It seems to be the case that free ads for HD radio on many stations
are going to end with the new yeard and HD seems to be nothing much
more than a money pit no matter how much it is promoted.


http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/hd-radio-market.html

wrote:

On Jul 27, 5:11 am, RHF wrote:
On Jul 27, 12:39 am, Tester wrote:

It seems to be the case that free ads for HD radio on many stations
are going to end with the new yeard and HD seems to be nothing much
more than a money pit no matter how much it is promoted.

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/hd-radio-market.html

Tester,

When the FCC and the Radio Industry can get
US Auto-Makers to make HD Radios 'standard'
Equipment in all new Cars - Then "HD" Radio will
be 'accepted' by the Radio Listening Public.

When the FCC "Mandates" that all new 'imported'
AM/FM Radios are "HD" Radios - Then "HD" Radio
will be 'adapted' by the Radio Listening Public.

Otherwise the 'acceptance' and 'adaption' of HD
Radio will take 5-15 Years like FM Radio did
-and- HD Radio has only been around for about
2-3 Years so only time will tell . . . ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Tester,

Standard HD Radio will never happen, as the Big 3 have rejected HD
Radio (it would cost them $600 million anually to install HD Radio, so
it isn't going to happen) and Satellite Radio and iPod jacks are
taking over in-dash::

"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"The radios are estimated to cost about $45 each to install, or each
of the three carmakers about $150 million to $200 million annually,
automotive industry sources said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...7?pageNumber=1

"XM vs. Sirius: Tale of the Transmitters"

"If you're buying a new car, there's a good chance you can have
satellite radio factory- or dealer-installed, and get a few months of
service free to boot. Honda, Acura and GM (including Chevy, Cadillac
and other brands) offer XM in many new models. Daimler Chrysler, BMW
and Ford (Volvo, Mazda, Jaguar) offer Sirius. Nissan and Volkswagen
offer both."

http://www.time.com/time/techtime/200404/sat-radio.html

"iPod Compatible Cars"

"More auto makers are discovering that iPod compatiblity can help
close a sale. Here's a list that won't break the bank when you sign on
the dotted line."

http://www.digitalmania-online.com/i...ible-Cars.html

Also, there will never be HD Radio mandates by the FCC, as a mandatory
switch to digital will never happen. The FCC has left it up to the
marketplace/consumers to determine the fate of HD Radio:

"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm

RHF is just another IBOC shill, as was the ghost of Eduardo who has
given up.

'Eduardo' has to devote an ever increasing amount of time into perfecting
his/her/its "Hispanic" shtick. I'm fairly certain that a 'baptismal certificate'
will soon surface thanks to some purveyor of fake documents.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Jul 27, 6:33 am, dxAce wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 27, 5:11 am, RHF wrote:
On Jul 27, 12:39 am, Tester wrote:

It seems to be the case that free ads for HD radio on many stations
are going to end with the new yeard and HD seems to be nothing much
more than a money pit no matter how much it is promoted.

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/hd-radio-market.html

Tester,

When the FCC and the Radio Industry can get
US Auto-Makers to make HD Radios 'standard'
Equipment in all new Cars - Then "HD" Radio will
be 'accepted' by the Radio Listening Public.

When the FCC "Mandates" that all new 'imported'
AM/FM Radios are "HD" Radios - Then "HD" Radio
will be 'adapted' by the Radio Listening Public.

Otherwise the 'acceptance' and 'adaption' of HD
Radio will take 5-15 Years like FM Radio did
-and- HD Radio has only been around for about
2-3 Years so only time will tell . . . ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Tester,

Standard HD Radio will never happen, as the Big 3 have rejected HD
Radio (it would cost them $600 million anually to install HD Radio, so
it isn't going to happen) and Satellite Radio and iPod jacks are
taking over in-dash::

"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"The radios are estimated to cost about $45 each to install, or each
of the three carmakers about $150 million to $200 million annually,
automotive industry sources said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...7?pageNumber=1

"XM vs. Sirius: Tale of the Transmitters"

"If you're buying a new car, there's a good chance you can have
satellite radio factory- or dealer-installed, and get a few months of
service free to boot. Honda, Acura and GM (including Chevy, Cadillac
and other brands) offer XM in many new models. Daimler Chrysler, BMW
and Ford (Volvo, Mazda, Jaguar) offer Sirius. Nissan and Volkswagen
offer both."

http://www.time.com/time/techtime/200404/sat-radio.html

"iPod Compatible Cars"

"More auto makers are discovering that iPod compatiblity can help
close a sale. Here's a list that won't break the bank when you sign on
the dotted line."

http://www.digitalmania-online.com/i...ible-Cars.html

Also, there will never be HD Radio mandates by the FCC, as a mandatory
switch to digital will never happen. The FCC has left it up to the
marketplace/consumers to determine the fate of HD Radio:

"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm

RHF is just another IBOC shill, as was the ghost of Eduardo who has
given up.

