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Ice Ages come and go.At some time in the future, there WILL be another
Ice Age coming along.Will that be blamed on Human beings too?
cuhulin

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In article ,
David wrote:

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:24:05 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Pay attention please. The only scientific body making the incredibly
weak claim is the one at the UN. That body is more political than
scientific.

Now wake up if you are able.

And the AAAS. Are they political as well?

Yes.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:52:00 -0700, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:24:05 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Pay attention please. The only scientific body making the incredibly
weak claim is the one at the UN. That body is more political than
scientific.

Now wake up if you are able.

And the AAAS. Are they political as well?

Yes.

Are you?

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On Oct 21, 1:53 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 20, 11:34 pm, Ross Archer wrote:

On Oct 19, 9:19 pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article . com,
Ross Archer wrote:

On Oct 13, 1:43 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article . com,
Ross Archer wrote:

On Oct 12, 2:16 am, "Burr" wrote:
Maybe I should have voted for the SOB!!!!

from CNN
-- Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore and the U.N.'s climate change
panel
win
the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. Details soon.

While it's certainly open to debate whether global warming falls under
the purview of a peace prize, there's no question that once it's
decided that the prize goes for that, Albert Gore Jr. is deserving of
it.

The idea that global warming is liberal bias is preposterous. Global
warming is occurring, and the majority of that warming is
anthropogenic, and this is the consensus of climate scientists. None
of this is controversial in scientific circles, or at least no more
controversial than most generally-accepted theories.

First off there is no proof that man is responsible for climate change.

There is *overwhelming* scientific evidence to this effect. Where
have you been?

I'm sorry for being so blunt, but your statement is completely
contrary to fact.

You don't know what you are talking about. There is no evidence. Get a
clue, mans contribution is insignificant compared to the processes in
nature that add and subtract the CO2 levels.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

There is conclusive evidence.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...climate_change

- You can choose to ignore what science says,
- but you cannot claim that scientific opinion
- says something other than what it does.
- Humans are causing the majority of recent warming.
- That is the state of current best scientific knowledge.
- This is not opinion. It is documented fact.

RA - DUH ! - Scientific 'Opinion(s)' is NOT
Indisputable Incontrivertable Scientific Fact [.]

Documenting a Group of Like 'Opinions'
Does Not Make These 'Opinions' Facts.

and thems is the facts ~ rhf
.


Scientific opinion = what the available facts and evidence indicates
after the application of REASON.

What, in the absence of absolute proof, would you use to establish
what's true? Reading tea leaves? Using divining rods?
Praying to the Pink Sky Unicorn?

Sorry, but when the majority of scientists make a statement based on
evidence and reason, it's by far the most likely to be true.

Scientific "opinion" is the closest to fact. I don't know what you're
using, but it's inferior.

-- ross

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On Oct 21, 11:24 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article . com,
Ross Archer wrote:



On Oct 19, 2:58 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
Ross Archer wrote:

On Oct 13, 6:39 pm, wrote:
www.devilfinder.com Scandals of Al Gore

Be sure to scroll down and click on the softwar.net site at the
devilfinder thingy.
(Nobel peace prize my arse! Nowadays only Morons and Idiots win the
Nobel prize,,,,, Gore,Arafat,Jimmah Carter, etc)

Solar Flares and Volcanos (do some research on Solar Flares and
Volcanos) (Mars is warming up too) contribute far more to global warming
than humans ever have, and there is the Van Oort Cloud too.On a scale of
0 to whatever, humans have contrbuted almost Zero to global warming.Rest
assured though, when this spate of global warming is done with, there
will be global cooling.Back in the 1950s and 1960s those scientist were
harping about an ice age is over the horizon.
cuhulin

The thing is, the global cooling part was never generally accepted and
was speculative.

Snip

Let me put your mind at ease. The human contribution to atmospheric CO2
is in the 1% to 2% range compared to natural processes that add and
subtract. No brainer don't you think?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

National and international science academies and professional
societies have assessed the current scientific opinion on climate
change, in particular recent global warming. These assessments have
largely followed or endorsed the IPCC position that "An increasing
body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and
other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger
evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is
attributable to human activities".[1]

This page documents scientific opinion as given by synthesis reports,
scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys
of opinion among climate scientists. It does not document the views of
individual scientists or self-selected lists of individuals such as
petitions.

