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On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.

On Sep 28, 12:17 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Sep 28, 10:43 am, Rfburns wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:31 am, Steve wrote:

On Sep 28, 10:22 am, Rfburns wrote:

Does anyone know of a broadcaster who's turned off their AM HD since
nighttime operation started?

I don't. Why do you think they'd be turning it off now when they just
started night time AM HD broadcasts?

Maybe cause nobody is listening? Or, possibly interference
complaints? Makes sense to me.

Yeah, I'm puzzled at your question as well. If radio stations have
just started turning on HD why would they turn it back off again?
They won't have meaningful audience statistics to base a decision on
for several months.

There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text -

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There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?

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There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was
good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?


The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to
competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and
there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the
HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no
way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no
secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an
HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement
of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for
Arbitron separately and will then be measurable.

On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was
good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?

The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to
competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and
there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the
HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no
way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no
secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an
HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement
of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for
Arbitron separately and will then be measurable.

Take your People Meter and suck on it.

On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was
good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?

The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due to
competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll and
there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since the
HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no
way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no
secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an
HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no measurement
of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode for
Arbitron separately and will then be measurable.

The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD, but
rather to use them to determine whether the channels are attracting a
sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are really good for.

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On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was
good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?

The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due
to
competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll
and
there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since
the
HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no
way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no
secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for
an
HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no
measurement
of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode
for
Arbitron separately and will then be measurable.

The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD, but
rather to use them to determine whether the channels are attracting a
sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are really good for.


The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and
robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of
significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings.

On Sep 29, 12:51 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night HD was
good
or bad, just as there are none for daytime operation.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations? How
in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?

The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary considerably due
to
competitive situations, the normal statistical wobble or error of a poll
and
there is no way to tell which reason of many is affecting ratings. Since
the
HD1 channel of every FM is a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no
way to distinguish it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no
secondary channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for
an
HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no
measurement
of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such channels will encode
for
Arbitron separately and will then be measurable.

The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD, but
rather to use them to determine whether the channels are attracting a
sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are really good for.

The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and
robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of
significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what reason do we have to think you're telling the truth THIS time?

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The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio and
robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM of
significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio ratings.-
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And what reason do we have to think you're telling the truth THIS time?


Because Arbitron's simulcast policy is posted on their website, moron.

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On Sep 28, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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There would be no audience statistics that showed whether night
HD was good or bad, just as there are none for daytime
operation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are no listener or audience statistics for radio stations?
How in the world do radio stations determine market share, sell
advertising, etc., then?

The effect of HD can not be measured; radio ratings vary
considerably due to competitive situations, the normal statistical
wobble or error of a poll and there is no way to tell which reason
of many is affecting ratings. Since the HD1 channel of every FM is
a simulcast of the analog channel, there is no way to distinguish
it from the analog product in the ratings; AM has no secondary
channels so there is going to be no difference in ratings for an
HD or non-HD station. So far, in this early stage, there is no
measurement of HD 2 channels although in the People Meter, such
channels will encode for Arbitron separately and will then be
measurable.

The point isn't trying to use statistics to point a finger at HD,
but rather to use them to determine whether the channels are
attracting a sufficient audience. That's all those numbers are
really good for.


The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio
and robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM
of significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio
ratings.

What is not significant is your constant pontificating.

You realize that you have painted yourself into a corner, either you are
for real and look like a complete jackass or you are a faker.

I don't know which situation is worse for you but that's where you are
at in the news group.

If you are for real I sure hope people in your industry don't read this
news group for your own sake.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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The main purpose of FM HD is to provide digital main channel audio
and robust texting; the digital audio is the only enhancement for AM
of significance. Simulcasts are not measured separately in radio
ratings.

What is not significant is your constant pontificating.

You realize that you have painted yourself into a corner, either you are
for real and look like a complete jackass or you are a faker.

I don't know which situation is worse for you but that's where you are
at in the news group.

If you are for real I sure hope people in your industry don't read this
news group for your own sake.

I'm sure they don't read this group, as few were ever DXers. That is why I
get invited to speak at NAB, RAB, NAB Europe, etc.

For the moment, the main advantage of HD is having a digital version of the
content on the analog signal: as more receivers arrive, there will be
increased interest in the secondary channels, and the use of closed channels
for special data delivery applications. That's the entire business model of
HD, in fact.