"Steve" wrote in message
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On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon





wrote:
In article ,
Robert Orban wrote:

In article telamon_spamshield-
,
says...

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message
news:telamon_spamshield-
...

That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said
no way,
that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your
head.

Bob didn't test all the different model radios.

He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm
guessing
you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the
term
Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented
audio
processing.

Yep, that where you got stuck somehow.

Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again.

Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Looking good.

This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am
only one
member) was done very carefully.
Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick
"AM Bandwidth Study."

Telamon
Ventura, California

By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are
implying
that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you
would at
least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and
what
evidence you have that the study was flawed.

The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading
comprehension. The handle is Telamon.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

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Now be nice Telamon,

Mister Orban has posted under his own name
and has asked you to reply to him : in kind.

FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban
* A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United
States
-by- Robert Orban, San Francisco,
CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html
* Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems,
Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html
* Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec
Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/

it's nice to be nice ! RHF
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The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is
posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can
really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they
intend for you to believe is their own!


When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.

On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,
Robert Orban wrote:

In article telamon_spamshield-
,
says...

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message
news:telamon_spamshield-
...

That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said
no way,
that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your
head.

Bob didn't test all the different model radios.

He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm
guessing
you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the
term
Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented
audio
processing.

Yep, that where you got stuck somehow.

Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again.

Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Looking good.

This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am
only one
member) was done very carefully.
Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick
"AM Bandwidth Study."

Telamon
Ventura, California

By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are
implying
that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you
would at
least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and
what
evidence you have that the study was flawed.

The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading
comprehension. The handle is Telamon.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now be nice Telamon,

Mister Orban has posted under his own name
and has asked you to reply to him : in kind.

FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban
* A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United
States
-by- Robert Orban, San Francisco,
CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html
* Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems,
Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html
* Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec
Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/

it's nice to be nice ! RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is
posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can
really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they
intend for you to believe is their own!

When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?

Steve wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...





On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,
Robert Orban wrote:

In article telamon_spamshield-
,
says...

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message
news:telamon_spamshield-
...

That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said
no way,
that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your
head.

Bob didn't test all the different model radios.

He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm
guessing
you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the
term
Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who reinvented
audio
processing.

Yep, that where you got stuck somehow.

Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again.

Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Looking good.

This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am
only one
member) was done very carefully.
Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick
"AM Bandwidth Study."

Telamon
Ventura, California

By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are
implying
that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you
would at
least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and
what
evidence you have that the study was flawed.

The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your reading
comprehension. The handle is Telamon.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now be nice Telamon,

Mister Orban has posted under his own name
and has asked you to reply to him : in kind.

FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban
* A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United
States
-by- Robert Orban, San Francisco,
CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html
* Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems,
Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...gr/robert.html
* Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec
Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/

it's nice to be nice ! RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is
posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can
really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they
intend for you to believe is their own!

When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?

He probably doesn't. Heck, he can't even provide any evidence of his non-existent amateur license.

The one thing we know for su David Frackelton Gleason is a pathological liar.

In article om,
Steve wrote:

On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,
Robert Orban wrote:

In article telamon_spamshield-
,
says...

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message
news:telamon_spamshield-
...

That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said
no way,
that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your
head.

Bob didn't test all the different model radios.

He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm
guessing
you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the
term
Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who
reinvented
audio
processing.

Yep, that where you got stuck somehow.

Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again.

Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Looking good.

This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am
only one
member) was done very carefully.
Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick
"AM Bandwidth Study."

Telamon
Ventura, California

By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are
implying
that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you
would at
least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and
what
evidence you have that the study was flawed.

The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your
reading
comprehension. The handle is Telamon.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now be nice Telamon,

Mister Orban has posted under his own name
and has asked you to reply to him : in kind.

FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban
* A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United
States
-by- Robert Orban, San Francisco,
CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html
* Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems,
Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...1.gr/robert.ht
ml
* Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec
Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/

it's nice to be nice ! RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is
posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can
really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they
intend for you to believe is their own!

When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?

I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that
assertion.

See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with
Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he
can't loose.

Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the
bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people
that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other
words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up
with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on
Usenet.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that
assertion.

See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with
Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he
can't loose.

Nearly 100% of the viable radio stations in rated markets has access to the
data. However, Arbitron only releases the data on 12+ listeners in one
daypart,, which is 6 AM to midnight. The rest of the data is copyright and
protected for only sales and programming purposes.

Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the
bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people
that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other
words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up
with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on
Usenet.

You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of
listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio
is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and
you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this
newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything
you don't agree with.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that
assertion.

See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with
Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he
can't loose.

Nearly 100% of the viable radio stations in rated markets has access to the
data. However, Arbitron only releases the data on 12+ listeners in one
daypart,, which is 6 AM to midnight. The rest of the data is copyright and
protected for only sales and programming purposes.

Hilarious! This is just to funny.

Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the
bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people
that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other
words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up
with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on
Usenet.