MOST OF THE WARMING OBSERVED OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO
HUMAN ACTIVITIES.

I'm glad you know so much better than actual scientists.

Pay attention please. The only scientific body making the incredibly
weak claim is the one at the UN. That body is more political than
scientific.

Now wake up if you are able.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California
That's not true. I posted MANY independent sources, which you refuse
to read because you enjoy your ignorance.
Remain ignorant. I am through with such a willfully ignorant
bubblehead.


You are willfully ignorant. I am done with you.

(OT) : The Save Earth Serenity Prayer" {Why Be Damned . . . When You Can Be Blessed ?}
 

On Oct 20, 11:32 pm, Ross Archer wrote:
On Oct 19, 2:58 pm, Telamon





wrote:
In article .com,
Ross Archer wrote:

On Oct 13, 6:39 pm, wrote:
www.devilfinder.com Scandals of Al Gore

Be sure to scroll down and click on the softwar.net site at the
devilfinder thingy.
(Nobel peace prize my arse! Nowadays only Morons and Idiots win the
Nobel prize,,,,, Gore,Arafat,Jimmah Carter, etc)

Solar Flares and Volcanos (do some research on Solar Flares and
Volcanos) (Mars is warming up too) contribute far more to global warming
than humans ever have, and there is the Van Oort Cloud too.On a scale of
0 to whatever, humans have contrbuted almost Zero to global warming..Rest
assured though, when this spate of global warming is done with, there
will be global cooling.Back in the 1950s and 1960s those scientist were
harping about an ice age is over the horizon.
cuhulin

The thing is, the global cooling part was never generally accepted and
was speculative.

Snip

Let me put your mind at ease. The human contribution to atmospheric CO2
is in the 1% to 2% range compared to natural processes that add and
subtract. No brainer don't you think?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

National and international science academies and professional
societies have assessed the current scientific opinion on climate
change, in particular recent global warming. These assessments have
largely followed or endorsed the IPCC position that "An increasing
body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and
other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger
evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is
attributable to human activities".[1]

This page documents scientific opinion as given by synthesis reports,
scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys
of opinion among climate scientists. It does not document the views of
individual scientists or self-selected lists of individuals such as
petitions.


- MOST OF THE WARMING OBSERVED OVER THE LAST
- 50 YEARS IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO HUMAN ACTIVITIES.

This is a Skewed Opinion* based on a 'Selective' Reality.
* Opinion -based on- Half-Truths {Factoring-Out The Unknowns}.
.
DUH ! - Scientific 'Opinion(s)' is NOT
Indisputable Incontrivertable Scientific Fact [.]
* Documenting a Group of Like 'Opinions'
Does Not Make These 'Opinions' Facts.
- - - and thems is the facts ~ rhf
.

I'm glad you know so much better than actual scientists.
.
Two 'separate' things Climate Change -and- Global Warming.
.
Climate Change : What the Earth Does on it's own
along with a lot of help from this Solar System. 98%+
.
Global Warming : The Warming of the Earth Due To
The Activities of Mankind. 2%
.
The Global Warmer's Business Plan Calls For The Monitization
of Pollution - Phase One is Establishing "Carbon Credits" :
First We Must Monetize Pollution {Carbon Credits}
-Cause- Somebody's Got To Pay ! and This Process
of Monetization must Insure that the USA Pays the
Rest of the World to Clean-Up the Worlds Polllution
-because- the usa must pay, {blame the usa}
-Because- The Usa Must Pay. {Blame The Usa}
-BECAUSE- THE USA MUST PAY ! {BLAME THE USA}
.
The 'Operative Word' in your SWAG is 'Observed" meaning
What We Know About and Can Account For . . .
.
Most of Climate Change involves a Process that Mankind
in it's Recorded History has not Experienced. Thus It Is
Un-Know and At Present Can Not Be Accounted For . . .
.
Carl Sagan -Quotes-
"Somewhere, Something Incredible Is Waiting To Be Known."
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/we_are_star/156145.html
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/sagan.htm
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan
.
"Climate Change" in a significant manner may in-fact be
'happening' at this Earth-Age -but- Mankind is 'want' to
have any real impact on it -except to- Adapt and Survive.

