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On Jan 6, 8:58*pm, wrote:
On Jan 6, 8:07 pm, RHF wrote: FO&A, Which Noise Cancelling Antenna Would You Choose ? Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... Why 'Choose' One Noise Cancelling Antenna over the other ? Do You Use One of these Two Noise Cancelling Antennas ? Do You Like the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Do You Get the ResuLts You Wanted with the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Would You Buy a Noise Cancelling Antenna again ? Have You Tried a Noise Cancelling Antenna and Don't Like It ? i want to know - iane ~ RHF *. I have the ANC-4 from back in the day (JPS). It workes with my long wire. I can't get it to work with the Wellbrook though others have claimed to do so.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, My use/application would be with an Inverted "L" Antenna; plus a Snake {Coax Cable} 15 Foot Vertical Antenna located outside as the Noise {Sense} Antenna. ~ RHF |
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On Jan 7, 1:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Jan 6, 8:58*pm, wrote: On Jan 6, 8:07 pm, RHF wrote: FO&A, Which Noise Cancelling Antenna Would You Choose ? Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... Why 'Choose' One Noise Cancelling Antenna over the other ? Do You Use One of these Two Noise Cancelling Antennas ? Do You Like the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Do You Get the ResuLts You Wanted with the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Would You Buy a Noise Cancelling Antenna again ? Have You Tried a Noise Cancelling Antenna and Don't Like It ? i want to know - iane ~ RHF *. I have the ANC-4 from back in the day (JPS). It workes with my long wire. I can't get it to work with the Wellbrook though others have claimed to do so.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, My use/application would be with an Inverted "L" Antenna; plus a Snake {Coax Cable} 15 Foot Vertical Antenna located outside as the Noise {Sense} Antenna. ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have the Timewave unit and like it very much. I use it with a Wellbrook ALA-330S, using an active whip as the 'sense antenna'. It's made a big difference for me and I've never regretted buying it. I've never used the MFJ unit so I can't comment on its effectiveness. |
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On Jan 7, 5:30*am, Steve wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:41*am, RHF wrote: On Jan 6, 8:58*pm, wrote: On Jan 6, 8:07 pm, RHF wrote: FO&A, Which Noise Cancelling Antenna Would You Choose ? Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... Why 'Choose' One Noise Cancelling Antenna over the other ? Do You Use One of these Two Noise Cancelling Antennas ? Do You Like the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Do You Get the ResuLts You Wanted with the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Would You Buy a Noise Cancelling Antenna again ? Have You Tried a Noise Cancelling Antenna and Don't Like It ? i want to know - iane ~ RHF *. I have the ANC-4 from back in the day (JPS). It workes with my long wire. I can't get it to work with the Wellbrook though others have claimed to do so.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, My use/application would be with an Inverted "L" Antenna; plus a Snake {Coax Cable} 15 Foot Vertical Antenna located outside as the Noise {Sense} Antenna. ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -I have the Timewave unit and like it very much. I use it with -a Wellbrook ALA-330S, using an active whip as the 'sense - antenna'. It's made a big difference for me and I've never - regretted buying it. - - I've never used the MFJ unit so I can't comment on its - effectiveness. Addition Thoughts and Comments : One of the things that I like about the MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Antenna {Phasers} is the fact that they have a SO-239 Jack for the Auxiliary {Noise} Antenna. http://www.universal-radio.com/catal.../3542rear.html MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancers http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...amps/3541.html http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Produc...uctid=MFJ-1025 http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Produc...uctid=MFJ-1026 While the Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Canceller uses an RCA Jack for the Noise Antenna [J1] http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...s/0094dia.html Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Canceller http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...ters/0094.html http://www.timewave.com/support/ANC-4/anc4.html I plan on using a 15 Foot Vertical 'Snake' Antenna made out of a single piece of Coax Cable for the Noise {Sense} Antenna with the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. I want this Noise {Sense} Antenna about 25 away from the House to pick-up the local outside Noise. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...0c9dfd1a8b21a2 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...0482421d02e624 15 Feet Vertical Noise {Sense} Antenna o l l l l l F=====================================P- 'o' =End Insulator for Rigging Rope 'l' = 15 Foot Vertical Antenna Element using the Center Conductor and Insulator of the Coax Cable. 'F' = Snap-On Ferrite Bead placed where the Antenna Element begins. '=' = 35+ Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line 'P-' = PL-359 Plug to connect to the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. FWIW - I understand that the MFJ-1025 without the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna is preferred over the MFJ-1025 that has the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna. ~ RHF |
