"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
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And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable
HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM-
loop and external FM-dipole antennas?

I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of
these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is
that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than
on performance.

It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell
itself.


Technically, ther eis no way HD
will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset
and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen.

Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to
play out before they give up.

I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined.


And, what stores
sell radios anymore and who buys radios?


You're kidding, right?


Frank Dresser

On Sep 20, 3:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

Frank Dresser

I think you're dead right here. Looks to me like IBOC was practically
designed as a first step toward pay radio.

Steve

On Sep 20, 12:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...



And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable
HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM-
loop and external FM-dipole antennas?

I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of
these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is
that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than
on performance.

It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell
itself.

Technically, ther eis no way HD
will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset
and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen.

Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to
play out before they give up.

I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined.

And, what stores
sell radios anymore and who buys radios?

You're kidding, right?

Frank Dresser

FD - IBOC Crock is a Strand-Up Guy :
Obsessed by His Own Humor ~ RHF

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:48:34 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


They should be paying people.

On Sep 20, 8:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message

...



Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.



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Is this going to have any impact on the price of your ginseng
supplement?

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead
in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the
chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at
low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive
protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.

Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD
chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more
"on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for
analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries
will last, not formulae.

David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as the faux Hispanic, 'Eduardo', wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead
in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the
chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at
low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive
protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.

Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD
chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more
"on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for
analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries
will last, not formulae.

To the fake Hispanic, it's not how big the lie is, but how long he can get away
with it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead
in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the
chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at
low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive
protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.

Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD
chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more
"on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for
analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries
will last, not formulae.

I don't know what you mean by "on time" in relation to power
consumption. If you meant that the new chip set consumes 1/10 the power
that I could understand, but regardless the comparison should be the new
chip set to a comparable analog radio and cost by the way.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California