"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The point you do not understand since you do not live around here is AM
does better day or night than FM. Even the low rolling hills on the
coast let alone the larger mountains inland make for very poor FM
reception so your arguments that FM sounds better is bogus. AM is
superior over FM around here at least. I'll bet you have never driven
route 1 along the coast in Ventura or LA counties. FM really sucks on
that road that runs along the ocean.

I have only driven that route a few dozen times. The local FMs (the ones
with decent in market signals) sound fine.

There are spots where there is multipath, but HD will reduce or eliminate
that.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

So the reality is you don't know but are guessing based on manufactured
statistics or stuff you read on the Internet. However, although you do
not have direct knowledge you feel free to tell me what I can receive
well or not. What a crock.

1. Arbitron data is not manufactured, and if you combine a year of surveys,
and read the data in MapMaker, you can easily do a "fuzzy line" plot of
where a station has useful coverage. It's funny that it tends to match the
10 mvm contour nicely.

2. I do not get any data on the internet. Before we could process the data
in Maximiser, we had to plot every diary against a map of ZIPs at
Arbitrons's HQ in Maryland. Ask the Arbitron folks who was there most often
to do that?

3. I have no interest in what you receive. I have an interest in what people
can listen to, so I made sure I knew what a listenable signal was, first.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dxAce wrote:

David wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:27:54 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


I suppose it was my idea to discontinue the R8B? There was not enough
market, you fool.

I think what happened was that they pretty much sold one to everybody
who wanted one over the series' extremely long run.

As I recall it Drakes explanation of the discontinuation it wasn't so
much the
lack of demand but other issues.

I'll have to contact Bill Frost and ask him about that.


I'll bet I'm right about the cost of producing the R8B.

People would have paid more... as costs went up. The issue was that there
was not a big enough demand to pay for the costs of production runs,
redesign around changing parts, etc.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

This is the guy that tells me what my reception is like based on
marketing statistics.

You certainly twist things at your convenience. I have said many times that
radio is not interested in reception outside the primary market. Strike one.
Radio stations get essentially no listening outside, in the case of AMs, the
10 mvm contour... proven by looking at the behaviour of millions of diary
keeping listeners over the last decade or so. Strike 2. And reception can be
considered listenable only if many people listen to a station in an area.
Strike 3.

You listen to stations most people, if not all, in your area, consider
unlistenable, and they tell us this by the failure of the stations you have
metioned to show up with even minimal listening in your area.

This is the guy that calls me a lier when I post
about what I can hear,

You still do not get the difference between hearable and listenable.

what programming I listen too,

While it appears, from the fact you care about AM, that you like news talk,
I have not made any observation on your choice of that programming. Keep in
mind that news talk is migrating to FM in many places already, due to
demographic concerns.

and that in any
even I'm not relevant to his work or life.

No, yoiu are not. You have such strange listening patterns and choices
nobody can appeal to you. The out of market stations can not derive revenue
from you, as there is no out of market sales. You don't benefit the in
market stations, as you do not use them. Useless, then, to terrestrial
radio.

This in a news group about
radio listening local or distant. The guy is a joke and is the only one
that does not realize it.

The real joke is on the couple of guys like you who don't realize that they
are contributing to the end of AM.

"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-
If KOH is not coming in well I don't listen. I try again the next night
and if reception is good, and it usually is, then I stay tuned in.
That's going to happen a lot less now that I have HD hiss in the
background all the time. Now I'll be listening to KOH very infrequently
to never because I'm not going to listen to that bacon frying sound in
the background. It's very annoying.


And KROW could care less. They get most of their revenue 6 AM to 7 PM in the
groudnwave coverage area around Reno. They get no benefit from you or even
10,000 like you in Ventura County, CA.

"David Eduardo" wrote:


You listen to stations most people, if not all, in your area, consider
unlistenable, and they tell us this by the failure of the stations you have
metioned to show up with even minimal listening in your area.



He doesn't listen because Aribtron says they don't listen because
Arbitron doesn't count out of market listeners because they don't
listen.

Nice.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The point you do not understand since you do not live around here is AM
does better day or night than FM. Even the low rolling hills on the
coast let alone the larger mountains inland make for very poor FM
reception so your arguments that FM sounds better is bogus. AM is
superior over FM around here at least. I'll bet you have never driven
route 1 along the coast in Ventura or LA counties. FM really sucks on
that road that runs along the ocean.