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On Jan 8, 7:22*pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 7, 5:30*am, Steve wrote: On Jan 7, 1:41*am, RHF wrote: On Jan 6, 8:58*pm, wrote: On Jan 6, 8:07 pm, RHF wrote: FO&A, Which Noise Cancelling Antenna Would You Choose ? Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio..com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... Why 'Choose' One Noise Cancelling Antenna over the other ? Do You Use One of these Two Noise Cancelling Antennas ? Do You Like the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Do You Get the ResuLts You Wanted with the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Would You Buy a Noise Cancelling Antenna again ? Have You Tried a Noise Cancelling Antenna and Don't Like It ? i want to know - iane ~ RHF *. I have the ANC-4 from back in the day (JPS). It workes with my long wire. I can't get it to work with the Wellbrook though others have claimed to do so.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, My use/application would be with an Inverted "L" Antenna; plus a Snake {Coax Cable} 15 Foot Vertical Antenna located outside as the Noise {Sense} Antenna. ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -I have the Timewave unit and like it very much. I use it with -a Wellbrook ALA-330S, using an active whip as the 'sense - antenna'. It's made a big difference for me and I've never - regretted buying it. - - I've never used the MFJ unit so I can't comment on its - effectiveness. Addition Thoughts and Comments : One of the things that I like about the MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Antenna {Phasers} is the fact that they have a SO-239 Jack for the Auxiliary {Noise} Antenna.http://www.universal-radio.com/catal.../3542rear.html MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1025http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1026 While the Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Canceller uses an RCA Jack for the Noise Antenna [J1]http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/0094dia.html Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.timewave.com/support/ANC-4/anc4.html I plan on using a 15 Foot Vertical 'Snake' Antenna made out of a single piece of Coax Cable for the Noise {Sense} Antenna with the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. I want this Noise {Sense} Antenna about 25 away from the House to pick-up the local outside Noise.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...0482421d02e624 15 Feet Vertical Noise {Sense} Antenna o l l l l l F=====================================P- 'o' =End Insulator for Rigging Rope 'l' = 15 Foot Vertical Antenna Element using the Center Conductor and Insulator of the Coax Cable. 'F' = Snap-On Ferrite Bead placed where the Antenna Element begins. '=' = 35+ Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line 'P-' = PL-359 Plug to connect to the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. FWIW - I understand that the MFJ-1025 without the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna is preferred over the MFJ-1025 that has the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna. ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I suggest that you keep an open mind about what serves as your noise antenna. You might find that the coax antenna described above is just the ticket. However, I hope you'll at least try a few different kinds of antennas, or a few different configurations/lengths of your wire antenna, to see what works best most of the time. You might be surprised! |
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On Jan 8, 4:52*pm, Steve wrote:
On Jan 8, 7:22*pm, RHF wrote: On Jan 7, 5:30*am, Steve wrote: On Jan 7, 1:41*am, RHF wrote: On Jan 6, 8:58*pm, wrote: On Jan 6, 8:07 pm, RHF wrote: FO&A, Which Noise Cancelling Antenna Would You Choose ? Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... Why 'Choose' One Noise Cancelling Antenna over the other ? Do You Use One of these Two Noise Cancelling Antennas ? Do You Like the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Do You Get the ResuLts You Wanted with the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Would You Buy a Noise Cancelling Antenna again ? Have You Tried a Noise Cancelling Antenna and Don't Like It ? i want to know - iane ~ RHF *. I have the ANC-4 from back in the day (JPS). It workes with my long wire. I can't get it to work with the Wellbrook though others have claimed to do so.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, My use/application would be with an Inverted "L" Antenna; plus a Snake {Coax Cable} 15 Foot Vertical Antenna located outside as the Noise {Sense} Antenna. ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -I have the Timewave unit and like it very much. I use it with -a Wellbrook ALA-330S, using an active whip as the 'sense - antenna'. It's made a big difference for me and I've never - regretted buying it. - - I've never used the MFJ unit so I can't comment on its - effectiveness. Addition Thoughts and Comments : One of the things that I like about the MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Antenna {Phasers} is the fact that they have a SO-239 Jack for the Auxiliary {Noise} Antenna.http://www.universal-radio.com/catal.../3542rear.html MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... While the Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Canceller uses an RCA Jack for the Noise Antenna [J1]http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/0094dia.html Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... I plan on using a 15 Foot Vertical 'Snake' Antenna made out of a single piece of Coax Cable for the Noise {Sense} Antenna with the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. I want this Noise {Sense} Antenna about 25 away from the House to pick-up the local outside Noise.