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David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest. Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack of
sales they see no reason to upgrade. It's not like all analog radio
transmissions are going dark in 2009. And it's not like HD stations provide
content that's so compelling listeners can't live without their HD radio
fix. And it doesn't really sound that much better anyway. So far a few radio
hobbyist have invested in HD radio. Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.


And the next generation kids, 12-34 have very little interest in anything
radio. Ipods, cell phones, the Internet and social networking groups are far
more important and interesting to them.

David ask any 12 year old kid if they listen to radio. you won't like the
answer.


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David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest. Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack of
sales they see no reason to upgrade. It's not like all analog radio
transmissions are going dark in 2009. And it's not like HD stations provide
content that's so compelling listeners can't live without their HD radio
fix. And it doesn't really sound that much better anyway. So far a few radio
hobbyist have invested in HD radio. Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.


And the next generation kids, 12-34 have very little interest in anything
radio. Ipods, cell phones, the Internet and social networking groups are far
more important and interesting to them.

David ask any 12 year old kid if they listen to radio. you won't like the
answer.




A 13 year old who cuts my lawn has no radio in his possession. He
listens to mp3's on his cell phone. Or music on his PC. I asked him what
stations he's familiar with, and he could name Mix, B96, and The
Drive...but couldn't tell me what they actually played.

He claims never to have heard AM radio and didn't know what WLS nor
WGN was.
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David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.
Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack
of
sales they see no reason to upgrade.


It could take 10 years for most radios to contain HD technology...but that's
OK.

HD isn't going anywhere.

Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could
have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.


Why does this feel like FM all over again? (Lots of naysayers, but given
time it becomes the accepted standard.)

It's not like AM stereo at all.

The FCC refused to endorse a standard for AM Stereo. Therefore car and
radio manufacturers, radio station owners/operator and listeners were in
charge of picking the technology standard.

With that conundrum, no one did anything...and it took too long, and all
music was gone from the band shortly.

The HD radio technology is different.

The FCC has set a standard, radio station owners/operators have endorsed one
standard, and listeners do not have to make a choice of "which one?" when
buying a radio. Cars are coming off the assembly line now with the one
standard.

Again, people who expected or thought that this technology has to take hold
in 18 months are misinformed.




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David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.
Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack
of
sales they see no reason to upgrade.


It could take 10 years for most radios to contain HD technology...but
that's OK.

HD isn't going anywhere.

Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could
have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.


Why does this feel like FM all over again? (Lots of naysayers, but given
time it becomes the accepted standard.)


FM didn't take over the majority of listening until FM stations approached
the same penetration as existing AM's. In many areas, this wasn't until
large numbers of translators were installed to allow reception in distant
and/or shadow areas (many of these are even within the stations' COL). IBOC
does not have anywhere near the useful coverage area of existing analog.
This is one of it's largest problems. The other big problems are that the
upcoming and a lot of the current target market don't give a damn about
radio in general, commercial radio in particular, and, for those that do,
they are quite happy enough with the signal and quality they already have.
FM offered a sharp increase in fidelity over AM. IBOC does not. It offers
practically nothing on FM as far as increase in quality, and the tradeoff on
AM is that IBOC, when you can use it at all, does decrease noise, but the
sound is poor like a low bitrate mp3.


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David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.
Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack
of
sales they see no reason to upgrade.


It could take 10 years for most radios to contain HD technology...but
that's OK.

HD isn't going anywhere.

Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could
have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.


Why does this feel like FM all over again? (Lots of naysayers, but given
time it becomes the accepted standard.)


FM didn't take over the majority of listening until FM stations approached
the same penetration as existing AM's.


Which occurred when Auto manufactures started installing them in cars (as
standard equipment on many!).

So, it took a while from the technology rolled out to public acceptance.

IBOC does not have anywhere near the useful coverage area of existing
analog. This is one of it's largest problems.


It doesn't have to...it's not replacing analog.