'Eduardo' has to devote an ever increasing amount of time into perfecting
his/her/its "Hispanic" shtick. I'm fairly certain that a 'baptismal certificate'
will soon surface thanks to some purveyor of fake documents.

dxAce
Michigan
USA- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He just posted in the "Times up for iNiquity" thread - I thought that
might wake him up after his 6 week hiatus ! He even stopped posting
on radio-info's HD board, but he just sat logged in a lot. He sure
wasted a lot of time shilling to the radio-geeks for HD Radio - Ha
Ha !!!

On Jul 27, 3:25 am, wrote:
On Jul 27, 5:11 am, RHF wrote:





On Jul 27, 12:39 am, Tester wrote:

It seems to be the case that free ads for HD radio on many stations
are going to end with the new yeard and HD seems to be nothing much
more than a money pit no matter how much it is promoted.

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/hd-radio-market.html

Tester,

When the FCC and the Radio Industry can get
US Auto-Makers to make HD Radios 'standard'
Equipment in all new Cars - Then "HD" Radio will
be 'accepted' by the Radio Listening Public.

When the FCC "Mandates" that all new 'imported'
AM/FM Radios are "HD" Radios - Then "HD" Radio
will be 'adapted' by the Radio Listening Public.

Otherwise the 'acceptance' and 'adaption' of HD
Radio will take 5-15 Years like FM Radio did
-and- HD Radio has only been around for about
2-3 Years so only time will tell . . . ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Tester,

Standard HD Radio will never happen, as the Big 3 have rejected HD
Radio (it would cost them $600 million anually to install HD Radio, so
it isn't going to happen) and Satellite Radio and iPod jacks are
taking over in-dash::

"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"The radios are estimated to cost about $45 each to install, or each
of the three carmakers about $150 million to $200 million annually,
automotive industry sources said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...7?pageNumber=1

"XM vs. Sirius: Tale of the Transmitters"

"If you're buying a new car, there's a good chance you can have
satellite radio factory- or dealer-installed, and get a few months of
service free to boot. Honda, Acura and GM (including Chevy, Cadillac
and other brands) offer XM in many new models. Daimler Chrysler, BMW
and Ford (Volvo, Mazda, Jaguar) offer Sirius. Nissan and Volkswagen
offer both."

http://www.time.com/time/techtime/200404/sat-radio.html

"iPod Compatible Cars"

"More auto makers are discovering that iPod compatiblity can help
close a sale. Here's a list that won't break the bank when you sign on
the dotted line."

http://www.digitalmania-online.com/i...ible-Cars.html

Also, there will never be HD Radio mandates by the FCC, as a mandatory
switch to digital will never happen. The FCC has left it up to the
marketplace/consumers to determine the fate of HD Radio:

"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm

RHF is just another IBOC shill, as was the ghost of Eduardo who has
given up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

IBOC IS A CRAZY IDEA

The Anti-Shill {IBOC Slayer} ~ RHF

In article ,
Ron Hardin wrote:

I liked the AM-on-FM-subchannel feature, which allowed me to hear
a so-called local Imus affiliate finally. I see no point in
additional FM channels for music though. It's the same junk as
the regular FM.

And of course Imus is gone now, so that edge is gone.

AM HD radio is annoying even when it works ; like vinyl records,
AM has a pleasing sound on its own, and this just destroys that
slight advantage. In addition, it drops in and out of HD when
a thunderstorm goes through, which is beyond annoying and you have
to search for a station carrying the same program without HD.

Then there's the HD hash, but that's been discussed to death. I'm
just talking now about HD when you're listening to the HD station.

Keep the FM subchannels, throw out the rest.

HD and DRM may be different technically but share commonalities in how
they degrade in less than perfect conditions. Both systems do not have
enough margin built in to make them an actual improvement over analog.
The almost endless BS by some posters and economic interests has been
hard to take. These systems do not use enough bandwidth to actually have
improved sound. These systems do not have enough redundancy to have
adequate weak signal or interference protection. HD and DRM sound
quality and reliability just plain suck.

