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"Chrysler to put WiMax into its cars"

Recommend article:Detroit (MI) - Chrysler is working on what the
company calls "advanced in-vehicle wireless communications" that will
be based on cellular, Wi-Fi and WiMax technologies.

Chrysler may have been a bit slow adopting electronic gadgets for its
vehicles in the past few years, but the company plans to be on the
forefront when the next wireless technology is rolled out.

"We recognize that customers are spending more and more time in their
vehicles, and that the automobile is becoming much like an additional
room in the home or office," said Frank Klegon, executive vice
president for product development at Chrysler. "To address this
evolving reality, Chrysler vehicles will soon boast an unprecedented
level of vehicle connectivity, delivering a wide array of important
communications features directly to our customers, in their vehicles."
Chrysler believes that wireless connectivity will also increase the
security of cars.

In fact, specifically the intent to integrate WiMax into cars comes
very early, even before the technology has become generally available
to business and home users.

So, what exactly is WiMax expected to bring to the driver and
passengers of a car? Of course, general availability and a greater
bandwidth than cellphone networks makes this technology an attractive
tool to increase data communication: Chrysler envisions that future
GPS systems will feature satellite imagery downloaded from the
Internet as well as automatic wireless map updates, real time weather
information. Downloads to in-car entertainment centers can also
include service reminders, Internet search, e-mail access, and online
shopping - which will include the availability of fee-based multimedia
content. On the service side, an always-on broadband connection could
be used to download software patches to virtually any electronic
module in a car.

"Chrysler's in-vehicle communications strategy will continue to focus
on creating a safe-driving environment through practical innovations,
while enabling customers to choose a variety of features they want,"
said Klegon. "Chrysler's connectivity solutions will deliver
simplicity, security, freedom and flexibility," the executive
promised.

He said that Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles will be getting WiMax
connectivity "over the next few years."

WiMax services are expected to be rolled out in the U.S. this year.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35601/145/

SUCKA - it's over for HD Radio!

EDUARDO - Chrysler to put WiMax into its cars
 

In article
,
IBOCcrock wrote:

"Chrysler to put WiMax into its cars"

Recommend article:Detroit (MI) - Chrysler is working on what the
company calls "advanced in-vehicle wireless communications" that will
be based on cellular, Wi-Fi and WiMax technologies.

Chrysler may have been a bit slow adopting electronic gadgets for its
vehicles in the past few years, but the company plans to be on the
forefront when the next wireless technology is rolled out.

"We recognize that customers are spending more and more time in their
vehicles, and that the automobile is becoming much like an additional
room in the home or office," said Frank Klegon, executive vice
president for product development at Chrysler. "To address this
evolving reality, Chrysler vehicles will soon boast an unprecedented
level of vehicle connectivity, delivering a wide array of important
communications features directly to our customers, in their vehicles."
Chrysler believes that wireless connectivity will also increase the
security of cars.

In fact, specifically the intent to integrate WiMax into cars comes
very early, even before the technology has become generally available
to business and home users.

So, what exactly is WiMax expected to bring to the driver and
passengers of a car? Of course, general availability and a greater
bandwidth than cellphone networks makes this technology an attractive
tool to increase data communication: Chrysler envisions that future
GPS systems will feature satellite imagery downloaded from the
Internet as well as automatic wireless map updates, real time weather
information. Downloads to in-car entertainment centers can also
include service reminders, Internet search, e-mail access, and online
shopping - which will include the availability of fee-based multimedia
content. On the service side, an always-on broadband connection could
be used to download software patches to virtually any electronic
module in a car.

"Chrysler's in-vehicle communications strategy will continue to focus
on creating a safe-driving environment through practical innovations,
while enabling customers to choose a variety of features they want,"
said Klegon. "Chrysler's connectivity solutions will deliver
simplicity, security, freedom and flexibility," the executive
promised.

He said that Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles will be getting WiMax
connectivity "over the next few years."

WiMax services are expected to be rolled out in the U.S. this year.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35601/145/

SUCKA - it's over for HD Radio!

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

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On Feb 9, 4:10 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.


Eddie - have you taken your meds today?

jw

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

I'm not talking about promoting. If you visit the Samsung semiconductor
site they have announcements for all chip developments. All I saw were
analog radio on a chip for AMBCB and FMBCB.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Snip

Was it an option or standard equipment?

How KOGO 600? Can you get that in HD?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

I'm not talking about promoting. If you visit the Samsung semiconductor
site they have announcements for all chip developments. All I saw were
analog radio on a chip for AMBCB and FMBCB.

I'm beginning to think that 'Eduardo' has a chip implanted in his head, and that he
hears 'voices'...

EDUARDO - Chrysler to put WiMax into its cars
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.