The other big problems are that the upcoming and a lot of the current
target market don't give a damn about radio in general, commercial radio
in particular, and, for those that do, they are quite happy enough with
the signal and quality they already have.


I remember my father telling me I didn't need to spend $35 to get my first
new car equipped with FM Radio.

People didn't really care about that either.

FM offered a sharp increase in fidelity over AM. IBOC does not.


AM IBOC *IS* a great increase in fidelity.

Also offerrs stereo for AM.

It offers practically nothing on FM as far as increase in quality...


Quality won't be the selling point...but the additional stream choices will
be.

and the tradeoff on AM is that IBOC, when you can use it at all, does
decrease noise, but the sound is poor like a low bitrate mp3.


It's better than AM analog...so it's an improvement.





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On Jul 30, 7:05*pm, "A Brown" wrote:
David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.

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It will be interesting to hear the wailing from the TV broadcast industry
and its advertisers after a huge audience is eliminated by forcing the
insane HDTV nonsense down our throats in 2009.

I for one am telling every advertiser I do business with that I will not see
any of their ads after that date.

Jeez, Louise...hundreds of thousands of homes in foreclosure, the ****tiest
economy in my life, $4 for a lousy gallon of gas, a trip to the grocery
store is a painfully expensive process and every one I know has been layed
off.

AND THESE PRICKS THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUSH OUT A BUY EQUIPMENT TO RECEIVE
THEIR ASSININE DIGITAL SYSTEM?

The ones to blame are those in Washington but equally culpable are the
sycophants in the TV industry to sat by and allowed it to happen.

I'm glad I'm not spending any money on TV advertising that few people will
see after 2009.



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Smokey wrote:
It will be interesting to hear the wailing from the TV broadcast industry
and its advertisers after a huge audience is eliminated by forcing the
insane HDTV nonsense down our throats in 2009.

I for one am telling every advertiser I do business with that I will not see
any of their ads after that date.

Jeez, Louise...hundreds of thousands of homes in foreclosure, the ****tiest
economy in my life, $4 for a lousy gallon of gas, a trip to the grocery
store is a painfully expensive process and every one I know has been layed
off.

AND THESE PRICKS THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUSH OUT A BUY EQUIPMENT TO RECEIVE
THEIR ASSININE DIGITAL SYSTEM?

The ones to blame are those in Washington but equally culpable are the
sycophants in the TV industry to sat by and allowed it to happen.

I'm glad I'm not spending any money on TV advertising that few people will
see after 2009.





Well... a couple of things to consider...if you're on cable, it's not
an issue. Cable will convert the ATSC signal to NTSC for you. Probably
with a rate increase in 2009, but, well...that's cable.

If you're on Satellite...it's not an issue, you're already digital.

If you're receiving your TV over the air, converter boxes are
available, with federal subsidies, and coupons for as little as $40.

Full featured ATSC tv's are now available for as little as $500. Many
made the conversion as early as three years ago.

It's going to be, largely, a non-issue.

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D Peter Maus wrote:

Smokey wrote:

It will be interesting to hear the wailing from the TV broadcast industry
and its advertisers after a huge audience is eliminated by forcing the
insane HDTV nonsense down our throats in 2009.


snip

If you're receiving your TV over the air, converter boxes are
available, with federal subsidies, and coupons for as little as $40.


snip
It's going to be, largely, a non-issue.


I sympathize with the O.P.; say goodbye to reliable reception while in
motion; say goodbye to _any_ reception in poor multipath areas; say goodbye
to portable reception without using an insanely power-hungry approach
(and so far no mfg. is addressing this market -- what with smartphones,
etc. it isn't attractive) and say goodbye to reliable emergency television
communications (you would need to do a site survey just to set up
an emergency receiver). sarcasm This spectrum grab is a fiasco and it is sad
that the general public hasn't revolted but the twenty percent or so
who need OTA reception are just an inconsequential minority. /sarcasm

Michael
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