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On Aug 21, 1:52 pm, dxAce wrote:
wrote:
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Due to come home this morning.I think the lady at NASA said 11:32 AM
Central Standard Time.
I will be watching the NASA channel, 376 on DirecTV.
cuhulin

How exciting! Are the astronauts sober? Did the love birds all get
along this trip? With Casanova astronauts, love triangles, diapers and
kidnappings and all it's a wonder they have time to be "heroes". I
guess since computers do all the important tasks that leaves the
"heroes" with plenty of free time.

What a colossal waste of taxpayers money. The make jobs operation
called NASA should have been defunded decades ago. If the egg head
PhD.'s want to play space cadets they should do it at their own
expense or by private enterprise. Instead, hard working average
Americans are forced to pay for it.

I guess you have to give credit to the NASA public relations machine
though. They've managed to perpetuate the con game for over 40 years
now in spite of the glaring incompetence of the agency.

Oooooo!!! Weeeee! More pictures of rocks and dust Mildred!!! WOW!!! I
AM SO PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

You are free to return to the former Soviet Union at any time, 'tard boy.

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes I must be "one of them thar commie terrorists"! You are such a
senile yokel I'm surprised anyone even responds to you anymore. Hope
you incontinence problem continues to plague you. By the way, Wal-Mart
has adult diapers on sale this week, you best run down and stock up.

Hope you took advantage of the sale, 'tard boy! I'm guessing you spend quite a bit
of time in that aisle.

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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:14:48 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:36:02 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:10:19 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
wrote:
Due to come home this morning.I think the lady at NASA said 11:32 AM
Central Standard Time.
I will be watching the NASA channel, 376 on DirecTV.
cuhulin
How exciting! Are the astronauts sober? Did the love birds all get
along this trip? With Casanova astronauts, love triangles, diapers and
kidnappings and all it's a wonder they have time to be "heroes". I
guess since computers do all the important tasks that leaves the
"heroes" with plenty of free time.

What a colossal waste of taxpayers money. The make jobs operation
called NASA should have been defunded decades ago. If the egg head
PhD.'s want to play space cadets they should do it at their own
expense or by private enterprise. Instead, hard working average
Americans are forced to pay for it.

I guess you have to give credit to the NASA public relations machine
though. They've managed to perpetuate the con game for over 40 years
now in spite of the glaring incompetence of the agency.

Oooooo!!! Weeeee! More pictures of rocks and dust Mildred!!! WOW!!! I
AM SO PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

Ironic, that the very technology that permits you to publish
worldwide this diatribe about NASA....is a by-product of the space program.


but not the shuttle program which is flat out failure according to the
original specs for the machine
Care to elaborate on that claim?
the shuttle was suposed to be able to capture and repair GEO orbit
sat's for one thing

And has.

nope it has not it can't get near a GEO orbit sat only LEO



I'm not sure I agree there, having watched one sat retrieval and
repair mission while at NASA, itself. But if you're right, then in that
case, give it time. One of the reasons for the space station in to serve
as a base for deeper space missions.

I'm amazed at the ever increasing impatience of today's citizen,
expecting instant and immediate on target results without error, and
without question.

Space exploration is as uncertain as medicine. The technology often
has to be created in order to make new thrusts. Sometimes that's years
in development, with often hundreds of balks before a qualified success.

To simply declare a program as a failure because it hasn't met
architects specifications, especially after some rather spectacular
setbacks, delays, and one very long hiatus, is the kind of unmititaged
bilge that expects war to run on schedule, without misstep and without
setback.

It's the kind of crap that sees a father at Little League dress
down an 8 year old for not hitting on the first attempt. Or a mother
sniping at her 15 year old daughter for not being asked to a Jr High dance.

Things take time to learn. Processes take time to develop. And
successes are cumulative and incremental. And this applies not only to
the space shuttle, but to life in general.

Anything set before the shuttle program by its architects will be
accomplished. Not without setback. Not without misstep. Not without
delays as new technologies are created to overcome obstacles. Expected
and otherwise.

Long vision.





"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/

G

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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:14:18 GMT, D Peter Maus
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On Aug 21, 2:10 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
Ironic, that the very technology that permits you to publish
worldwide this diatribe about NASA....is a by-product of the space program.- Hide quoted text -

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Bull****. The internet would have, and did, evolve with or without the
existence of NASA. It's not surprising that their PR Dept. tries to
lay claim to makiing it all possible - a typical bureaucratic self
congratulatory agrandizement tactic while trying to justify its
existence. Raison d'être!


