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IBOCcrock November 15th 07 01:04 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!

RHF November 15th 07 01:55 AM

IBOC Crock -presents- It's Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Time !
 
IBOC Crock -presents- It's Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Time !
Featuring : Record Lows; Arbitron; HD Radio;
and yes Ha! Ha! Eduardo! himself.

-But- No Real Over-the-Air "Free" Radio !

iboc crock you ain't about radio . . .
and here is a short wave goodbye ~ RHF

David Eduardo[_4_] November 15th 07 04:59 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!


And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.



dxAce November 15th 07 09:47 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 


Continuing with the info-mercial, David Frackelton Gleason, who poses as
"Eduardo", and whose employer, Univision, has an interest in HD/IBOC, made it
perfectly clear that he's stuck on stupid and locked on dumb when he wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!


And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998."


1998? Heck, that was before you adopted the "Eduardo" shtick, oh faux one!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



IBOCcrock November 15th 07 11:09 AM

IBOC Crock -presents- It's Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Time !
 
On Nov 14, 8:55 pm, RHF wrote:
IBOC Crock -presents- It's Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Time !
Featuring : Record Lows; Arbitron; HD Radio;
and yes Ha! Ha! Eduardo! himself.

-But- No Real Over-the-Air "Free" Radio !

iboc crock you ain't about radio . . .
and here is a short wave goodbye ~ RHF
.


http://www.fringenyc.org/Part2007/pl...IG%20GUY24.jpg

IBOCcrock November 15th 07 11:13 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Nov 14, 11:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"


http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments


Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!


And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.


"FOLLOW-UP EDISON MEDIA RESEARCH STUDY ON 12-24 RADIO LISTENING SHOWS
SHARP DECREASES IN TSL AND USAGE"

A new study by Edison Media Research shows sharp declines in Time
Spent Listening (TSL), Persons Using Radio (PUR) and most importantly
attitudes about radio among the 12-to-24-age group, the listeners who
represent both terrestrial radio's future and its greatest challenge.



"Six years ago, we presented 'Radio's Futu Today's 12-24 Year
Olds,'" noted Edison President Larry Rosin. "That report, the first
publicly-available study of 12-24 radio listening, urged broadcasters
to take more aggressive steps to fight young-end erosion and cultivate
new users. Now, with iPods, podcasting and Internet radio, today's
12-24 listeners have even more alternatives to terrestrial radio. It
is vital for broadcasters to study this newly-updated data and take
action."

The new study will be published in installments beginning Monday,
Sept. 18 on The Infinite Dial, Edison Media Research's daily blog
covering the future of audio entertainment.

Among the findings of the new study:

· TSL among 12-to-17-year-olds is down 22% since 1993. Weekly TSL at
that time was 65 quarter-hours. By 2000, it had fallen below 60; it is
now 51 quarter-hours per week.

· While much recent attention has been focused on teens who may not be
learning to use radio at all, 18-to-24 TSL has declined by an even
larger percentage (24%). TSL in 1993 was 95 quarter-hours per week; it
is now 72 quarter-hours. Listening 12-24 is falling significantly
faster than among those 25-plus.

· While broadcasters often point to an increase in the raw number of
Persons Using Radio to offset any concern about a decline in TSL, that
number has finally flattened - counteracted by the significant
increase in the number of people who now report no listening to radio
at all. In fact, more than 11% of boys 12-17 now report no weekly
radio listening at all.

· The decline in 12-24 listening dates back to the early 90s -- a time
when few broadcasters were willing to target listeners under 24. While
broadcasters showed a renewed interest in younger targeted formats in
the mid-to-late 90s, recent years have seen a renewed emphasis on gold-
based 25-plus formats and a graying of the programming talent pool.

· Perhaps of most concern, tracking of questions on attitudes about
radio among this crucial group trend down as well. Fewer young people
expect radio to be an important part of their future lives.

http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/a...wup_edison.php

"Radio listening on the decline: StatsCan"

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/MediaNew...291649-cp.html

FMQB:

"Rdio will continue to see TSL decline well into the future as new
generations ... In the United States we are working with the premier
white label social ..."

www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=471098

Nice try - you are in a dying industry!



