"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Eduardo claims technical expertise but does not understand the
difference between symbols that are multipliers and an electrical unit
that define the measurement of field strength at the epicenter of most
of his arguments. He seems to have no interest in the terminology other
than to use them as terms to beat people about head with. Once you
challenge him on an assertion he made he always retreats to information
that is only accessible to him.

You have long tried to obfuscate the fact... the amazingly simple fact...
that the farther you go from a station's transmitter, the fewer are the
people who listen to it. In studies of millions of ZIP Code specific
listening incidents, it can be seen that metro area AMs get few incidents
outside of the area where the measured field strenght is 10 mV/m or better.
Outside that area, there is little if any listening.

I am not a student of propagation theory. I am a student and practitioner of
radio programming. Knowing where a station may successfully get listening is
a key to any programming endeavor. Wasting time where the signal is not good
enough for the average listener to enjoy listening is counterproductive. The
listener cares not how the signal gets to the radio but cares in extreme
whether the osund is clear, free from interference and enjoyable to listen
to.

The rest of your technobabble is irrelevant to me and the listener.

He is wrong on semiconductor technology, wrong about the business of
semiconductors, wrong about the traffic and topology of southern
California that he supposedly lives in, wrong about radio reception, and
he has been wrong about the rollout of HD radios even though he has this
insider information we don't share in.

The rollout of HD is pretty much on schedule, from the iBiquity point of
view. The ad campaign by the HD Alliance sucks, but many HD broadcasters are
not members of that group and so have no influence.

The only thing any of us in radio stations needs to know is that less
costly, low power chips are coming in 2008. That has been stated and
confirmed. There are no news articles or bona fied reports to the contrary.
Your opinions, since you are not in boradcasting, are pretty much valueless
in this instance.

The single fact you have posted on "topography" involves one road,
connecting the LA market with the Ventura market, which has a tiny amount of
traffic compared to all the roads in LA and Orange Counies (the LA metro)
and is thus irrelevant. Your remark did prove you did not know that all
listening irrespective of where it takes place goes to the metro where the
listener lives, not where they travel. So you were making conclusions based
on fauty understanding of ratings and the business of radio... the very
business you cricize so vehemently.

The arguments on radio station reception have been the most amusing for
me as he continued to retreat to less and less tenuous position. The
ignorance he has expressed seems to know no bounds.

My evidence is based on where and when and for how long actual people
listen, all over the US. Your comments are based on what you can get on your
radio in your car or home.

On Oct 7, 3:01 pm, Randy Yates wrote:
RHF writes:
A REMINDER TO ALL -WRT- "HD" RADIO

There Is a "HD Radio" NewsGroup
HD RADIO =http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
Description: This is a Group for discussing HD Radio, it's
viability in the market place, HD Radios & Receivers and
Technology, Programming, Reception, and in general
anything concerning HD Radio that shouldn't be clogging
up other NewsGroups, like Rec.Radio.Shortwave.

For anyone who is looking for an "HD" Radio Group that
is Moderated -or- Simply NOT Rec.Radio.Shortwave

Here is a List of Yahoo Groups that have something
to do with "HD" Radio News and Information.
HD RADIO =http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=HD+Radio
* HDRadio
* HD-Radio
* HD-Radio-Engineering
* Accurian HD Radio {RadioShack}
* High Defination Radio

Plus here is a List of Yahoo Groups that have something
to do with "IBOC" {HD Radio} News and Information.
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=IBOC
* HD-Radio-Engineering
* Sangean HDT1 "HD" Radio Tuner
* NO2IBOC = Just Say "NO" To IBOC !
* DRM IBOC HDRadio = DRM and HD Radio Forum
* AMStereoOnly = AM Stereo Only ! - Where Digital Is Dead !

FWIW - Here is another HD Radio Forum {NewsGroup}
AVS Forum Digital Video & Audio Devices HD Radio
HD RADIO =http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=154
Some Good Info Here and It is Free for the Reading )

And Once Again The Aforementioned "HDRadio" NewsGroup
HDRADIO=http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/

hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF

It may seem pedantic, but please don't refer to these as "newsgroups"
unless they are true usenet newsgroups. There are no "hd-*" newsgroups
on my supernews server (one of the largest in the world), so they
probably don't exist.

A custom-created group in Google or Yahoo does not a usenet newsgroup
make.
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% Randy Yates % "Remember the good old 1980's, when
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % things were so uncomplicated?"
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Ticket To The Moon'
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Umm...this may also seem pedantic, but please don't refer to true
usenet groups as "newsgroups". Thanks.

On Oct 7, 3:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...

Eduardo claims technical expertise but does not understand the
difference between symbols that are multipliers and an electrical unit
that define the measurement of field strength at the epicenter of most
of his arguments. He seems to have no interest in the terminology other
than to use them as terms to beat people about head with. Once you
challenge him on an assertion he made he always retreats to information
that is only accessible to him.

You have long tried to obfuscate the fact... the amazingly simple fact...
that the farther you go from a station's transmitter, the fewer are the
people who listen to it. In studies of millions of ZIP Code specific
listening incidents, it can be seen that metro area AMs get few incidents
outside of the area where the measured field strenght is 10 mV/m or better.
Outside that area, there is little if any listening.

I am not a student of propagation theory. I am a student and practitioner of
radio programming. Knowing where a station may successfully get listening is
a key to any programming endeavor. Wasting time where the signal is not good
enough for the average listener to enjoy listening is counterproductive. The
listener cares not how the signal gets to the radio but cares in extreme
whether the osund is clear, free from interference and enjoyable to listen
to.