That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

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In article ,
David wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
..
.
The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.



That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

There is the very teensy problem of it actually EXISTING.

Yes it is a SMALL matter but important.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:10:58 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

And if memory serves, KNX also dropped the amount of power to their AM
broadcasts when they started using the HD format.

EDUARDO - Chrysler to put WiMax into its cars
 

On Feb 9, 4:10�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

....



The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

"Renowned Cambridge SoundWorks HD Radio Designer Explains HD Radio"

"HD Radio broadcasts require a consistent, stronger signal than analog
broadcasts... Below the minimum required signal le vel, the HD Radio
program switches back to the analog signal... There is a limit to how
far you can be from a transmitter and still receive an HD Radio
transmission. For flat land with no obstructions, this limit could be
as far away as 20-25 miles. For hilly terrain, the limit may drop to
10-15 miles. For the strongest signal within 20 miles of a radio
transmitter, the user should position the provided 30 inch dipole
antenna either horizontally or vertically along a wall or window."

http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=87

"Questions About High Definition HD Radio"

Q: Why do I get drop-outs or silences on the HD2 Services?

A: This is a sign of marginal signal strength at your radio. It is
important to remember that the HD Radio multicast channels (HD2, HD3,
etc), unlike the HD1 channel, do not have an analog signal for the
radio to 'fall-back to' when digital reception is lost. So a listener
with marginal reception that is losing the digital signal will
experience periods of silence until the signal is regained.

http://www.wpr.org/hd/hd_faq.cfm

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In article
,
IBOCcrock wrote:

On Feb 9, 4:10?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

..
.



The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

"Renowned Cambridge SoundWorks HD Radio Designer Explains HD Radio"

"HD Radio broadcasts require a consistent, stronger signal than analog
broadcasts... Below the minimum required signal le vel, the HD Radio
program switches back to the analog signal... There is a limit to how
far you can be from a transmitter and still receive an HD Radio
transmission. For flat land with no obstructions, this limit could be
as far away as 20-25 miles. For hilly terrain, the limit may drop to
10-15 miles. For the strongest signal within 20 miles of a radio
transmitter, the user should position the provided 30 inch dipole
antenna either horizontally or vertically along a wall or window."

http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=87

"Questions About High Definition HD Radio"

Q: Why do I get drop-outs or silences on the HD2 Services?

A: This is a sign of marginal signal strength at your radio. It is
important to remember that the HD Radio multicast channels (HD2, HD3,
etc), unlike the HD1 channel, do not have an analog signal for the
radio to 'fall-back to' when digital reception is lost. So a listener
with marginal reception that is losing the digital signal will
experience periods of silence until the signal is regained.

http://www.wpr.org/hd/hd_faq.cfm

This bring up another question of why they don't have indicators to show
you what is happening. I guess that would take all the fun out of it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW.
I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't
know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset
of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent
a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

I'm not talking about promoting. If you visit the Samsung semiconductor
site they have announcements for all chip developments. All I saw were
analog radio on a chip for AMBCB and FMBCB.

The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW.
I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't
know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset
of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Snip

Was it an option or standard equipment?

Mine had it installed on the lot. Which is funny, as my dealer is a good 70
miles from the closest HD station.

How KOGO 600? Can you get that in HD?

I live in the Pasadena-Glendale area, and KOGO is a nosy catch at best
there. I am inland, and off the coastal plain area of good conductivity.

I was able to carry KFYI 550 to within 15 miles of Quartzite along the 10 in
full stereo HD several times.

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"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the
onset of noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get
KNX HD for news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was
unlistenable due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent
a lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car. Less than 20% of all
cars are Toyotas... and the average US car is 8 years old. Automotive is
part of it, but clock radios, office radios, kitchen radios, portables, etc.
are where most listening takes place.

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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:10:58 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset
of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent
a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

And if memory serves, KNX also dropped the amount of power to their AM
broadcasts when they started using the HD format.

Nope.Check the FCC webpage and find the KNX license It is still 50 kw.

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On Feb 9, 6:53�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the
onset of noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get
KNX HD for news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was
unlistenable due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent
a lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. �And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car. Less than 20% of all
cars are Toyotas... and the average US car is 8 years old. Automotive is
part of it, but clock radios, office radios, kitchen radios, portables, etc.
are where most listening takes place.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car.

"On Radio: Car audio has quite a past and future"

"The percentage is even higher for certain times of the day such as
6-10 a.m. weekdays (37 percent, just behind home listening) and 3-7
p.m. weekdays (more than 44 percent)."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/325...diobeat26.html

Are you really in the broadcast business?

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"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
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On Feb 9, 6:53?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car.

