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David Eduardo wrote:
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The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the
onset of noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get
KNX HD for news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was
unlistenable due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent
a lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.
That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car. Less than 20% of all
cars are Toyotas... and the average US car is 8 years old. Automotive is
part of it, but clock radios, office radios, kitchen radios, portables, etc.
are where most listening takes place.



Why would someone listen to hideous over the air commercial radio at
home if they have broadband and access to thousands of few or none
commercials stations?

The reason CC doesn't put their stuff on Shoutcast is that they'd rather
not call attention to the competition.

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:55:41 GMT, "David Eduardo"
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And if memory serves, KNX also dropped the amount of power to their AM
broadcasts when they started using the HD format.

Nope.Check the FCC webpage and find the KNX license It is still 50 kw.

I fired the last salvo too soon, was thinking of 790 KABC which has
become a bit problematic in terms of reception. Noticable in the car,
not at home, and several friends have made the same comment. Damn I
hate getting old......or is that forgetfull.......oh hell.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

Does it's existence on the web make it real?

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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I was able to carry KFYI 550 to within 15 miles of Quartzite along the 10
in
full stereo HD several times.

So you can get 2 stations in HD then? That's not much for $350.

My interest is not particularly limited to AM (although 710, 720, 1110, etc.
are receivable by me) but to FM for HD2 reception. I listen to the station I
am most involved with in programming in HD all the time.

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"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
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The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW.
I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't
know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I
already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond
the onset of noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could
get KNX HD for news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal
was unlistenable due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly
spent a lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.
That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car. Less than 20% of all
cars are Toyotas... and the average US car is 8 years old. Automotive is
part of it, but clock radios, office radios, kitchen radios, portables,
etc. are where most listening takes place.

Why would someone listen to hideous over the air commercial radio at home
if they have broadband and access to thousands of few or none commercials
stations?

Why not do what I do and ask them? A lot has to do with the talent (in my
case, Piolin, Buenos Dias Recuerdo, Omar 6 Argelia, Luis Jimenez, Amalia
Gonzalez, La Peligrosa, Serralde, Alfredo Contigo, etc., etc.) who
entertain, as well as the miusic... and the fact that the music is selected
by frequent consultation with local listeners for local tastes.

The reason CC doesn't put their stuff on Shoutcast is that they'd rather
not call attention to the competition.

Huh? Whether it is on Shoutcast or another site, anyone who wanted to hear
them could.

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The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

Does it's existence on the web make it real?

Well gee whiz does your stating it make it real?

No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

Baloney. No link, no news equals BS. Show me a link from a semiconductor
company that is working on this. Put up or shut up.

As I said, the heads of several of the companies that own iBiquity made
comments about this 12 days ago in LA. It exists, Samsung has shown the
prototypes and the people who need to know, the factories that turn out mass
market radios, are in the loop.

Yes, I read those comments from the CES show. They were along the lines
of wouldn't it be nice if sometime in the future the parts existed. This
is not much different than saying if we all got along we could have
world peace tomorrow so Kumbya to you too.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with
specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

If you watch the web stream, it was sepcifically referred to.

Similarly, if you "were there" at the CES, you know Samsung was offering the
chip to a variety of manufacturers of radios and audio devices.

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with
specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

If you watch the web stream, it was sepcifically referred to.

Similarly, if you "were there" at the CES, you know Samsung was offering the
chip to a variety of manufacturers of radios and audio devices.

I read the Samsung press releases and the HD radio chip was not
mentioned. I read the CES press releases and the HD radio on a chip was
not mentioned. Analog radio on a chip yes. HD TV on a chip yes. Other
types of chips yes.

If you know of a link to a semiconductor company or a show like CES
about a HD radio chip then post it otherwise put a sock in it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with
specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all
received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

If you watch the web stream, it was sepcifically referred to.

Similarly, if you "were there" at the CES, you know Samsung was offering
the
chip to a variety of manufacturers of radios and audio devices.

I read the Samsung press releases and the HD radio chip was not
mentioned. I read the CES press releases and the HD radio on a chip was
not mentioned. Analog radio on a chip yes. HD TV on a chip yes. Other
types of chips yes.

If you know of a link to a semiconductor company or a show like CES
about a HD radio chip then post it otherwise put a sock in it.

There is no press release; the chip is being promoted to manufacturers, not
the public.

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David Eduardo wrote:

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On Feb 9, 6:53?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car.

"On Radio: Car audio has quite a past and future"

"The percentage is even higher for certain times of the day such as
6-10 a.m. weekdays (37 percent, just behind home listening) and 3-7
p.m. weekdays (more than 44 percent)."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/325...diobeat26.html

Are you really in the broadcast business?

Those figures look like local, Seattle data taken out of context and,
perhaps, for a limited demographic.

In car listening is around or under a third of all listening.

In New York, in car listening ranges, book to book, from 24% to 27% of
listening. In the world's car capital, Los Angeles, in car is 33%. In
smaller markets, where commute times are lower, the figure is around 30%.

Unlike you, I have actual access to data from many, many Arbitron markets.

When will you have access to those QSL's.. er, veries?