Take a step back. I'm not talking about the internet. But the
electronics that drives it. THAT is a by-product of the Space Program.
step back yourself what would not have been developed without the
space program I am all for space exploration but NASA has been an
increasing **** up since aApollo



And how and what would YOU have done differently?




"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/

G

On Aug 21, 3:14 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 21, 2:10 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
Ironic, that the very technology that permits you to publish
worldwide this diatribe about NASA....is a by-product of the space program.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. The internet would have, and did, evolve with or without the
existence of NASA. It's not surprising that their PR Dept. tries to
lay claim to makiing it all possible - a typical bureaucratic self
congratulatory agrandizement tactic while trying to justify its
existence. Raison d'être!

Take a step back. I'm not talking about the internet. But the
electronics that drives it. THAT is a by-product of the Space Program.

Still bull****. The electronic technology that drives the internet
would have evolved with or without the existence of NASA - llkely
decades sooner had private enterprise and market forces been involved.
You employed by the NASA public relations juggernaut per chance?

dxAce wrote:

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.

wrote:

By the way, did you lose some of your welfare (AKA "social security")

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), but broadly speaking,
"Social Security" is returning OUR money that WE had to pay into the
system for our entire working careers. Getting our own money back can
hardly be construed as "welfare".

wrote:

Did they [Huntington] put a gun to your head and make you give them your money? Be
a man and stop whining, complaining and blaming others for your own
inadequacies.

Now don't be too hard on Steve...he's a finance guy who tells
us about his Accounting/ Bookkeeping degree. If Huntington can do this
to a big-time finance guy with a financial degree like Steve, there's no
telling what these Huntington guys can do to us poor slobs that aren't
as financially astute as Steve.

Steve, thanks for the "heads-up".

Zeke Zzzppt wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.

wrote:

By the way, did you lose some of your welfare (AKA "social security")

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), but broadly speaking,
"Social Security" is returning OUR money that WE had to pay into the
system for our entire working careers. Getting our own money back can
hardly be construed as "welfare".

wrote:

Did they [Huntington] put a gun to your head and make you give them your money? Be
a man and stop whining, complaining and blaming others for your own
inadequacies.

Now don't be too hard on Steve...he's a finance guy who tells
us about his Accounting/ Bookkeeping degree. If Huntington can do this
to a big-time finance guy with a financial degree like Steve, there's no
telling what these Huntington guys can do to us poor slobs that aren't
as financially astute as Steve.

Steve, thanks for the "heads-up".

No problem.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.

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On Aug 21, 3:14 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 21, 2:10 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
Ironic, that the very technology that permits you to publish
worldwide this diatribe about NASA....is a by-product of the space program.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bull****. The internet would have, and did, evolve with or without the
existence of NASA. It's not surprising that their PR Dept. tries to
lay claim to makiing it all possible - a typical bureaucratic self
congratulatory agrandizement tactic while trying to justify its
existence. Raison d'être!
Take a step back. I'm not talking about the internet. But the
electronics that drives it. THAT is a by-product of the Space Program.

Still bull****. The electronic technology that drives the internet
would have evolved with or without the existence of NASA - llkely
decades sooner had private enterprise and market forces been involved.


Actually, probably not. Without the mission critical pressures, to
create and develop new technolgies, the rate at which the electronics
would have developed through market forces would have been decades longer.

The transistor was invented in 1947. It took nearly a decade before
it was incorporated into a product because market forces are also
possessed of considerable inertia. And then it was trivial applications
like transistor radios. Production was slow, and rejection and failure
rates were high.

However, with mission critical pressures of the space program,
techniques needed to be developed to produce large scale miniaturized
electronics working at frequencies not even considered in terrestrial
applications. Which led to microwave technological innovations on a
grand scale. Driven by lower cost, higher volume, reliable production of
solid state devices, and rapid development of miniaturized computer
driven hardware.

Fuel cell technology had been known since WWII, but had never had a
real application. Practical results in the space program have given us
real world workable fuel cell technologies.

Battery technology developed by orders of magnitude through the space
program.

And medical knowledge has expanded more than a thousand fold through
the space program.

So, though technologies may have developed through commercial
channels, they didn't. They developed through NASA, and the space
program and its allied industries, without the participation of which,
they would likely have developed at a dramatically slower rate, or not
at all.