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e30c9dfd1a8b21... 15 Feet Vertical Noise {Sense} Antenna o l l l l l F=====================================P- 'o' =End Insulator for Rigging Rope 'l' = 15 Foot Vertical Antenna Element using the Center Conductor and Insulator of the Coax Cable. 'F' = Snap-On Ferrite Bead placed where the Antenna Element begins. '=' = 35+ Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line 'P-' = PL-359 Plug to connect to the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. FWIW - I understand that the MFJ-1025 without the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna is preferred over the MFJ-1025 that has the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna. ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - - - I suggest that you keep an open mind about what serves - as your noise antenna. You might find that the coax antenna - described above is just the ticket. However, I hope you'll at - least try a few different kinds of antennas, or a few different - configurations/lengths of your wire antenna, to see what - works best most of the time. You might be surprised! - Steve - That is all very true. Three Different Noise "Sense" Antennas To Use For Noise Cancelling Antennas With An Antenna Phaser. Noise "Sense" Antenna # 1 - Short Vertical Antenna : The short 15 Foot Vertical Antenna is a good 'starting-point' : Since a Vertical Antenna should 'Sense' equally in all directions {omni-directional} from all noise sources that surround it. Both the MFJ and Timewave-JPS Boxes have a Noise Antenna "Gain" Adjustment so hopefully 15 Feet will be in the useful Range of this Gain Control. Otherwise, I will have to shorten it down to 5 Feet and try again. But, if I do shorten it down to 5 Feet : I still want the Top-End to be at about 15 Feet above the surface of the ground; meaning that part of the Coax Cable will also be part of the Vertical-Up-Leg. Noise "Sense" Antenna # 1S - Shorter Vertical Antenna Five Feet (5') Vertical Noise {Sense} Antenna o - 15 Feet above the ground l l F ll ll ll ll===========================P- Ground Level 'o' =End Insulator for Rigging Rope 'l' = 5 Foot Vertical Antenna Element using the Center Conductor and Inner Insulator of the Coax Cable. 'F' = Snap-On Ferrite Bead placed where the Antenna Element begins and the Outer-Shield Ends. 'll' and '=' = 45 Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line 'P-' = PL-359 Plug to connect to the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. Noise "Sense" Antenna # 2 - Short Dipole Antenna Beyond the 15 Foot Vertical Antenna; I have also though of trying a Short 6-Foot Tip-to-Tip Dipole Antenna mounted on a 10 Foot piece of PVC Pipe and directly wired to a Coax Cable feed-in-line. Manually position the Dipole Antenna one-time for the Best Noise Pick-up and Cancellation. Noise "Sense" Antenna # 3 - One-Metre Loop Antenna Next might come a single-turn One-Metre Loop Antenna; again mounted on a 10 Foot piece of PVC Pipe and directly Wired to a Coax Cable feed-in-line. Manually position the Loop Antenna one-time for the Best Noise Pick-up and Cancellation. ~ RHF |
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On Jan 8, 4:22 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 7, 5:30 am, Steve wrote: On Jan 7, 1:41 am, RHF wrote: On Jan 6, 8:58 pm, wrote: On Jan 6, 8:07 pm, RHF wrote: FO&A, Which Noise Cancelling Antenna Would You Choose ? Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... Why 'Choose' One Noise Cancelling Antenna over the other ? Do You Use One of these Two Noise Cancelling Antennas ? Do You Like the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Do You Get the ResuLts You Wanted with the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Would You Buy a Noise Cancelling Antenna again ? Have You Tried a Noise Cancelling Antenna and Don't Like It ? i want to know - iane ~ RHF . I have the ANC-4 from back in the day (JPS). It workes with my long wire. I can't get it to work with the Wellbrook though others have claimed to do so.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, My use/application would be with an Inverted "L" Antenna; plus a Snake {Coax Cable} 15 Foot Vertical Antenna located outside as the Noise {Sense} Antenna. ~ RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -I have the Timewave unit and like it very much. I use it with -a Wellbrook ALA-330S, using an active whip as the 'sense - antenna'. It's made a big difference for me and I've never - regretted buying it. - - I've never used the MFJ unit so I can't comment on its - effectiveness. Addition Thoughts and Comments : One of the things that I like about the MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Antenna {Phasers} is the fact that they have a SO-239 Jack for the Auxiliary {Noise} Antenna.http://www.universal-radio.com/catal.../3542rear.html MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1025http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1026 While the Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Canceller uses an RCA Jack for the Noise Antenna [J1]http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/0094dia.html Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.timewave.com/support/ANC-4/anc4.html I plan on using a 15 Foot Vertical 'Snake' Antenna made out of a single piece of Coax Cable for the Noise {Sense} Antenna with the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. I want this Noise {Sense} Antenna about 25 away from the House to pick-up the local outside Noise.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...0482421d02e624 15 Feet Vertical Noise {Sense} Antenna o l l l l l F=====================================P- 'o' =End Insulator for Rigging Rope 'l' = 15 Foot Vertical Antenna Element using the Center Conductor and Insulator of the Coax Cable. 'F' = Snap-On Ferrite Bead placed where the Antenna Element begins. '=' = 35+ Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line 'P-' = PL-359 Plug to connect to the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. FWIW - I understand that the MFJ-1025 without the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna is preferred over the MFJ-1025 that has the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna. ~ RHF . Shouldn't the noise antenna be a vertical whip? |
