Michael Black wrote:

RHF ) writes:

snip

Usenet or Google this Newsgroup is Rec.Radio.Shortwave
and is about Shortwave Radio -not- "nice set of BIG T I T S"


No, once again it's not about "shortwave radio". It's about
DXing, and that includes reception on the FM broadcast band
and the AM broadcast band, and listening to amateur radio (but
it stops there, since there is a whole hierarchy for amateur
radio), and listening to scanners (with the caveat that it's less on
topic since there is a whole hierarchy for that).


Astonishingly, I cannot find the charter for rec.radio.shortwave
on the web or in google groups archives; I direct your attention
instead to this FAQ entry:

From: (Ralph Brandi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave, rec.radio.info
Subject: Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave
Date: 28 Jun 1996 00:09:38 GMT
Message-ID:
Reply-To: (Ralph Brandi)
Summary: Newsgroup charter and history, with pointers to
more specific FAQ articles.
This article is posted monthly.

Posted-By: auto-faq 3.1.1.2
Archive-name: radio/monitoring/introduction

[Last modified: June 30, 1995]

By Ralph Brandi,


Welcome to the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup. This group was created late in
1989 after a suggestion by Richard Shapiro, in order for those of us who are
interested in the hobby of monitoring radio communications to have a friendly
place to exchange messages, tips, and opinions. If you are interested in this
sort of hobby, then we think that you will be at home here.

This is a set of monthly postings put together to answer some of the more
commonly asked basic questions about the hobby. There is a posting explaining
some of the basics of shortwave (HF) radio, and one covering medium wave (also
known as AM) and FM DXing. There is also one covering scanning the higher
frequencies (VHF and up) that appears in the newsgroup rec.radio.scanner. If
you find that you have other questions, either following up items mentioned
here, or other questions, please post. There are a number of people here with
varying degrees of expertise and experience who are more than willing to help.
We hope we've anticipated many of the questions the beginner will have. And
so, without further ado....


o What is rec.radio.shortwave for?

As stated above this group was created for USENETers to have a place to discuss
the radio monitoring hobby. This group is not moderated, however 'serious'
arguments and any kind of flame wars are strongly discouraged. That is not to
say that genuine disagreement and discussion of differing opinions is not
welcome. We only ask that you keep the tone friendly, and in the spirit of
international cooperation upon which the hobby is founded.

This group is intended to be a place where ANY radio monitoring topic can and
should be discussed. We are happy to hear from posters who listen to any part
of the radio or microwave spectrum, from DC to daylight. We discuss topics of
almost any kind, ranging from (but not limited to) shortwave broadcasting,
DXing small or distant shortwave stations, utility and teletype monitoring,
military eavesdropping, station schedules, QSLing sw broadcasters, spectrum
usage, equipment design and modifications, antennas, receiver reviews and
recommendations, and many more.

Despite what the newsgroup name might imply, we definitely DO NOT limit
discussions to shortwave only. Any radio-related topics are welcome.
People interested in scanning VHF frequencies may find that the
rec.radio.scanner newsgroup more accurately reflects their interests, and
people interested in pirate radio may want to check the alt.radio.pirate
newsgroup, although this group seems to be more interested in building small
FM transmitters than in hearing distant shortwave pirates.


For more in-depth answers to questions you may have, we direct your attention
to the postings entitled "Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (Shortwave)", and
"Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (AM/FM DXing)", depending on where your
interests lie. Scanner enthusiasts are also encouraged to read Bob Parnass'
excellent monthly FAQ postings on rec.radio.scanner.

FAQ, of course, stands for Frequently Asked Questions. It is considered
good form to read the FAQ(s) for a newsgroup before posting to ensure
that ones posting is appropriate. You can find FAQs for most newsgroups at
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/ by anonymous ftp, or on WWW at
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypert.../FAQ-List.html . Look
under the following URL for a list of all radio-related FAQs.

