D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:

Guns have no place in a civilized society.

Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street
corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create
fear and hysteria by distorting the facts.

And yet,.....

Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the
cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to
create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained
in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of
firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and
present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes
out of their mouths is often not the truth.

But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of
anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of
distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect.

There is no place in a civilized society for such persons.

How many
more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation
finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!!

It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a
statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every
home are the first to scream about banning firearms.

Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early
enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The
reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the
fire department is in route.

And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be
unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time?

That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every
home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd
be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold
off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute.

Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event
breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of
the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and
focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only
real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest
moments possible.

Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is
the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions.

And sadly, nationwide, school shootings.

AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B
70' and 200' wires along with the Eavesdropper dipole
221 Countries verified and 237 heard using the NASWA Country List

I love, and have met, Marianne Faithfull, I also howl at the morning rain...

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:
Guns have no place in a civilized society.
Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street
corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create
fear and hysteria by distorting the facts.

And yet,.....

Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the
cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to
create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained
in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of
firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and
present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes
out of their mouths is often not the truth.

But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of
anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of
distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect.

There is no place in a civilized society for such persons.

How many
more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation
finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!!
It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a
statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every
home are the first to scream about banning firearms.

Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early
enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The
reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the
fire department is in route.

And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be
unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time?

That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every
home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd
be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold
off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute.

Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event
breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of
the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and
focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only
real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest
moments possible.

Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is
the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions.

And sadly, nationwide, school shootings.

AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented.


I"m partial to Walthers, myself.




dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B
70' and 200' wires along with the Eavesdropper dipole
221 Countries verified and 237 heard using the NASWA Country List

I love, and have met, Marianne Faithfull, I also howl at the morning rain...

I used to get over to a blood donation place across the park on Robinson
Road.There was a black woman there, Deborah, from Bourbannais,Illinois,
near Kankakee.She was married, had five kids, her hubby was in the
U.S.Army) My arm blood veines are impossible to see.But, Deborah always
stuck my right arm just right.I love that woman.
cuhulin

I emailed told that married Irish woman in Bognor Regis,England she
better say sompin to me or I am going to get that little Hannah girl in
Bognor Regis to step over there and kick her butt.I reckon I need to
hunt up some more Maybelline On The Rocks eye liner pencils and snail
mail them to that woman.Anything to keep the peace.
cuhulin

Metinks I almost see my old barracks in that Tan Son Nhut South [South
is always best] I gotta get out of this World.
I am goin back to the Wagon folks, these Boots are hurtin me.
cuhulin

Tree minutes and ten seconds, Out of this World.I needs to go to my
WevTV female user name thangy and look that hottie teenage gal over some
more.Don't blame it on me.
cuhulin

Zeke Zzzppt wrote:


So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government
fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with
access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the
Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this
gut feeling". :-(


Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of
a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a
'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's
served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a
suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's
ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and
confiscation of contraband.

The hard reality is that gut feelings can be inaccurate. They can
also be abused, like anything else. But they develop as a result of
front line experience and are right more often than not. To disparage a
gut feeling in this circumstance and require compelling dispositive
proof before taking action is precisely how 9/11 came to happen. It's
precisely how the Cole grew the hole in her hull. It's precisely how
party goers died in a disco in Germany. Had more gut feelings been
followed, the heightened state of vigilance would have prevented
engagement in this instances by permitting more proactive defensive
postures.

Give me a Marine with a gut feeling over a so-called scientific
approach any day. ANY DAY.

In other words, I'll walk into a hot zone with a Marine at my side
before I'd walk into a public school with you.


It's real easy to armchair quarterback the guy sitting in the big
chair. And it's real easy to criticize someone charged with
responsibility based on your politics and his colloquial speech. But
I've noticed your criticism does not come accompanied with an
alternative practical solution other than "Impeach Bush."

Forgive me for saying this, but paper tigers are made of these.

My gawd Cuhulin... you do have some brain cells that still work. You made
sense. Wow!

wrote in message
...

Guns don't kill, people do.Outlaw people!
cuhulin

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:

Guns have no place in a civilized society.

Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street
corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create
fear and hysteria by distorting the facts.

And yet,.....

Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the
cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to
create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained
in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of
firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and
present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes
out of their mouths is often not the truth.

But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of
anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of
distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect.

There is no place in a civilized society for such persons.

How many
more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation
finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!!

It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a
statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every
home are the first to scream about banning firearms.

Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early
enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The
reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the
fire department is in route.

And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be
unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time?

That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every
home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd
be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold
off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute.

Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event
breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of
the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and
focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only
real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest
moments possible.

Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is
the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions.

And sadly, nationwide, school shootings.

AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented.

I'll stick with the Garand I purchased from the DCM program (now CMP). I
had to put a but pad on it so I would not get bruised firing it. .30-06
is one mean round.

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm

.30-06 is one mean round. The M1 is one awesome rifle.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:
Guns have no place in a civilized society.
Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street
corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create
fear and hysteria by distorting the facts.

And yet,.....

Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the
cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to
create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained
in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of
firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and
present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes
out of their mouths is often not the truth.

But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of
anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of
distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect.

There is no place in a civilized society for such persons.

How many
more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation
finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!!
It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a
statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every
home are the first to scream about banning firearms.

Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early
enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The
reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the
fire department is in route.

And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be
unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time?

That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every
home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd
be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold
off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute.

Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event
breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of
the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and
focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only
real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest
moments possible.

Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is
the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions.

And sadly, nationwide, school shootings.

AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented.


I"m partial to Walthers, myself.

I like Para Ordance myself.
http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html

Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on
the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California