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On Sep 13, 10:03 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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On Sep 13, 1:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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FWIW - Many Mexicanos Call Themselves "La Raza" {The Race}

In Spanish, the term "raza" is not quite identical to the English "race"
and
in Mexico generally means, using the closest English equivalents, either
"brotherhood" or "the people." "Raza" also means "breed" as in a variety
of
dog, horse, cow, etc.

- The "motto" you posted is not Mexican... it is Chicano.

- Chicanos are not Mexican.

d'Eduardo - There are some Chicanos and Mexicans
who would disagree with you.

Chicano, by definition, means a person of Mexican heritage born in the US...- Hide quoted text -

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Right. Mexican.

On Sep 13, 10:06 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

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Mexican is not a race, 'tardo. It's a nationality.

Gee, I wonder where all those "Viva la Raza" bumper stickers and T-shirts
came from.

And why would radio stations in Houston, LA, San Francisco and a number of
other markets call themselves "La Raza" if the term did not identify a
specific group of people...

And the National Council of La Raza, a major Hispanic advocacy group.
Explain that one.

"La Raza" might identify a group of people by virtue of something
other than the semantics of the term. In a moment of irony or as a
result of a simple error, I might succeed at referring to you as "the
well-intentioned contributor to rec.radio.shortwave" despite the fact
that you do not satisfy the description.

On Sep 14, 3:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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Face the Fact that there are 'some' Chicanos
and Mexicans who would disagree with you.

Again there are many Chicanos and Mexicans who use
both Etnic-Name-Tags when ever it suits them; to match
the social environment that they are in at the moment*.

I just called several people... those born in Mexico would never consider
themselves Chicanos... the term, to them, is demeaning. Those born here...
most reject the term as it is a zoot-suit stereotype. Very few pochos use it
any more, outside of the fringe and radical MEChA group, which has given the
term a bad name. Our news director in the stations' style guide, does not
allow the use of the term unless part of the name of an organization or in a
quote as he feels it is offensive to many and perceived as politically
incorrect.

In Mexico a Chicano is a person who calls a patio a "yarda" and a truck a
"troka" and who is not a "real" Mexican. Chicanos are parodied in the media
and by comedians.

Any why are you rambling on about this?

dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"RHF" wrote in message
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On Sep 13, 1:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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FWIW - Many Mexicanos Call Themselves "La Raza" {The Race}
In Spanish, the term "raza" is not quite identical to the English "race"
and
in Mexico generally means, using the closest English equivalents, either
"brotherhood" or "the people." "Raza" also means "breed" as in a variety
of
dog, horse, cow, etc.

- The "motto" you posted is not Mexican... it is Chicano.

- Chicanos are not Mexican.

d'Eduardo - There are some Chicanos and Mexicans
who would disagree with you.
Chicano, by definition, means a person of Mexican heritage born in the US...

So therefore, Chifako, by definition, means a person of fake Hispanic heritage
born in the US...

Or the Governor of Illinois.

David Eduardo wrote:

SNIP
The Oxford Dictionary of American English is generally considered to be the
most authoritative reference to contemporary language and usage there is.

Only of American style English!

--
M0WYM
www.radiowymsey.org

"charlie" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

SNIP
The Oxford Dictionary of American English is generally considered to be
the
most authoritative reference to contemporary language and usage there is.

Only of American style English!

And that is why I used it. I also have the British version and the
"International" version, mon.

On Sep 14, 5:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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On Sep 14, 12:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

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David, posing as the chifako 'Eduardo', wrote:

"charlie" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

SNIP
The Oxford Dictionary of American English is generally considered
to
be
the
most authoritative reference to contemporary language and usage
there
is.

Only of American style English!

And that is why I used it. I also have the British version and the
"International" version, mon.

So therefore, Chifako, by definition, means a person of fake Hispanic
heritage
born in the US...

- All Chicanos are born in the US.

d'Eduardo - Point-of-Fact : Not True - Think About It ! ~ RHF
.

A Chicano is, and only is, a born American of Mexican heritage.- Hide quoted text -

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d'Edaurdo here is what you wrote the first time :

"All Chicanos are born in the US."

Now you have revised it; and here is what you are writing now:

"A Chicano is, and only is, a born American of Mexican heritage."

There is a 'big' difference in the two statements.

~ RHF

On Sep 14, 8:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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A Chicano is, and only is, a born American of Mexican heritage.

Not according to my dictionaries. It refers to more than that.
1. A Mexican born person living in N. A.

In this case, the dictionary is wrong. Chicanos are definitely not Mexican
born. No Mexican born Hispanic is a Chicano/a.

2. A person of Mexican decent (born in the USA) living in N. A.
3. A person of about which issues of Mexican heritage living in N. A. is
spoken of in some way.