IBOCcrock November 15th 07 12:02 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Nov 14, 11:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"


http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments


Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!


And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.


http://www.stillsecureafterallthesey...llar_short.jpg

[email protected][_2_] November 15th 07 12:42 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

- Listening to a Sangean DT-120 ; one of three radios I regularly use;

Have another cheap one in my daypack;

Just a reliable source of information & entertainment.

Fcuk MP3 ; you'll sit in traffic forever..




On Nov 14, 8:04 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!



[email protected][_2_] November 15th 07 12:49 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 


ALL the people in Lake Woebegone listen to The Radio. . .




David November 15th 07 01:55 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:59:48 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!


And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.


Your methods are unsound.

D Peter Maus November 15th 07 02:04 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
IBOCcrock wrote:
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!




There is, now, a question about the accuracy of Arbitron's data,
using PPM, as well. And Radio is ****ED.


As much as IBOCcrock has a clearly asserted agenda, and is not
interested in the opposing views, he HAS exposed that there are serious
problems developing for Radio that will affect radios future.

He has also exposed the shills for who they are, and underscored the
questionable veracity of their assertions.



Today...from AllAccess.com:




Major Broadcasters Send Arbitron An Ultimatum

ALL ACCESS has obtained a copy of a letter sent to ARBITRON, and signed
by CLEAR CHANNEL RADIO, CUMULUS MEDIA, COX RADIO and RADIO ONE INC. In
it, the companies urge ARBITRON to address several issues that have been
highlighted in NET NEWS.

Here's the text of that letter:

November 14, 2007
Mr. Steve Morris
Mr. Pierre Bouvard
Mr. Owen Charlebois
The Arbitron Company
142 West 57th Street
New York, NY 10019

Gentlemen,

It is with the utmost urgency and objection that we, your customers,
send you this letter.

All of us have been vocal supporters of the concept of electronic
measurement in radio for several years, and we remain committed to the
need for accurate, high quality electronic ratings as a way to program
and sell our stations. As of this writing, the PPM system has been
implemented in two markets for several months, with one month of
information available in New York. To date, PPM has not provided
accurate or reliable data for all demographic groups.

We are calling on you to take immediate action to resolve this.

The most immediate issue is sample size, especially with regard to 18-34
year olds and ethnic groups. The situation is clear: To secure a
legitimate representation of listener activity, the number of people
participating in the PPM survey must be increased.

Your recent proposal to lower the number of market-level respondents
needed to issue a valid report for a specific demographic is both
specious and dangerous. This proposal could result in some stations
doing business based on the activity of as few as a single -- one --
listener. Your own researchers have concluded that such a sample size
has a greater range of error than the size of the estimate.

There are many ethical and sound business choices that can be made by
Arbitron here. One is to eliminate the 6-11 portion of the sample and
reallocate those meters to participants in other demographics based on a
12+ population.

Under any circumstance, we expect guaranteed in-tab delivery in the
18-54 age group for all age cells and across all ethnic groups,
including Hispanics and African Americans.

Please be aware that this is a critical and immediate issue for your
customers undersigned and we are expecting an action plan to correct
these matters within 30 days.

Urgently,

Clear Channel Radio -- Cumulus Media -- Cox Radio -- Radio One Inc.

When contacted by ALL ACCESS, ARBITRON had "no comment at this time."






dxAce November 15th 07 02:19 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 


D Peter Maus wrote:

IBOCcrock wrote:
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!


There is, now, a question about the accuracy of Arbitron's data,
using PPM, as well. And Radio is ****ED.

As much as IBOCcrock has a clearly asserted agenda, and is not
interested in the opposing views, he HAS exposed that there are serious
problems developing for Radio that will affect radios future.

He has also exposed the shills for who they are, and underscored the
questionable veracity of their assertions.

Today...from AllAccess.com:

Major Broadcasters Send Arbitron An Ultimatum

ALL ACCESS has obtained a copy of a letter sent to ARBITRON, and signed
by CLEAR CHANNEL RADIO, CUMULUS MEDIA, COX RADIO and RADIO ONE INC. In
it, the companies urge ARBITRON to address several issues that have been
highlighted in NET NEWS.

