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Default AM electromagnetic waves: 20 KHz modulation frequencyonanastronomically-low carrier frequency

On Jul 14, 6:31 am, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:32:20 -0700, Keith Dysart

Since your modulator version has a DC offset applied to
the 1e5 signal, some of the 1e6 signal is present in the
output, so your spectrum has components at .9e6, 1e6 and
1.1e6.


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Yes, of course, and 1e5 as well.


There is no 1e5 if the modulator is a perfect multiplier. A
practical multiplier will leak a small amount of 1e5.

Don't be fooled by the apparent 1e5 in the FFT from your
simulation. This is an artifact. Run the simulation with
a maximum step size of 0.03e-9 and it will completely
disappear. (Well, -165 dB).

To generate the same signal with the summing version you
need to add in some 1e6 along with the .9e6 and 1.1e6.


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That wouldn't be the same signal since .9e6 and 1.1e6 wouldn't have
been created by heterodyning and wouldn't be sidebands at all.


It does not matter how the .9e6, 1.0e6 and 1.1e6 are put into
the resulting signal. One can multiply 1e6 by 1e5 with a DC
offset, or one can add .9e6, 1.0e6 and 1.1e6. The resulting
signal is identical.

This can be seen from the mathematical expression
0.5 * (cos(a+b) + cos(a-b)) + cos(a)
= (1 + cos(b)) * cos(a)

Note that cos(b) is not prsent in the spectrum, only a,
a+b and a-b are there. And a will go away if the DC offset
is removed.

The results will be identical and the results of summing
will be quite detectable using an envelope detector just
as they would be from the modulator version.


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The results would certainly _not_ be identical, since the 0.9e6


To clearly see the equivalency, in the summing version of the
circuit, add in the 1.0e6 signal as well. The resulting
signal will be identical to the one from the multiplier
version.

(You can improve the fidelity of the resulting summed version
by eliminating the op-amp. Just use three resistors. The op-amp
messes up the signal quite a bit.)

If you have access to Excel, you might try the spreadsheet
available here (http://keith.dysart.googlepages.com/radio5).
It plots the results of adding and multiplying, and lets
you play with the frequencies and phases.

....Keith

 
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