You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of
listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio
is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and
you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this
newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything
you don't agree with.

Oh no Eduardo! I have the statistics to backup what I say!

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of
listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way
radio
is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and
you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and
this
newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about
anything
you don't agree with.

Oh no Eduardo! I have the statistics to backup what I say!

No, you do not. You never have.

Taking one example, that of "I can hear it so people must listen to it" you
can see that you take one bit of personal, anecdotal data, your ability to
pick up a station, and apply it to the general population. The facts betray
you here, since hearing level is not listening level, and people around you
do not listen to the stations you can hear.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of
listening, of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way
radio
is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and
you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and
this
newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about
anything
you don't agree with.

Oh no Eduardo! I have the statistics to backup what I say!

No, you do not. You never have.

Taking one example, that of "I can hear it so people must listen to it" you
can see that you take one bit of personal, anecdotal data, your ability to
pick up a station, and apply it to the general population. The facts betray
you here, since hearing level is not listening level, and people around you
do not listen to the stations you can hear.

I've done the research. I have the statistics. You are just plain wrong.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Oct 6, 2:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that
assertion.

See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with
Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he
can't loose.

Nearly 100% of the viable radio stations in rated markets has access to the
data. However, Arbitron only releases the data on 12+ listeners in one
daypart,, which is 6 AM to midnight. The rest of the data is copyright and
protected for only sales and programming purposes.


Sure it is....sure....




Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the
bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people
that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other
words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up
with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on
Usenet.

You just don't like what you hear, so you make up your own definition of
listening,

What? And risk running afoul of your cherished Encarta dictionary?
Lol....

of markets (today's post was a good example) and of the way radio
is used. You have no data other than what your megaradio can pick up, and
you are projecting your own misconceptions on all radio listeners and this
newsgroup. You have a classic "shoot the messenger" mentality about anything
you don't agree with.

Umm...maybe if "the messenger" wouldn't insist on spamming the group
with off-topic posts, people wouldn't shoot him for recreation.

On Oct 6, 10:40 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article om,





Steve wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:48 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Oct 5, 3:54 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:45 pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,
Robert Orban wrote:

In article telamon_spamshield-
,
says...

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message
news:telamon_spamshield-
...

That's funny, I just asked Bob if he 'found' this and he said
no way,
that you're basically just making **** up off the top of your
head.

Bob didn't test all the different model radios.

He tested enough for a reliable sample of what Americans use. I'm
guessing
you don't know who Bob Orban is, so you might google him and the
term
Optimod or NRSC to learn a little bit about the man who
reinvented
audio
processing.

Yep, that where you got stuck somehow.

Reality = Take some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Oops! It's not quite what you wanted. Try again.

Reality = Makeup some samples + apply statistics + shake vigorously

Looking good.

This study, which was done under auspices of the NRSC (of which I am
only one
member) was done very carefully.
Seehttp://www.nrscstandards.org/andclick
"AM Bandwidth Study."

Telamon
Ventura, California

By the way, "Telemon," to whom am I actually speaking? If you are
implying
that the above referenced study was corrupt, I would hope that you
would at
least back up your accusation by letting us know your real name and
what
evidence you have that the study was flawed.

The only suggestion I have for you Mr. Orban is to work on your
reading
comprehension. The handle is Telamon.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now be nice Telamon,

Mister Orban has posted under his own name
and has asked you to reply to him : in kind.

FWIW - Robert {Bob} Orban
* A Short History of Transmission Audio Processing in the United
States
-by- Robert Orban, San Francisco,
CAhttp://www.bext.com/histproc.htmhttp://www.261.gr/roberthistory.html
* Optimod "Ask Bob" - Orban/CRL Systems,
Inc.http://www.orban.com/support/orban/a...1.gr/robert.ht
ml
* Orban Audio Codec - "Opticodec
Line"http://www.orban.com/products/codec/

it's nice to be nice ! RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The fact is, it's pretty well impossible to know when someone is
posting under "their own name" on the internet. The only thing you can
really conclude is that someone is posting under a name which they
intend for you to believe is their own!

When it comes to content, nobody can duplicate one of Bob Orban's posts.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?

I'm sure he can recite a number of Arbitron statistics to prove that
assertion.

See the problem with Eduardo is that all arguments begin and end with
Arbitron since he supposedly has access to that data and we don't so he
can't loose.

Well I just re-ran the Usenet reader stats and Eduardo came out on the
bottom of believability contour of all posters. The number of people
that believe him is below 10% in the 25 to 54 age group or in other
words his bombast signal level is not high enough for most to put up
with. People will just tune out in favor of a more rational poster on
Usenet.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

d'Eduardo -aka- "El Arbitronaireo" the SuperHero of Mucho Numbers;
Mágico Market Share and the El Estupendo {Factoid} Percentage !

and all i have is gut 'feeling' based on what i hear on the radio ~
RHF
.