now...

mike

Mike - Sounds {Reads} about right to me. ~ RHF

How Critical is the Earth-Sun Distance in maintaining
our Average Temperatures on Earth ?
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=331

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m II wrote:

I have a feeling that the Angle the light hits the surface at has a far
greater effect than a few piddly little million kilometers.

Your intuition is correct regarding the sun angle on the surface having
the greatest influence on the seasonal changes, but it's not clear if
the distance factor plays a role in long term climate changes. This is
related to the orbital forcing theory previously mentioned. The sun
produces about 1-KW/meter^2 above the earth's atmosphere. How much of
that energy is available on the ground depends mainly on the angle of
incidence, assuming it's a clear day.

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Earth Sun distance is Very critical.Do you want Springtime all year
around? Move to Costa Rica.
cuhulin

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On Jul 7, 11:29 pm, m II wrote:
RHF wrote:
this could be a real growth industry in the 'usa' for
made-in-america cars and trucks who were the
king of gas guzzlers in the pre-1980s
- - - but don't hold your breath . . . ~ RHF


- The entire carbon credit scam was developed in order
- to allow continued and increased emissions by the
- guilty parties.
-
- It's not even a band aid solution..more like smoke and
- mirrors...very dirty mirrors.
-
- dxAce will be by momentarily to tell us that clean air
- is Anti American.
-
- mike

Mike (M II) - If I were to believe you then :
1 - The Kyoto Protocol would be a Scam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
2 - Al Gore would be a Scam Artist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_gore
- - - say it isn't so ~ RHF

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I am Lucky I am not Canadian and I am Lucky I don't live in Canada.
About half an hour ago, doggy took me out in the front yard.I heard them
wimmins talking next door to me.Natcherly, doggy and I headed on over
there.Skinny twin sister went into her house and she came back out.She
handed me a paper plate with sheskabob and potato salad.Of course I
always save some for doggy.There is a new woman over there.She is from
Houston,Texas.She is tall (she is tall, she is tall) with lonnnng golden
hair.
cuhulin