=IF= We can Survive the 'Little' Ice Age
http://www.grisda.org/origins/10051.htm
-Then Surely- We can Survive this 'Little' Hot Spot of Nature.

climate change is good and natural :
we love you mother earth ~ RHF

'climate change' hey i invented that ! ~ RHF
.
(OT) : The Save Earth Serenity Prayer"
{Why Be Damned . . . When You Can Be Blessed ?}

Once Again Here Is : The Save Earth Serenity Prayer :
.
The Mental Illness of "Global Warming" is Cooking Mankind's
Brains with Fear and causing them to develop Al-Gore-A-Phobia :
.
The only know 'Cure' is to Accept the Fact that Mankind is
Helpless to Effect Climate Change and that Climate Change
'Exists' with-or-without Mankind.
.
mother earth protect us in this our hour of need
and help us to adapt to climate change - omen ~ RHF
.
CopyRight © 2007 by RHF - All Rights Reserved.
.
the earth existed before mankind
and the earth will exist after mankind;
the age of mankind upon the earth
is but a moment in time;
the earth abides . . . ~ RHF
.

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:42:46 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:52:00 -0700, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:24:05 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Pay attention please. The only scientific body making the incredibly
weak claim is the one at the UN. That body is more political than
scientific.

Now wake up if you are able.

And the AAAS. Are they political as well?

Yes.

Are you?

Not when it comes to an issue such as this.

It's not an "issue". It's a situation which must be addressed.
Time's a wastin'. 12 feet above mean is how many feet above high
tide?

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:19:31 -0700, Ross Archer
wrote:


That's not true. I posted MANY independent sources, which you refuse
to read because you enjoy your ignorance.
Remain ignorant. I am through with such a willfully ignorant
bubblehead.


You are willfully ignorant. I am done with you.

C'mon, the guy volunteered for his lobotomy, give him SOME credit.

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In article ,
David wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:42:46 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:52:00 -0700, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:24:05 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Pay attention please. The only scientific body making the incredibly
weak claim is the one at the UN. That body is more political than
scientific.

Now wake up if you are able.

And the AAAS. Are they political as well?

Yes.

Are you?

Not when it comes to an issue such as this.

It's not an "issue". It's a situation which must be addressed.
Time's a wastin'. 12 feet above mean is how many feet above high
tide?

Baloney 12 feet. Try 2 to 3 feet worst case.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

OT, I'll be Damned
 

In article . com,
Ross Archer wrote:

On Oct 21, 11:24 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article . com,
Ross Archer wrote:



On Oct 19, 2:58 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
Ross Archer wrote:

On Oct 13, 6:39 pm, wrote:
www.devilfinder.com Scandals of Al Gore

Be sure to scroll down and click on the softwar.net site at the
devilfinder thingy.
(Nobel peace prize my arse! Nowadays only Morons and Idiots win the
Nobel prize,,,,, Gore,Arafat,Jimmah Carter, etc)

Solar Flares and Volcanos (do some research on Solar Flares and
Volcanos) (Mars is warming up too) contribute far more to global
warming
than humans ever have, and there is the Van Oort Cloud too.On a
scale of
0 to whatever, humans have contrbuted almost Zero to global
warming.Rest
assured though, when this spate of global warming is done with,
there
will be global cooling.Back in the 1950s and 1960s those scientist
were
harping about an ice age is over the horizon.
cuhulin

The thing is, the global cooling part was never generally accepted
and
was speculative.

Snip

Let me put your mind at ease. The human contribution to atmospheric CO2
is in the 1% to 2% range compared to natural processes that add and
subtract. No brainer don't you think?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

National and international science academies and professional
societies have assessed the current scientific opinion on climate
change, in particular recent global warming. These assessments have
largely followed or endorsed the IPCC position that "An increasing
body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and
other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger
evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is
attributable to human activities".[1]

This page documents scientific opinion as given by synthesis reports,
scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys
of opinion among climate scientists. It does not document the views of
individual scientists or self-selected lists of individuals such as
petitions.

MOST OF THE WARMING OBSERVED OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO
HUMAN ACTIVITIES.

I'm glad you know so much better than actual scientists.

Pay attention please. The only scientific body making the incredibly
weak claim is the one at the UN. That body is more political than
scientific.

Now wake up if you are able.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California
That's not true. I posted MANY independent sources, which you refuse
to read because you enjoy your ignorance.
Remain ignorant. I am through with such a willfully ignorant
bubblehead.


You are willfully ignorant. I am done with you.

You are the useful idiot not me.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California