I have only driven that route a few dozen times. The local FMs (the ones
with decent in market signals) sound fine.

There are spots where there is multipath, but HD will reduce or eliminate
that.

Try driving it again. Ocean on one side and high cliffs on the other
such that FM is pretty much dead. You will not pick up anything from the
LA area just a few stations from up or down the coast. Must be a magic
radio in your car or you have never driven that road. Every post you
make, makes you look less real to me.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

So the reality is you don't know but are guessing based on manufactured
statistics or stuff you read on the Internet. However, although you do
not have direct knowledge you feel free to tell me what I can receive
well or not. What a crock.

1. Arbitron data is not manufactured, and if you combine a year of surveys,
and read the data in MapMaker, you can easily do a "fuzzy line" plot of
where a station has useful coverage. It's funny that it tends to match the
10 mvm contour nicely.

2. I do not get any data on the internet. Before we could process the data
in Maximiser, we had to plot every diary against a map of ZIPs at
Arbitrons's HQ in Maryland. Ask the Arbitron folks who was there most often
to do that?

3. I have no interest in what you receive. I have an interest in what people
can listen to, so I made sure I knew what a listenable signal was, first.

More importantly you have no interest in reality.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
news
"David Eduardo" wrote:


You listen to stations most people, if not all, in your area, consider
unlistenable, and they tell us this by the failure of the stations you
have
metioned to show up with even minimal listening in your area.



He doesn't listen because Aribtron says they don't listen because
Arbitron doesn't count out of market listeners because they don't
listen.

In each market area, all listening to any radio station is recorded by
listeners as is the instruction in the Arbitron diary. Commercial or
non-commercial, local or not, internet or off air, satellite or terrestrial.
All is recorded and processed. If there is any significant listening to out
of market stations it is recorded.

There are a couple of hundred stations that get out of market listening in
the US. Most are FMs, and the listening is in geographically adjacent or
embedded markets.

In the San Francisco market, San Jose is part of the total metro. But there
is also a separate San Jose rating, taken from the sample done in one county
only, so the SF stations show up in the San Jose Book. Similarly, Riverside
/San Berdoo are adjacent to LA, but not in the LA radio market (they are in
the TV market and thus in the DMA) and LA stations get about half the
listening in that market's ratings. But there is no market anymore where
skywave listening to AM consistently if ever "makes the book." The last
cases were the usage of KGO at night in Oregon.... but that does not happen
any more.

But if WWL has listening in Seattle, WWL will show up in the Seattle
ratings.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

This is the guy that tells me what my reception is like based on
marketing statistics.

You certainly twist things at your convenience. I have said many times that
radio is not interested in reception outside the primary market. Strike one.
Radio stations get essentially no listening outside, in the case of AMs, the
10 mvm contour... proven by looking at the behaviour of millions of diary
keeping listeners over the last decade or so. Strike 2. And reception can be
considered listenable only if many people listen to a station in an area.
Strike 3.

You listen to stations most people, if not all, in your area, consider
unlistenable, and they tell us this by the failure of the stations you have
metioned to show up with even minimal listening in your area.

More baloney from the master fabricator.

This is the guy that calls me a lier when I post
about what I can hear,

You still do not get the difference between hearable and listenable.

You still don't know the difference between some screw up ideas in your
head and reality.

what programming I listen too,

While it appears, from the fact you care about AM, that you like news talk,
I have not made any observation on your choice of that programming. Keep in
mind that news talk is migrating to FM in many places already, due to
demographic concerns.

Well that's just great. That means my reception will get worse than it
is now.

and that in any
even I'm not relevant to his work or life.

No, yoiu are not. You have such strange listening patterns and choices
nobody can appeal to you. The out of market stations can not derive revenue
from you, as there is no out of market sales. You don't benefit the in
market stations, as you do not use them. Useless, then, to terrestrial
radio.

This in a news group about
radio listening local or distant. The guy is a joke and is the only one
that does not realize it.

The real joke is on the couple of guys like you who don't realize that they
are contributing to the end of AM.

Well here is a news flash for you. The HD you promote is doing just that.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California