You employed by the NASA public relations juggernaut per chance?


No. I'm not now, nor have I ever been employed by or for NASA.

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:37:12 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:14:48 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:36:02 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:10:19 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
wrote:
Due to come home this morning.I think the lady at NASA said 11:32 AM
Central Standard Time.
I will be watching the NASA channel, 376 on DirecTV.
cuhulin
How exciting! Are the astronauts sober? Did the love birds all get
along this trip? With Casanova astronauts, love triangles, diapers and
kidnappings and all it's a wonder they have time to be "heroes". I
guess since computers do all the important tasks that leaves the
"heroes" with plenty of free time.

What a colossal waste of taxpayers money. The make jobs operation
called NASA should have been defunded decades ago. If the egg head
PhD.'s want to play space cadets they should do it at their own
expense or by private enterprise. Instead, hard working average
Americans are forced to pay for it.

I guess you have to give credit to the NASA public relations machine
though. They've managed to perpetuate the con game for over 40 years
now in spite of the glaring incompetence of the agency.

Oooooo!!! Weeeee! More pictures of rocks and dust Mildred!!! WOW!!! I
AM SO PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

Ironic, that the very technology that permits you to publish
worldwide this diatribe about NASA....is a by-product of the space program.


but not the shuttle program which is flat out failure according to the
original specs for the machine
Care to elaborate on that claim?
the shuttle was suposed to be able to capture and repair GEO orbit
sat's for one thing
And has.
nope it has not it can't get near a GEO orbit sat only LEO


I'm not sure I agree there, having watched one sat retrieval and
repair mission while at NASA, itself. But if you're right, then in that
case, give it time. One of the reasons for the space station in to serve
as a base for deeper space missions.

it is a matter of record that th e shuttle can't get up to the geo
orbits it has retreived one maybe 2 LEO sat
I'm amazed at the ever increasing impatience of today's citizen,
expecting instant and immediate on target results without error, and
without question.

the shuttle was first launched in the 80 and still does not prefrom to
spec

what did NASA do? they cahnged the spec, and declared victory
Space exploration is as uncertain as medicine. The technology often
has to be created in order to make new thrusts. Sometimes that's years
in development, with often hundreds of balks before a qualified success.

To simply declare a program as a failure because it hasn't met
architects specifications, especially after some rather spectacular
setbacks, delays, and one very long hiatus, is the kind of unmititaged
bilge that expects war to run on schedule, without misstep and without
setback.

it can't do the tasks we built it for it is just that simple I am glad
they have things it can do but it isn't what we paid for


It is. It's just not reached its full potential, yet. For the reasons
I've stated.



and nothing is realy on the drawing board to replace it either


Because it's not ready to be replaced.

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:39:25 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:14:18 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

wrote:
On Aug 21, 2:10 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
Ironic, that the very technology that permits you to publish
worldwide this diatribe about NASA....is a by-product of the space program.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Bull****. The internet would have, and did, evolve with or without the
existence of NASA. It's not surprising that their PR Dept. tries to
lay claim to makiing it all possible - a typical bureaucratic self
congratulatory agrandizement tactic while trying to justify its
existence. Raison d'être!

Take a step back. I'm not talking about the internet. But the
electronics that drives it. THAT is a by-product of the Space Program.
step back yourself what would not have been developed without the
space program I am all for space exploration but NASA has been an
increasing **** up since aApollo


And how and what would YOU have done differently?

rejected the shuttle and built a beter vechile

begun to lay the foundation of comercail use of space

return to the moon with perminat settlement
complete with mass drivers to allow cheap use of lunar resources in
space and here on earth

complete the R@D on the Sacoorv drive and begin serious interplanetary
stuff as well interstellar

lay real foundations for the long range survival of mankind though
deep space exploration



I"m sure, then, you're in contact with NASA about these goals, and
have begun to develop the strategies to implement them?





tell the truth about mistakes mades and be in John glen "honest
forthright and Magnanous " about our failures and proud when suceed

"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/

G

Looks like the Space Shuttles will be retired in a few years.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6357772

Some new American Rockets that will replace the Space Shuttles are being
tested at Stennis Space Center.
The Space Shuttle's Rocket Engines are tested at Stennis Space Center
before they go into orbit. www.devilfinder.com Stennis Space Center
cuhulin