The rest of your technobabble is irrelevant to me and the listener.



He is wrong on semiconductor technology, wrong about the business of
semiconductors, wrong about the traffic and topology of southern
California that he supposedly lives in, wrong about radio reception, and
he has been wrong about the rollout of HD radios even though he has this
insider information we don't share in.

The rollout of HD is pretty much on schedule, from the iBiquity point of
view. The ad campaign by the HD Alliance sucks, but many HD broadcasters are
not members of that group and so have no influence.

The only thing any of us in radio stations needs to know is that less
costly, low power chips are coming in 2008. That has been stated and
confirmed. There are no news articles or bona fied reports to the contrary.
Your opinions, since you are not in boradcasting, are pretty much valueless
in this instance.

The single fact you have posted on "topography" involves one road,
connecting the LA market with the Ventura market, which has a tiny amount of
traffic compared to all the roads in LA and Orange Counies (the LA metro)
and is thus irrelevant. Your remark did prove you did not know that all
listening irrespective of where it takes place goes to the metro where the
listener lives, not where they travel. So you were making conclusions based
on fauty understanding of ratings and the business of radio... the very
business you cricize so vehemently.



The arguments on radio station reception have been the most amusing for
me as he continued to retreat to less and less tenuous position. The
ignorance he has expressed seems to know no bounds.

My evidence is based on where and when and for how long actual people
listen, all over the US. Your comments are based on what you can get on your
radio in your car or home.

You have no evidence. You don't care about evidence. You care about
money, about doing the bidding of your masters, and about saying
anything it takes to make the money roll in. Period.

On Oct 7, 2:21 pm, Steve wrote:
On Oct 7, 4:55 pm, Randy Yates wrote:





Steve writes:
[...]
Umm...this may also seem pedantic, but please don't refer to true
usenet groups as "newsgroups". Thanks.

This is what they are called in the very header of a usenet message
according to the specification of usenet:

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1036/rfc1036.html(seee.g. section 2)

So I'll stick with the terminology defined in the standard, thanks.
--
% Randy Yates % "I met someone who looks alot like you,
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % she does the things you do,
%%% 919-577-9882 % but she is an IBM."
%%%% % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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OK so can we all get back to Counting the Number
of Angels on the Head of a Pin . . . . . . . . . ~ RHF

RHF writes:
[...]
OK so can we all get back to Counting the Number
of Angels on the Head of a Pin . . . . . . . . . ~ RHF

It's a little more relevent than that.

Some of us use real usenet newsreader clients (instead of the Google
web interface), so the Google and Yahoo groups aren't accessible using
these applications. There are lots of other political and practical
reasons why Yahoo/Google "groups" are significantly different than
usenet newsgroups.
--
% Randy Yates % "How's life on earth?
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % ... What is it worth?"
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Mission (A World Record)',
%%%% % *A New World Record*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

On Oct 7, 3:13 pm, Randy Yates wrote:
RHF writes:
[...]
OK so can we all get back to Counting the Number
of Angels on the Head of a Pin . . . . . . . . . ~ RHF

It's a little more relevent than that.

Some of us use real usenet newsreader clients (instead of the Google
web interface), so the Google and Yahoo groups aren't accessible using
these applications. There are lots of other political and practical
reasons why Yahoo/Google "groups" are significantly different than
usenet newsgroups.
--
% Randy Yates % "How's life on earth?
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % ... What is it worth?"
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Mission (A World Record)',
%%%% % *A New World Record*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com

RY - Not to a "Pin Head" like Me. ;-} ~ RHF

On Oct 7, 6:13 pm, Randy Yates wrote:
RHF writes:
[...]
OK so can we all get back to Counting the Number
of Angels on the Head of a Pin . . . . . . . . . ~ RHF

It's a little more relevent than that.

Some of us use real usenet newsreader clients (instead of the Google
web interface), so the Google and Yahoo groups aren't accessible using
these applications. There are lots of other political and practical
reasons why Yahoo/Google "groups" are significantly different than
usenet newsgroups.
--
% Randy Yates % "How's life on earth?
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % ... What is it worth?"
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Mission (A World Record)',
%%%% % *A New World Record*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com

This might seem pedantic, but please avoid the term "newsgroups".

Steve wrote:
On Oct 7, 6:13 pm, Randy Yates wrote:
RHF writes:
[...]
OK so can we all get back to Counting the Number
of Angels on the Head of a Pin . . . . . . . . . ~ RHF
It's a little more relevent than that.

Some of us use real usenet newsreader clients (instead of the Google
web interface), so the Google and Yahoo groups aren't accessible using
these applications. There are lots of other political and practical
reasons why Yahoo/Google "groups" are significantly different than
usenet newsgroups.
--
% Randy Yates % "How's life on earth?
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % ... What is it worth?"
%%% 919-577-9882 % 'Mission (A World Record)',
%%%% % *A New World Record*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com

This might seem pedantic, but please avoid the term "newsgroups".


A rose by any other name......oh, never mind.

Steve writes:
[...]
This might seem pedantic, but please avoid the term "newsgroups".

Go play with your gee-haw whimmy diddle.
--
% Randy Yates % "And all that I can do
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % is say I'm sorry,
%%% 919-577-9882 % that's the way it goes..."
%%%% % Getting To The Point', *Balance of Power*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

Telamon wrote:

You never finnish your sentences. You mean sounds good to tin ears.



Uh huh. On the day you learn manners...... well, that will never
happen, so why waste time discussing it. A man of your advanced age
has always acted like a childish ill-manned person, and probably
always will act like a childish ill-manned person.