Since when did this definition become derogatory? The collage's in the
area used to have courses in Chicano studies and maybe still do as I
haven't checked.

Those who consider themselves Chicano do not mind being called as same and
self-identify that way. But to call, for example, a Tejano a "Chicano" might
be scoffed at or even be cause for resentment. Tejanos are also
born-in-the-USA descendents of Mexican immigrants. I surveyed about 20
born-here's in our promotion department who are here now prepping for our
September 16 concert event and none considered themselves to be Chicanos;
none knew any Chicanos. I asked what a Chicano was to them (all between 18
and about 26) and they said, in different ways, "an arrogant college kid who
wants to coast through school on their name." The oldest said, "those guys
in East LA in the suits that Cheech made fun of." All said being called a
Chicano would be considered as "fighting words."

And I asked one of our highest rated talk personalities (over 2 million
listeners in 12 major markets) who was born in Mexico and she said she would
not be offended by being called a Chicana, but would immediately clarify
that she was Mexican, born in Mexico and could not be a Chicana. This is
from Amalia Gonzalez of the Recuerdo Network who talks with listeners all
over the Southwest every day.

Chicano studies are related to the Mexican American experience in the US,
not the immigrant experience.

The MEChA group, The Aztlan Chicano Student Movement, in its manifest, wants
to establish the country of Aztlan in the Southwest, independent of the USA
and Mexico, because they believe they are not truly part of the US or of
Mexico, are not given full rights, and are discriminated against by
Americans for being Hispanic and by Mexicans for being American and not
speaking any / good Spanish and having abandoned Mexican culture.

Again, from the Oxford dictionary: Chicano n noun (feminine Chicana) (plural
Chicanos or Chicanas) chiefly United States a North American of Mexican
origin or descent.

And Encarta; Chi·ca·no (plural Chi·ca·nos) noun
Hispanic Mexican American man: a North American man or boy of Mexican
descent (sometimes offensive)

Chicano and Chicana refer only to Mexican Americans. They do not refer to
Mexican residents of Mexico. Historically, Chicano is a dialectal variant of
the Mexican Spanish word mexicano, "a Mexican," and Chicana is its feminine
form. Since opinions about these words can and do differ among the various
U.S. Mexican American communities, Mexican American is a preferred
substitute.

And Wikipedia Chicano (feminine Chicana) is another word for Mexican
American. While its meaning has changed over time and varies regionally, it
represents Mexican American ethnic identity and the accompanying
consciousness of Mexican American political struggle. The terms Chicano and
Chicana are used specifically by and regarding Americans of Mexican descent.

On Sep 15, 10:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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d'Eduardo - Point-of-Fact : Not True - Think About It ! ~ RHF
.

A Chicano is, and only is, a born American of Mexican heritage.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

d'Edaurdo here is what you wrote the first time :

"All Chicanos are born in the US."

Now you have revised it; and here is what you are writing now:

"A Chicano is, and only is, a born American of Mexican heritage."

There is a 'big' difference in the two statements.

All Chicanos are born in the US. A Chicano can not be born elsewhere. All
are born in the US of parents of Mexican heritage... in other words, a
Chicano is a Mexican American, but not all Mexican Americans consider
themselves Chicanos.- Hide quoted text -

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Some Chicanos work in sales, but not all salesmen are Chicanos.

Some Chicanos are young, but not all young people are Chicanos

Some Chicanos like to jog, but not all joggers are Chicanos.

Gosh Tardo, this sure is a fun game you've invented.

On Sep 15, 7:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

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d'Eduardo - Point-of-Fact : Not True - Think About It ! ~ RHF
.

A Chicano is, and only is, a born American of Mexican heritage.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

d'Edaurdo here is what you wrote the first time :

"All Chicanos are born in the US."

Now you have revised it; and here is what you are writing now:

"A Chicano is, and only is, a born American of Mexican heritage."

There is a 'big' difference in the two statements.

- All Chicanos are born in the US.

wrong, Wrong. WRONG !
* You are Speaking in Absolutes without Considering :
People + Places + Things {Jobs}

- A Chicano can not be born elsewhere.

wrong, Wrong. WRONG !
* Better Check Your Thinking Again.

- All are born in the US of parents of Mexican heritage...

Not Both - One Will Do -or- If your are raised by your
Mexican or Mexcan-American Grand-Parents.

- in other words, a Chicano is a Mexican American,

Good enough.

- but not all Mexican Americans consider themselves Chicanos.

That Is Very True.
* and Some Even Hate Their Own Heritage.
* * While a few 'others' Talk about "Those People"
-wrt- the current 12M Illegal Aliens from Mexico.