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On Jan 8, 11:08*pm, wrote:
On Jan 8, 4:22 pm, RHF wrote: On Jan 7, 5:30 am, Steve wrote: On Jan 7, 1:41 am, RHF wrote: On Jan 6, 8:58 pm, wrote: On Jan 6, 8:07 pm, RHF wrote: FO&A, Which Noise Cancelling Antenna Would You Choose ? Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... Why 'Choose' One Noise Cancelling Antenna over the other ? Do You Use One of these Two Noise Cancelling Antennas ? Do You Like the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Do You Get the ResuLts You Wanted with the Noise Cancelling Antenna ? Would You Buy a Noise Cancelling Antenna again ? Have You Tried a Noise Cancelling Antenna and Don't Like It ? i want to know - iane ~ RHF *. I have the ANC-4 from back in the day (JPS). It workes with my long wire. I can't get it to work with the Wellbrook though others have claimed to do so.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, My use/application would be with an Inverted "L" Antenna; plus a Snake {Coax Cable} 15 Foot Vertical Antenna located outside as the Noise {Sense} Antenna. ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -I have the Timewave unit and like it very much. I use it with -a Wellbrook ALA-330S, using an active whip as the 'sense - antenna'. It's made a big difference for me and I've never - regretted buying it. - - I've never used the MFJ unit so I can't comment on its - effectiveness. Addition Thoughts and Comments : One of the things that I like about the MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Antenna {Phasers} is the fact that they have a SO-239 Jack for the Auxiliary {Noise} Antenna.http://www.universal-radio.com/catal.../3542rear.html MFJ-1025/1026 Noise Cancelling Enhancershttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/3541.htmlhttp://www.mf... While the Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Canceller uses an RCA Jack for the Noise Antenna [J1]http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/0094dia.html Timewave [JPS] ANC-4 RF Noise Cancellerhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/filters/0094.htmlhttp://www.ti... I plan on using a 15 Foot Vertical 'Snake' Antenna made out of a single piece of Coax Cable for the Noise {Sense} Antenna with the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. I want this Noise {Sense} Antenna about 25 away from the House to pick-up the local outside Noise.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e30c9dfd1a8b21... 15 Feet Vertical Noise {Sense} Antenna o l l l l l F=====================================P- 'o' =End Insulator for Rigging Rope 'l' = 15 Foot Vertical Antenna Element using the Center Conductor and Insulator of the Coax Cable. 'F' = Snap-On Ferrite Bead placed where the Antenna Element begins. '=' = 35+ Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line 'P-' = PL-359 Plug to connect to the Noise Cancelling Combiner/Phaser. FWIW - I understand that the MFJ-1025 without the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna is preferred over the MFJ-1025 that has the little built-in Whip {Noise} Antenna. ~ RHF *. - - Shouldn't the noise antenna be a vertical whip? - M...Sushi - Yes and No - Well May-Be-So ! Yes for a general One Whip {Vertical} Antenna "Fits" many 'possible' Noise Source Needs - When the Location and Direction of the Noise Source is Not Known. The Whip {Vertical} Antenna will in-fact collect all signals equally and be very effective for most local Noise Cancelling uses. * This would be a Two Sigma [95%] solution to the vast majority of Home Radio Shack and/or Amateur Radio Station needs for 'local' Noise Reduction {Cancellation}. The Whip {Vertical} Antenna is a One-Size-Fits-All solution for a Simple and Practical {Cost Effective} Noise Antenna and is very easy for the End-User to use and get good results. KISAP - Keep It Simple And Practical When the Location and Direction of the 'local' Noise Source is Known; or when the Noise is Severe : Then a more directional Noise Source Antenna may be used to 'pin-point' the Source of the Noise and Optimize the Noise Cancellation Totally and Completely : In these cases a Dipole Antenna or Loop Antenna can be used to better Focus in on the Noise Source and Tune It Out; to the exclusion of other Noise Sources not in the same direction. * This would be a Three Sigma [99.73%] solution to the small number of Home Radio Shack and/or Amateur Radio Station needs for complete elimination of 'local' Noise is the objective. The Dipole and Loop Antennas are not a One-Size-Fits-All Solution : not simple to implement; not always practical to use; they cost more; and are more dificult for the End-User to use; but when done right can yield super results. * ITALOWTGIR - It Takes A Lot Of Work To Get It Right. Hence - Start with the Whip or Vertical Antenna and build on your personal experience until you are satisfied with your Noise Reduction {Cancellation} efforts to optimize your Radio Listening and Enjoyment. ~ RHF |
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