YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:59:12 -0700, jhardis
wrote:

On Sep 30, 5:11 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
Mondiale, and DAB+.

1) The ACC is an athletic conference within the NCAA. You mean AAC.

2) There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. "HD Radio" is a
trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and
the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. IBOC has three modes of
operation: hybrid, extended hybrid, and all digital. All three are
part of "HD Radio."

3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While
iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly
declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE-
AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you
could I would love to know about it.

- Jonathan

The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement
AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't
they.

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

Eric F. Richards wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote:

Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.

Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most
premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future
employability.



I find this ironic coming from the person who insulted me FIRST.
What? You think it's okay to insult me, but heaven forbid I try to
defend myself from such vicious attacks?

Hypocrite.

If you don't want me insulting you, then you should call me "tin ear"

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

On Oct 2, 6:37 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote:

Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.

Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most
premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future
employability.

I find this ironic coming from the person who insulted me FIRST.
What? You think it's okay to insult me, but heaven forbid I try to
defend myself from such vicious attacks?

Hypocrite.

If you don't want me insulting you, then you should call me "tin ear"

Okay, you're tin ear.

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

SFTV_troy wrote:


Eric F. Richards wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote:

Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.

Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most
premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future
employability.



I find this ironic coming from the person who insulted me FIRST.
What? You think it's okay to insult me, but heaven forbid I try to
defend myself from such vicious attacks?

Hypocrite.

If you don't want me insulting you, then you should call me "tin ear"

First off, you came in here, guns blazing, ****ing everyone in sight
off. THEN you go after a widely recognized, renowned engineer and
call him stupid.

I'm not calling an engineer stupid. I'm calling a vo-tech flunkie
stupid, stupid. (THAT's an insult. To vo-tech grads everywhere.)

I'm also saying you need some basic training in listening to music
because your samples that you've presented sound like ****.

Finally, may I point out to you that Peter David writes children's
books? Good ones, granted, but they are aimed to adolescent boys.
When will you move up to more challenging material?

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

In article om,
wrote:

Telamon wrote:
wrote:
Telamon wrote:

Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear.

If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded
old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound.

I have actually listened to several radios and have
experimented with different bandwidths....



So NO you didn't bother to listen to the HE-AAC encodings, and have no
clue how they sound. Thanks for clarifying that. ----- You should
not judge something of which you've never heard. That's like saying
"chocolate ice cream tastes bad" when you've never even tried any.

I have the radios. I did the bandwidth experiments with them and
compared to the sound files I down loaded from various web sites and
played them. You clearly have not done any of this so your opinion is
baseless.

You sure act like a moron.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

On Oct 2, 10:11 am, David wrote:
3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While
iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly
declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE-
AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you
could I would love to know about it.

The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement
AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't
they.

Of the three companies you mention, Coding Technologies is the one
that has an AAC+SBR implementation (under the tradename aacPlus).

But you miss the point. You are relying on inferences and guesswork
for something that -- whether a correct guess or an incorrect guess --
ought to be public information, but isn't. This is of great concern
to me because of its consequences.

For more information, please see:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...t=6519550 109
and the hyperlinked footnotes within.

- Jonathan

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:29:31 -0700, jhardis
wrote:

On Oct 2, 10:11 am, David wrote:
3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While
iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly
declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE-
AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you
could I would love to know about it.

The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement
AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't
they.

Of the three companies you mention, Coding Technologies is the one
that has an AAC+SBR implementation (under the tradename aacPlus).

But you miss the point. You are relying on inferences and guesswork
for something that -- whether a correct guess or an incorrect guess --
ought to be public information, but isn't. This is of great concern
to me because of its consequences.

For more information, please see:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...t=6519550 109
and the hyperlinked footnotes within.

- Jonathan
You make it sound like I give a rat's ass. I have Sirius and it
sounds great.

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

Eric F. Richards wrote:

First off, you came in here, guns blazing


This isn't some private mens' club. It's public. Anyone can post any
thing, at any time. PROPER netiquette dictates that your *welcome*
visitors, not insult them by saying they are stupid or have tin ears,
or accuse them of being trolls.

YOU are to blame with your lousy behavior.

I merely am defending myself from the hostility.

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

On Oct 3, 7:44 am, wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote:

First off, you came in here, guns blazing

This isn't some private mens' club. It's public. Anyone can post any
thing, at any time. PROPER netiquette dictates that your *welcome*
visitors, not insult them by saying they are stupid or have tin ears,
or accuse them of being trolls.

YOU are to blame with your lousy behavior.

I merely am defending myself from the hostility.

You're not a visitor. You're a troll.

YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
 

On Oct 2, 8:50 pm, Telamon
wrote:

You sure act like a moron.


Frak you.