Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
 

On Sep 18, 4:39 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and
the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.

HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.

Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.

The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by
little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.

It's over.

jw

It's not over:

"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm

The end may be near:

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html

While, God I hope you're right, don't count onIBOCgoing away
anytime soon. There's been a LOT of money spent, and a huge effort put
into this technology. No one is going to let this go easily. And RADIO,
often being its own worst enemy, especially, will hang onto this until
there is nothing left.

By the time AM Stereo was implemented, it was nearly DOA. And yet, it
took nearly 20 years for it to go away. And, though, noone has that kind
of patience, today, you can expect AMIBOCto linger long after the AM
Band is dead, dead, dead.

RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its
problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water.

No one wants to see this horse**** go away more than I do, but as
you've witnessed here, radio people can be stubborn.- Hide quoted text -

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"RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its
problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water."

DAB is stalling in the UK, DAB has stalled in Canada. As consumers
continue to shunn HD Radio, and broadcasters realize that IBUZZ has
driven away a good-part of listeners, they will have to turn off
IBUZZ, at some point.

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
 

On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
and

That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on
advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a
radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from
Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations
to service local areas.

the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas



HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.

Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.

Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD
radios.



The FCC says - "let the market decide".

Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely
successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job
they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what
they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments.

The market did decide by
little or no need for HD

Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for
HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available.

but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.

You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm
sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen.



It's over.

At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear
to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very
similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The
programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting
as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.
HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor
benfit.





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Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio.

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
 

IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 18, 4:39 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area and
the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.
HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.
Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.
The FCC says - "let the market decide". The market did decide by
little or no need for HD but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.
It's over.
jw
It's not over:
"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"
http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm
The end may be near:
http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html
While, God I hope you're right, don't count onIBOCgoing away
anytime soon. There's been a LOT of money spent, and a huge effort put
into this technology. No one is going to let this go easily. And RADIO,
often being its own worst enemy, especially, will hang onto this until
there is nothing left.

By the time AM Stereo was implemented, it was nearly DOA. And yet, it
took nearly 20 years for it to go away. And, though, noone has that kind
of patience, today, you can expect AMIBOCto linger long after the AM
Band is dead, dead, dead.

RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its
problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water.

No one wants to see this horse**** go away more than I do, but as
you've witnessed here, radio people can be stubborn.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"RADIO is determined that there will be a digital solution to both its
problems and its non-problems come Hell or high water."

DAB is stalling in the UK, DAB has stalled in Canada. As consumers
continue to shunn HD Radio, and broadcasters realize that IBUZZ has
driven away a good-part of listeners, they will have to turn off
IBUZZ, at some point.



Don't count on it. We're not talking about DAB in the UK and Canada,
where decisions about implementation and development are made by the
government. We're talking about terrestrial broadcasting in the US,
where the most vibrant force is the market.

Most people are not aware that the Powell FCC mandated that all
future modulation schemes would be DIGITAL. For all media. And that
analog was in its sunset years. Nowhere does it say what those schemes
would be. Only that they be digital. IBOC fullfils that criterion.

This will NOT die easily.

You're correct that there's little to no public interest. And that
FCC has also mandated that there will be a marketplace solution to the
issue. But that doesn't mean that IBOC is in a buy or die circumstance.
It means that whatever is to come will be determined by market forces.
Within THAT context, both Radio an iBiquity could continue to modify,
evolve and reinvent IBOC applications, technical solutions, and
marketing solutions until things catch fire.

You need to consider that there has been an astonishing amount of
money spent here. By iBiquity. By broadcasters. And by manufacturers.
And that licensing offers a cash cow to iBiquity when the market for
IBOC hardware saturates. No one in a market economy will let go of that
kind of goldmine without a fight.

IBOC may be doomed. God, I hope so. But whether or not that's true,
it will not die quickly. And it will not die quietly.

This will not go away as quickly as it appeared.

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
 

On Sep 19, 7:17 am, Stephanie Weil wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not
enough advertising income). The only things these people have for
radio entertainment are the distant stations.

Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local
audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you
like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA


I Am There : Twain Harte, CA

1 - AM Radio Station down the Hill in Sonora, CA
* Most of the Time I can not here it at Night.

2 - FM Radios Stations down the Hill in Sonora, CA

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
 

On Sep 19, 10:17 am, Stephanie Weil wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not
enough advertising income). The only things these people have for
radio entertainment are the distant stations.

Don't forget that radio stations are first businesses. Their target
audience has to be listeners who advertisers feel will be in a
position to respond favorably to their message. Listeners will not
likely drive 500 miles to purchase a car, refrigerator, insurance,
etc. Those few people who live outside the primary listening area are
of no interest to a commercial radio station. It's just tough if the
radio station does something like add HD channels that disrupts the
listening of someone outside the target area. Those are the hard cold
facts of radio stations that hope to make a profit.


Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local
audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you
like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX.

True you you may have to dx if you live in the boondocks, or buy a
satellite radio setup. But that faraway radio station will for
obvious business reasons have no concern about your listening habits
because you are not a listener who would be of any interest to their
advertisers.

If radio stations were public entities with no profit motive then I
could understand your concerns. But the basic radio model in this
country is built around it being a profit making enterprise.

In NYC you should have no shortage of local radio stations.


Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
 

On Sep 19, 9:32 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:





On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
and

That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on
advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a
radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from
Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations
to service local areas.

the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.

Try and find anHD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.

Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD
radios.

The FCC says - "let the market decide".

Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely
successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job
they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what
they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments.

The market did decide by
little or no need for HD

Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need forHD radio. HD radiohas really only just become widely available.

but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.

You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm
sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen.

It's over.

At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear
to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very
similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The
programming onHD radiohas the potential to be about as interesting
as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.HD radiodoes not have an added listening fee which is a minor
benfit.

jw- Hide quoted text -

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Eduardo!

Huh????????



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On Sep 19, 10:48 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:





On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
and

That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on
advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a
radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from
Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations
to service local areas.

the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.

Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.

Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD
radios.

The FCC says - "let the market decide".

Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely
successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job
they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what
they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments.

The market did decide by
little or no need for HD

Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for
HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available.

but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.

You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm
sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen.

It's over.

At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear
to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very
similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The
programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting
as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.
HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor
benfit.

jw- Hide quoted text -

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Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio.-
If Internet Radio is in a position to kill HD radio then it is equally
in a position to kill the parent of HD radio as well.

Are you saying that if a radio station broadcasts on the Internet that
action will kill off its signals on standard broadcast and HD
channels? Please explain how this mass murder will come about.

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
 

"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not
enough advertising income). The only things these people have for
radio entertainment are the distant stations.

Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local
audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you
like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX.

About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the
variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of
total listening in most markets. Add to that the fact that night listening
to radio is about a quarter of the 6 AM to 7 PM levels.... and you have very
few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations.

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier localarea
 

How many times before have you bought something that you heard
advertized on radio, or heard and saw advertized on tv? Things that you
have bought before, mostly sitting on the shelves in the stores is the
advertizing that I check outExubera commercial on tv right now.I wouldnt
touch that S..t with a million mile long pole.Most commercials on radio
and tv, I shut that crap off! I never buy any of that new fangled non
sense stuff they advertize.You got people out there, every two or hree
years, they rush out and buy the latest Dell or HP of eMachines or
Gateway or Asus or whatever computer gadgets, they don't know a damn
thing.
cuhulin

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier localarea
 

If you advertize it on radio or tv,,,, I am NOT going to buy it.
cuhulin