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypert...radio/top.html

P.S. For those of you without the patience to look in the appropriate
place, the BBC World Service can be reached by e-mail at
. This has become probably the single
most frequently requested piece of information on rec.radio.shortwave.

--
Ralph Brandi att!mtunp!ralph

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Regards,

Michael

On Sep 7, 9:47 pm, msg wrote:
Michael Black wrote:
RHF ) writes:

snip

Usenet or Google this Newsgroup is Rec.Radio.Shortwave
and is about Shortwave Radio -not- "nice set of BIG T I T S"

No, once again it's not about "shortwave radio". It's about
DXing, and that includes reception on the FM broadcast band
and the AM broadcast band, and listening to amateur radio (but
it stops there, since there is a whole hierarchy for amateur
radio), and listening to scanners (with the caveat that it's less on
topic since there is a whole hierarchy for that).

Astonishingly, I cannot find the charter for rec.radio.shortwave
on the web or in google groups archives; I direct your attention
instead to this FAQ entry:

From: (Ralph Brandi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave, rec.radio.info
Subject: Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave
Date: 28 Jun 1996 00:09:38 GMT
Message-ID:
Reply-To: (Ralph Brandi)
Summary: Newsgroup charter and history, with pointers to
more specific FAQ articles.
This article is posted monthly.

Posted-By: auto-faq 3.1.1.2
Archive-name: radio/monitoring/introduction

[Last modified: June 30, 1995]

By Ralph Brandi,

Welcome to the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup. This group was created late in
1989 after a suggestion by Richard Shapiro, in order for those of us who are
interested in the hobby of monitoring radio communications to have a friendly
place to exchange messages, tips, and opinions. If you are interested in this
sort of hobby, then we think that you will be at home here.

This is a set of monthly postings put together to answer some of the more
commonly asked basic questions about the hobby. There is a posting explaining
some of the basics of shortwave (HF) radio, and one covering medium wave (also
known as AM) and FM DXing. There is also one covering scanning the higher
frequencies (VHF and up) that appears in the newsgroup rec.radio.scanner. If
you find that you have other questions, either following up items mentioned
here, or other questions, please post. There are a number of people here with
varying degrees of expertise and experience who are more than willing to help.
We hope we've anticipated many of the questions the beginner will have. And
so, without further ado....

o What is rec.radio.shortwave for?

As stated above this group was created for USENETers to have a place to discuss
the radio monitoring hobby. This group is not moderated, however 'serious'
arguments and any kind of flame wars are strongly discouraged. That is not to
say that genuine disagreement and discussion of differing opinions is not
welcome. We only ask that you keep the tone friendly, and in the spirit of
international cooperation upon which the hobby is founded.

This group is intended to be a place where ANY radio monitoring topic can and
should be discussed. We are happy to hear from posters who listen to any part
of the radio or microwave spectrum, from DC to daylight. We discuss topics of
almost any kind, ranging from (but not limited to) shortwave broadcasting,
DXing small or distant shortwave stations, utility and teletype monitoring,
military eavesdropping, station schedules, QSLing sw broadcasters, spectrum
usage, equipment design and modifications, antennas, receiver reviews and
recommendations, and many more.

Despite what the newsgroup name might imply, we definitely DO NOT limit
discussions to shortwave only. Any radio-related topics are welcome.
People interested in scanning VHF frequencies may find that the
rec.radio.scanner newsgroup more accurately reflects their interests, and
people interested in pirate radio may want to check the alt.radio.pirate
newsgroup, although this group seems to be more interested in building small
FM transmitters than in hearing distant shortwave pirates.

For more in-depth answers to questions you may have, we direct your attention
to the postings entitled "Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (Shortwave)", and
"Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (AM/FM DXing)", depending on where your
interests lie. Scanner enthusiasts are also encouraged to read Bob Parnass'
excellent monthly FAQ postings on rec.radio.scanner.