I posted this years ago that these systems do not fit the medium in that
they do not transfer information in a more reliable manner that analog.
There is no improvement using HD or DRM over analog as a result.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article .com,
wrote:

On Jul 27, 7:31?am, RHF wrote:
On Jul 27, 4:09 am, Ron Hardin wrote:





I liked the AM-on-FM-subchannel feature, which allowed me to hear
a so-called local Imus affiliate finally. I see no point in
additional FM channels for music though. It's the same junk as
the regular FM.

And of course Imus is gone now, so that edge is gone.

AM HD radio is annoying even when it works ; like vinyl records,
AM has a pleasing sound on its own, and this just destroys that
slight advantage. In addition, it drops in and out of HD when
a thunderstorm goes through, which is beyond annoying and you have
to search for a station carrying the same program without HD.

Then there's the HD hash, but that's been discussed to death. I'm
just talking now about HD when you're listening to the HD station.

Keep the FM subchannels, throw out the rest.
--


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

RH - Good evaluation of "HD" Radio -and- Yes the
2nd Subchannel is a good feature of FM "HD" Radio
Most just have more 'copy-cat' Music Programming
while one of the CAL Central Valley "HD" FM Radio
Stations is a Rocker on HD-1 with Pop-Classical
Music on their HD-2 now that is an interesting
contrast. ~ RHF
.
.
. .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The broadcast bands are already jammed with more than enough radio
stations - HD multicasting is a farce.

Yes. Day time I now have a band full of HD hash between local channels.
What an improvement.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Jul 27, 7:12 am, wrote:
On Jul 27, 6:55 am, RHF wrote:





On Jul 27, 3:25 am, wrote:

On Jul 27, 5:11 am, RHF wrote:

On Jul 27, 12:39 am, Tester wrote:

It seems to be the case that free ads for HD radio on many stations
are going to end with the new yeard and HD seems to be nothing much
more than a money pit no matter how much it is promoted.

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/hd-radio-market.html

Tester,

When the FCC and the Radio Industry can get
US Auto-Makers to make HD Radios 'standard'
Equipment in all new Cars - Then "HD" Radio will
be 'accepted' by the Radio Listening Public.

When the FCC "Mandates" that all new 'imported'
AM/FM Radios are "HD" Radios - Then "HD" Radio
will be 'adapted' by the Radio Listening Public.

Otherwise the 'acceptance' and 'adaption' of HD
Radio will take 5-15 Years like FM Radio did
-and- HD Radio has only been around for about
2-3 Years so only time will tell . . . ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Tester,

Standard HD Radio will never happen, as the Big 3 have rejected HD
Radio (it would cost them $600 million anually to install HD Radio, so
it isn't going to happen) and Satellite Radio and iPod jacks are
taking over in-dash::

"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"The radios are estimated to cost about $45 each to install, or each
of the three carmakers about $150 million to $200 million annually,
automotive industry sources said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...7?pageNumber=1

"XM vs. Sirius: Tale of the Transmitters"

"If you're buying a new car, there's a good chance you can have
satellite radio factory- or dealer-installed, and get a few months of
service free to boot. Honda, Acura and GM (including Chevy, Cadillac
and other brands) offer XM in many new models. Daimler Chrysler, BMW
and Ford (Volvo, Mazda, Jaguar) offer Sirius. Nissan and Volkswagen
offer both."

http://www.time.com/time/techtime/200404/sat-radio.html

"iPod Compatible Cars"

"More auto makers are discovering that iPod compatiblity can help
close a sale. Here's a list that won't break the bank when you sign on
the dotted line."

http://www.digitalmania-online.com/i...ible-Cars.html

Also, there will never be HD Radio mandates by the FCC, as a mandatory
switch to digital will never happen. The FCC has left it up to the
marketplace/consumers to determine the fate of HD Radio:

"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm

RHF is just another IBOC shill, as was the ghost of Eduardo who has
given up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

IBOC IS A CRAZY IDEA

The Anti-Shill {IBOC Slayer} ~ RHF
.
.
. .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's me - aka. PocketRadio, 700WLW, analogAMforever, IBOCcrock,
etc...

http://tinyurl.com/2laka7http://hdra....blogspot.com/

Think how much damage that I have done !

Ha ! Ha !- Hide quoted text -

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IBOC... You are a Legend in your own Crazy Mind ~ RHF

In article . com,
RHF wrote:

On Jul 27, 2:31 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
Ron Hardin wrote:





I liked the AM-on-FM-subchannel feature, which allowed me to hear
a so-called local Imus affiliate finally. I see no point in
additional FM channels for music though. It's the same junk as
the regular FM.