Here's the text of that letter:

November 14, 2007
Mr. Steve Morris
Mr. Pierre Bouvard
Mr. Owen Charlebois
The Arbitron Company
142 West 57th Street
New York, NY 10019

Gentlemen,

It is with the utmost urgency and objection that we, your customers,
send you this letter.

All of us have been vocal supporters of the concept of electronic
measurement in radio for several years, and we remain committed to the
need for accurate, high quality electronic ratings as a way to program
and sell our stations. As of this writing, the PPM system has been
implemented in two markets for several months, with one month of
information available in New York. To date, PPM has not provided
accurate or reliable data for all demographic groups.

We are calling on you to take immediate action to resolve this.

The most immediate issue is sample size, especially with regard to 18-34
year olds and ethnic groups. The situation is clear: To secure a
legitimate representation of listener activity, the number of people
participating in the PPM survey must be increased.

Your recent proposal to lower the number of market-level respondents
needed to issue a valid report for a specific demographic is both
specious and dangerous. This proposal could result in some stations
doing business based on the activity of as few as a single -- one --
listener. Your own researchers have concluded that such a sample size
has a greater range of error than the size of the estimate.

There are many ethical and sound business choices that can be made by
Arbitron here. One is to eliminate the 6-11 portion of the sample and
reallocate those meters to participants in other demographics based on a
12+ population.

Under any circumstance, we expect guaranteed in-tab delivery in the
18-54 age group for all age cells and across all ethnic groups,
including Hispanics and African Americans.

Please be aware that this is a critical and immediate issue for your
customers undersigned and we are expecting an action plan to correct
these matters within 30 days.

Urgently,

Clear Channel Radio -- Cumulus Media -- Cox Radio -- Radio One Inc.

When contacted by ALL ACCESS, ARBITRON had "no comment at this time."


Don't worry, Edweenie will have it all straightened out shortly.



D Peter Maus November 15th 07 02:34 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

IBOCcrock wrote:
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!

There is, now, a question about the accuracy of Arbitron's data,
using PPM, as well. And Radio is ****ED.

As much as IBOCcrock has a clearly asserted agenda, and is not
interested in the opposing views, he HAS exposed that there are serious
problems developing for Radio that will affect radios future.

He has also exposed the shills for who they are, and underscored the
questionable veracity of their assertions.

Today...from AllAccess.com:

Major Broadcasters Send Arbitron An Ultimatum

ALL ACCESS has obtained a copy of a letter sent to ARBITRON, and signed
by CLEAR CHANNEL RADIO, CUMULUS MEDIA, COX RADIO and RADIO ONE INC. In
it, the companies urge ARBITRON to address several issues that have been
highlighted in NET NEWS.

Here's the text of that letter:

November 14, 2007
Mr. Steve Morris
Mr. Pierre Bouvard
Mr. Owen Charlebois
The Arbitron Company
142 West 57th Street
New York, NY 10019

Gentlemen,

It is with the utmost urgency and objection that we, your customers,
send you this letter.

All of us have been vocal supporters of the concept of electronic
measurement in radio for several years, and we remain committed to the
need for accurate, high quality electronic ratings as a way to program
and sell our stations. As of this writing, the PPM system has been
implemented in two markets for several months, with one month of
information available in New York. To date, PPM has not provided
accurate or reliable data for all demographic groups.

We are calling on you to take immediate action to resolve this.

The most immediate issue is sample size, especially with regard to 18-34
year olds and ethnic groups. The situation is clear: To secure a
legitimate representation of listener activity, the number of people
participating in the PPM survey must be increased.

Your recent proposal to lower the number of market-level respondents
needed to issue a valid report for a specific demographic is both
specious and dangerous. This proposal could result in some stations
doing business based on the activity of as few as a single -- one --
listener. Your own researchers have concluded that such a sample size
has a greater range of error than the size of the estimate.

There are many ethical and sound business choices that can be made by
Arbitron here. One is to eliminate the 6-11 portion of the sample and
reallocate those meters to participants in other demographics based on a
12+ population.

Under any circumstance, we expect guaranteed in-tab delivery in the
18-54 age group for all age cells and across all ethnic groups,
including Hispanics and African Americans.

Please be aware that this is a critical and immediate issue for your
customers undersigned and we are expecting an action plan to correct
these matters within 30 days.