FAQ, of course, stands for Frequently Asked Questions. It is considered
good form to read the FAQ(s) for a newsgroup before posting to ensure
that ones posting is appropriate. You can find FAQs for most newsgroups atftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/by anonymous ftp, or on WWW athttp://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/FAQ-List.html. Look
under the following URL for a list of all radio-related FAQs.

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypert...radio/top.html

P.S. For those of you without the patience to look in the appropriate
place, the BBC World Service can be reached by e-mail at
. This has become probably the single
most frequently requested piece of information on rec.radio.shortwave.

--
Ralph Brandi att!mtunp!ralph

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----

Regards,

Michael

MSG,

Written in good old English -ipso-facto- English It Is [.]

Why even the name Rec.Radio.Shortwave is in English

It Ain't Dutch : Rec. Radio. Korte Golf

It Ain't French : Rec. Radio. Onde Courte

It Ain't Greek : REC. .

It Ain't Português : Onda Curta de Rádio de Rec

It Ain't Russian : Rec Radio

It Is English : Rec.Radio.Shortwave

As It Is Written - So Shall It Be ~ RHF
.

msg ) writes:
Michael Black wrote:

RHF ) writes:

snip

Usenet or Google this Newsgroup is Rec.Radio.Shortwave
and is about Shortwave Radio -not- "nice set of BIG T I T S"


No, once again it's not about "shortwave radio". It's about
DXing, and that includes reception on the FM broadcast band
and the AM broadcast band, and listening to amateur radio (but
it stops there, since there is a whole hierarchy for amateur
radio), and listening to scanners (with the caveat that it's less on
topic since there is a whole hierarchy for that).


Astonishingly, I cannot find the charter for rec.radio.shortwave
on the web or in google groups archives; I direct your attention
instead to this FAQ entry:


And the joke is that this was all hashed out in 2003, when "RHF"
felt it was acceptable to have forsale ads here, and used google's
fine print to legitimize his point.

And back then, I took him to task for his google-centric view and
yet he continues with it to this day.

In that thread back then, I even dug up old posts that discussed
this potential newsgroup before it was created.

"RHF" himself has posted it, yet seems to have missed the point.
It's hard to tell if he's taking the name of the newsgroup literally,
or selectively declaring some threads off topic because he's decided
it is.

I've posted something over the years, though I can't remember whether
it was before that 2003 thread, or even if it was the intro or
something else.

Even when I was a kid, "SWLing" was a pretty vague term, something you
sort of knew the meaning of (if you were interested in the topic) yet
not so easy to define.

Look in the magazines from decades ago, and you'd see that tuneable
police band monitor on top of that shortwave radio, or there'd be a
caption such as "He listens to the shortwave bands with his HQ-180, but
he's most interested in FM DXing".

"Communications World" would have the White's Radio Log in the back,
but would one issue (it was either came out 2 or 4 times a year) would
focus on shortwave broadcast, another on "Police Band Monitoring", and
another would be about AM broadcast band DXing, and so on, until it
had covered the various areas that "SWLing" tended to vaguely define,
and then it would repeat.

There was overlap because that's what it was about.

Michael

In article ,
msg wrote:

Michael Black wrote:

RHF ) writes:

snip

Usenet or Google this Newsgroup is Rec.Radio.Shortwave
and is about Shortwave Radio -not- "nice set of BIG T I T S"


No, once again it's not about "shortwave radio". It's about
DXing, and that includes reception on the FM broadcast band
and the AM broadcast band, and listening to amateur radio (but
it stops there, since there is a whole hierarchy for amateur
radio), and listening to scanners (with the caveat that it's less on
topic since there is a whole hierarchy for that).


Astonishingly, I cannot find the charter for rec.radio.shortwave
on the web or in google groups archives; I direct your attention
instead to this FAQ entry:

Snip

Here you go:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.radio.shortwave.html

--
Telamon
Ventura, California