And of course Imus is gone now, so that edge is gone.

AM HD radio is annoying even when it works ; like vinyl records,
AM has a pleasing sound on its own, and this just destroys that
slight advantage. In addition, it drops in and out of HD when
a thunderstorm goes through, which is beyond annoying and you have
to search for a station carrying the same program without HD.

Then there's the HD hash, but that's been discussed to death. I'm
just talking now about HD when you're listening to the HD station.

Keep the FM subchannels, throw out the rest.

HD and DRM may be different technically but share commonalities in how
they degrade in less than perfect conditions. Both systems do not have
enough margin built in to make them an actual improvement over analog.
The almost endless BS by some posters and economic interests has been
hard to take. These systems do not use enough bandwidth to actually have
improved sound. These systems do not have enough redundancy to have
adequate weak signal or interference protection. HD and DRM sound
quality and reliability just plain suck.

I posted this years ago that these systems do not fit the medium in that
they do not transfer information in a more reliable manner that analog.
There is no improvement using HD or DRM over analog as a result.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Telamon,

Are you comments directed specifically at the
AM/MW Band and the Shortwave Bands ? ?

Yes.

It would seem that FM "HD" Radio using IBOC
does work better than Analog and offer some
improvements in sound quality plus the 2nd
Subchannel can be used effectively.

Nope.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Pete KE9OA wrote:

WTMJ 620kHz Milwaukee discontinued their IBOC transmission about two weeks
ago. Good news!

Die QRM die!. Meanwhile, I've got the Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus
playing...

On Jul 27, 7:36?pm, RHF wrote:
On Jul 27, 2:31 pm, Telamon





wrote:
In article ,
Ron Hardin wrote:

I liked the AM-on-FM-subchannel feature, which allowed me to hear
a so-called local Imus affiliate finally. I see no point in
additional FM channels for music though. It's the same junk as
the regular FM.

And of course Imus is gone now, so that edge is gone.

AMHD radiois annoying even when it works ; like vinyl records,
AM has a pleasing sound on its own, and this just destroys that
slight advantage. In addition, it drops in and out of HD when
a thunderstorm goes through, which is beyond annoying and you have
to search for a station carrying the same program without HD.

Then there's the HD hash, but that's been discussed to death. I'm
just talking now about HD when you're listening to the HD station.

Keep the FM subchannels, throw out the rest.

HD and DRM may be different technically but share commonalities in how
they degrade in less than perfect conditions. Both systems do not have
enough margin built in to make them an actual improvement over analog.
The almost endless BS by some posters and economic interests has been
hard to take. These systems do not use enough bandwidth to actually have
improved sound. These systems do not have enough redundancy to have
adequate weak signal or interference protection. HD and DRM sound
quality and reliability just plain suck.

I posted this years ago that these systems do not fit the medium in that
they do not transfer information in a more reliable manner that analog.
There is no improvement using HD or DRM over analog as a result.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Telamon,

Are you comments directed specifically at the
AM/MW Band and the Shortwave Bands ? ?

It would seem that FM "HD" Radiousing IBOC
does work better than Analog and offer some
improvements in sound quality plus the 2nd
Subchannel can be used effectively.

~ RHF
.
.
. .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"HD Radio Marketing: Change is Coming"

"The date is no surprise. It was a 2-year deal. It ends in January.I
agree it's time to re-assess. The problem with the licensing plan is
two very different groups with different agendas pay the fee. Which is
why neither is happy. Broadcasters pay for the encoder, and they're
not happy with the radios, and electronics manufacturers pay for the
decoder, and they're not happy with anything. They see no demand, and
therefore, no return on their investment.I think the best bet is for
everyone to walk away at the end of this deal, and leave iBiquity to
think about what went wrong."

"Maybe the date is no surprise to you, George. But the lack of renewal
of that deal for a later date might be a surprise to some."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/hd-radi....html#comments

"HD Radio - what's the holdup?"

"The way I see it, there are at least two very large barriers standing
in the way... The lack of subsidies, however, has really made it
difficult for iBiquity to move things along. Moreover, the slow
adoption rate has kept the company's operating expense burn rate high,
which has in turn delayed investors' payoff. If the burn rate is high
enough and the rate of adoption is slow enough, well, let's just say
that's not a good thing."

http://www.news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9750405-7.html

"Finally, A Good Use for HD Radio"

"That's why I was happy to hear that even the folks at iBiquity are
looking at other options. They have to."

http://www.insidemusicmedia.blogspot...-hd-radio.html

Oh well - Ha! Ha!