Urgently,

Clear Channel Radio -- Cumulus Media -- Cox Radio -- Radio One Inc.

When contacted by ALL ACCESS, ARBITRON had "no comment at this time."


Don't worry, Edweenie will have it all straightened out shortly.





I can hardly wait.


David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 02:12 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:59:48 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!


And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.


Your methods are unsound.


A lot sounder than your politics.



David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 02:14 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
IBOCcrock wrote:

He has also exposed the shills for who they are, and underscored the
questionable veracity of their assertions.


No such thing. We are not pleased with the Arbitron's ability to implement a
sound technique, and the issues are all related to the panelists and the
proportionality of the total panel to each market. Arbitron underestimated
the amount of work needed to create and keep the panels in proportion on all
stratification variables... and subscribers are asking for this to be done
sooner than later.



David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 05:42 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In

posted on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:49:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote: Begin



ALL the people in Lake Woebegone listen to The Radio. . .



But how many of them bother to participate in
Arbitron, Scarborough, Nielson or whomever's surveys?


Nielsen is TV. Scarborough is an extension of Arbitron, who does radio
research.



Ron Hardin November 16th 07 08:11 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
I listen to Limbaugh, at least.

I stream John and Ken as long as I can stand it - the screeching
becomes unbearable after a while if there are commercials as
well (maybe it's the sheer length of the show - the podcasts
are quite tolerable, with the commercials gone). Other than
that, radio's gone in my house.

I may hear Imus on WABC for an hour in the winter, but Citadel
has no stations in Ohio so that's pretty much the prospect of
radio listening these days. There's a case where IBOC really
kills it, with IBOC stations on both 760 and 780.
--


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

David November 16th 07 02:37 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:12:43 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:59:48 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!

And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.


Your methods are unsound.


A lot sounder than your politics.

My politics are completely grounded in the Constitution. If you don't
like it, go back to Venezuela, Komrade.

David November 16th 07 02:39 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:04:12 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

Can the PPM hear inside of earphones? 'Cause I see a lot of people
wearing the earphones these days.

David November 16th 07 02:40 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:14:54 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
IBOCcrock wrote:

He has also exposed the shills for who they are, and underscored the
questionable veracity of their assertions.


No such thing. We are not pleased with the Arbitron's ability to implement a
sound technique, and the issues are all related to the panelists and the
proportionality of the total panel to each market. Arbitron underestimated
the amount of work needed to create and keep the panels in proportion on all
stratification variables... and subscribers are asking for this to be done
sooner than later.


The current system insures mediocrity. The radio is programmed for
fat little girls, because they control the car radio on the way to
school.

David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 03:12 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:12:43 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:59:48 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!

And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology
aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.


Your methods are unsound.


A lot sounder than your politics.

My politics are completely grounded in the Constitution. If you don't
like it, go back to Venezuela, Komrade.


I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.



David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 03:12 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:04:12 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

Can the PPM hear inside of earphones? 'Cause I see a lot of people
wearing the earphones these days.


Yes, there is a provision for that.



David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 03:13 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:14:54 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
IBOCcrock wrote:

He has also exposed the shills for who they are, and underscored the
questionable veracity of their assertions.


No such thing. We are not pleased with the Arbitron's ability to implement
a
sound technique, and the issues are all related to the panelists and the
proportionality of the total panel to each market. Arbitron underestimated
the amount of work needed to create and keep the panels in proportion on
all
stratification variables... and subscribers are asking for this to be done
sooner than later.


The current system insures mediocrity. The radio is programmed for
fat little girls, because they control the car radio on the way to
school.


Demonstrably untrue, as well as the fact that the bulk of radio listening
does not even take place in the car.



dxAce November 16th 07 05:14 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:12:43 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:59:48 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"

http://www.hear2.com/2007/11/radio-l....html#comments

Ha! Ha! Eduardo, HD Radio!

And the article, you frikking liar, says "since 1998." Listening levels
are, currently, at levels as high as in the period from Arbitron's first
radio survey in 1965 well into the 80's, when changes in methodology
aimed
at better measuring minorities and young males, adjusted the levels of
listening.


Your methods are unsound.

A lot sounder than your politics.

My politics are completely grounded in the Constitution. If you don't
like it, go back to Venezuela, Komrade.


I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.


Just like you, retard boy!



David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 07:00 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.


Just like you, retard boy!


The difference being that you have never proven that claim. You are just
negative and argumentative.. as your rants about Canadians, Hispanics,
lifestyle groups, etc., show.

About the only thing you have been "right" about is whether there is a
hyphen or not in the ICOM R-75 or R 75 or R75 model name. That is your
significant lifetime achievement, I guess.



David Eduardo[_4_] November 16th 07 07:05 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In posted on Thu,
15 Nov 2007 21:42:05 -0800, David Eduardo wrote: Begin


"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In

posted on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:49:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote: Begin



ALL the people in Lake Woebegone listen to The Radio. . .



But how many of them bother to participate in
Arbitron, Scarborough, Nielson or whomever's surveys?


Nielsen is TV. Scarborough is an extension of Arbitron, who does radio
research.


Just a load or nitpicking to avoid my point that the number of
respondents to any survey is questionable, especially in the very busy
and preoccupied target 18-34 demographic, which tends to nullify any
significance paid to those numbers.


The only place this is an issue is the New York PPM "trial data" phase,
which is not currency anyway. In the other 280 markets, there is no issue.

The number of respondents "to any survey" is hardly questionable. One
designs a poll based on the economic inability to sample everyone in a
census, and picks a sample size where the margin of error is acceptable in
relation to the cost. The samples in Arbitron and Nielsen are
error-acceptable and cost-justifiable for the stated purpose, which is
placing a value on broadcast time for advertisers. A few percent error does
not affect usability... this is not a political race where one person wins
and everyone else loses. In large markets, dozens of stations "win" by
having a metric to establish pricing.



Steve November 16th 07 07:17 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Nov 16, 2:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.


Just like you, retard boy!


The difference being that you have never proven that claim. You are just
negative and argumentative.. as your rants about Canadians, Hispanics,
lifestyle groups, etc., show.

About the only thing you have been "right" about is whether there is a
hyphen or not in the ICOM R-75 or R 75 or R75 model name. That is your
significant lifetime achievement, I guess.


And I guess yours is trolling a shortwave radio newsgroup. Congrats on
that.

RHF November 16th 07 07:53 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Nov 16, 11:00 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.


Just like you, retard boy!


The difference being that you have never proven that claim. You are just
negative and argumentative.. as your rants about Canadians, Hispanics,
lifestyle groups, etc., show.

- About the only thing you have been "right" about is whether
- there is a hyphen or not in the ICOM R-75 or R 75 or R75
- model name. That is your significant lifetime achievement,
- I guess.

d'Eduardo - Guess Again It Ain't the "ICOM R-75 or R 75 or R75"

It is the properly identified as the "ICOM IC-R75" [.]
http://icomamerica.com/en/products/r...5/default.aspx
http://www.mwcircle.org/res-receiver-icomicr75.htm
http://www.rigpix.com/icom/icr75.htm

A Picture is worth a Hundred Text Messges : "ICOM IC-R75"
Front - http://universal-radio.com/used/u540lrg.jpg
Back - http://universal-radio.com/used/u540rear.jpg

i c - do you ~ RHF

RHF November 16th 07 07:57 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Nov 16, 6:40 am, David wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:14:54 -0800, "David Eduardo"





wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
IBOCcrock wrote:


He has also exposed the shills for who they are, and underscored the
questionable veracity of their assertions.


No such thing. We are not pleased with the Arbitron's ability to implement a
sound technique, and the issues are all related to the panelists and the
proportionality of the total panel to each market. Arbitron underestimated
the amount of work needed to create and keep the panels in proportion on all
stratification variables... and subscribers are asking for this to be done
sooner than later.


The current system insures mediocrity.


- The radio is programmed for fat little girls, because
- they control the car radio on the way to school.


David - Your mornings must be exciting. ~ RHF

dxAce November 16th 07 08:38 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 


David "Yes, I'm retarded and pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.


Just like you, retard boy!


The difference being that you have never proven that claim.


Oh, I certainly have, time after time.

You are just
negative and argumentative.. as your rants about Canadians, Hispanics,
lifestyle groups, etc., show.

About the only thing you have been "right" about is whether there is a
hyphen or not in the ICOM R-75 or R 75 or R75 model name. That is your
significant lifetime , I guess.


Your lifetime achievement has been lying your ass off. Would you like a
"Certificate of Accomplishment" for that?

LMFAO at the faux one!



charlie November 17th 07 01:12 AM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
David Eduardo wrote:
SNIP

Nielsen is TV. Scarborough is an extension of Arbitron, who does radio
research.


The thing about pedants is .... they are pedants.


Charlie.

--
M0WYM
www.radiowymsey.org

David November 17th 07 02:49 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:10 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.

Waaah! The point being that Mexicans have no right to come up here
and criticise the politics of the locals.

David November 17th 07 02:50 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:14:02 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



Just like you, retard boy!


As a retard, I resent that.

David November 17th 07 02:51 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:29 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:04:12 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote:

Can the PPM hear inside of earphones? 'Cause I see a lot of people
wearing the earphones these days.


Yes, there is a provision for that.

As in extra step?

David Eduardo[_4_] November 17th 07 06:17 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:10 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.

Waaah! The point being that Mexicans have no right to come up here
and criticise the politics of the locals.


They have the right to free speech... you use the Constitution only when it
supports your argument, I guess.



David November 17th 07 07:04 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:17:13 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:10 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make things
up.

Waaah! The point being that Mexicans have no right to come up here
and criticise the politics of the locals.


They have the right to free speech... you use the Constitution only when it
supports your argument, I guess.

OK, so you have the right to criticise me, but it's still ridiculously
out-of-place. You are a Cylon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_%28re-imagining%29

David Eduardo[_4_] November 17th 07 08:13 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:17:13 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:10 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make
things
up.

Waaah! The point being that Mexicans have no right to come up here
and criticise the politics of the locals.


They have the right to free speech... you use the Constitution only when
it
supports your argument, I guess.

OK, so you have the right to criticise me, but it's still ridiculously
out-of-place. You are a Cylon.


Of course I have the right. I am a resident of the United States of America.
What is out of place about such a person expressing their opinion?



David Eduardo[_4_] November 17th 07 08:14 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In et posted
on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:17:13 -0800, David Eduardo wrote: Begin


"David" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:10 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make
things
up.

Waaah! The point being that Mexicans have no right to come up here
and criticise the politics of the locals.


They have the right to free speech... you use the Constitution only when
it
supports your argument, I guess.


Reminds me of a neighbor I once had
that would go on and on about how lovely her Nayarit was
until I commented; "sounds nice, bet you can't wait to get back"


That's not particularly correct in "theory." I have good memories of
childhood in Cleveland, Ohio, and enjoy recalling them. But I would rather
live in Bolivia than there, today.



dxAce November 17th 07 08:26 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 


David, "Yes, I'm a prancing pedant, posing as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:17:13 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:10 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make
things
up.

Waaah! The point being that Mexicans have no right to come up here
and criticise the politics of the locals.

They have the right to free speech... you use the Constitution only when
it
supports your argument, I guess.

OK, so you have the right to criticise me, but it's still ridiculously
out-of-place. You are a Cylon.


Of course I have the right. I am a resident of the United States of America.


Only a resident? Did you finally renounce your citizenship?



dxAce November 17th 07 08:38 PM

"Radio listening declines to record low, says Arbitron"
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In et posted
on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:17:13 -0800, David Eduardo wrote: Begin


"David" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:12:10 -0800, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



I am not Venezuelan, nor have I ever lived there.... you just make
things
up.

Waaah! The point being that Mexicans have no right to come up here
and criticise the politics of the locals.

They have the right to free speech... you use the Constitution only when
it
supports your argument, I guess.


Reminds me of a neighbor I once had
that would go on and on about how lovely her Nayarit was
until I commented; "sounds nice, bet you can't wait to get back"


That's not particularly correct in "theory." I have good memories of
childhood in Cleveland, Ohio, and enjoy recalling them. But I would rather
live in Bolivia than there, today.


Yeah, Bolivia! You could pretend to own radio stations there too!

But then the day would come when you'd get your prancing ass tossed outta there
at gunpoint. Where to then?




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