"On Radio: Car audio has quite a past and future"

"The percentage is even higher for certain times of the day such as
6-10 a.m. weekdays (37 percent, just behind home listening) and 3-7
p.m. weekdays (more than 44 percent)."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/325...diobeat26.html

Are you really in the broadcast business?

Those figures look like local, Seattle data taken out of context and,
perhaps, for a limited demographic.

In car listening is around or under a third of all listening.

In New York, in car listening ranges, book to book, from 24% to 27% of
listening. In the world's car capital, Los Angeles, in car is 33%. In
smaller markets, where commute times are lower, the figure is around 30%.

Unlike you, I have actual access to data from many, many Arbitron markets.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW.
I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't
know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset
of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent
a
lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.

I'm not talking about promoting. If you visit the Samsung semiconductor
site they have announcements for all chip developments. All I saw were
analog radio on a chip for AMBCB and FMBCB.

The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..

The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW.
I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't
know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.


My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond
the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the onset
of
noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get KNX HD for
news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was unlistenable
due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Snip

Was it an option or standard equipment?

Mine had it installed on the lot. Which is funny, as my dealer is a good 70
miles from the closest HD station.

I checked the BMW site. It's a $350 option.

How KOGO 600? Can you get that in HD?

I live in the Pasadena-Glendale area, and KOGO is a nosy catch at best
there. I am inland, and off the coastal plain area of good conductivity.

I was able to carry KFYI 550 to within 15 miles of Quartzite along the 10 in
full stereo HD several times.

So you can get 2 stations in HD then? That's not much for $350.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW. I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond the
onset of noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could get
KNX HD for news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal was
unlistenable due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly spent
a lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.
That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car. Less than 20% of all
cars are Toyotas... and the average US car is 8 years old. Automotive is
part of it, but clock radios, office radios, kitchen radios, portables, etc.
are where most listening takes place.



Why would someone listen to hideous over the air commercial radio at
home if they have broadband and access to thousands of few or none
commercials stations?

The reason CC doesn't put their stuff on Shoutcast is that they'd rather
not call attention to the competition.

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wrote:


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And if memory serves, KNX also dropped the amount of power to their AM
broadcasts when they started using the HD format.

Nope.Check the FCC webpage and find the KNX license It is still 50 kw.

I fired the last salvo too soon, was thinking of 790 KABC which has
become a bit problematic in terms of reception. Noticable in the car,
not at home, and several friends have made the same comment. Damn I
hate getting old......or is that forgetfull.......oh hell.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

Does it's existence on the web make it real?

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

I was able to carry KFYI 550 to within 15 miles of Quartzite along the 10
in
full stereo HD several times.

So you can get 2 stations in HD then? That's not much for $350.

My interest is not particularly limited to AM (although 710, 720, 1110, etc.
are receivable by me) but to FM for HD2 reception. I listen to the station I
am most involved with in programming in HD all the time.

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"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
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The only car manufacturer I know of that is promoting HD radio is BMW.
I
have heard the BMW commercials on AM radio as my source but I don't
know
if it is an option or standard or any other details. Could be just
promotional BS. I'm not interested enough to follow up on it. I
already
waisted my time on the Samsung site looking for vaporware.

My X5 has HD. Third generation and marvelous. Takes FMs in HD to and
beyond the useful analog contour, and AMs on clean frequencies beyond
the onset of noise on analog. During the storms two weeks ago, I could
get KNX HD for news well into Riverside County, while the analog signal
was unlistenable due to the lightening and atmospherics.

Samsung does not promote the HD chip to consumers. It has certainly
spent a lot of time with iBiquity and its shareholders, though.
That's all well and good, but unless Toyota makes it standard it ain't
gonna fly. And they won't and it won't, unless Ibiquity pays them big
bongos to do it, like the satcasters did.

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car. Less than 20% of all
cars are Toyotas... and the average US car is 8 years old. Automotive is
part of it, but clock radios, office radios, kitchen radios, portables,
etc. are where most listening takes place.

Why would someone listen to hideous over the air commercial radio at home
if they have broadband and access to thousands of few or none commercials
stations?

Why not do what I do and ask them? A lot has to do with the talent (in my
case, Piolin, Buenos Dias Recuerdo, Omar 6 Argelia, Luis Jimenez, Amalia
Gonzalez, La Peligrosa, Serralde, Alfredo Contigo, etc., etc.) who
entertain, as well as the miusic... and the fact that the music is selected
by frequent consultation with local listeners for local tastes.

The reason CC doesn't put their stuff on Shoutcast is that they'd rather
not call attention to the competition.

Huh? Whether it is on Shoutcast or another site, anyone who wanted to hear
them could.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

Does it's existence on the web make it real?

Well gee whiz does your stating it make it real?

No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

Baloney. No link, no news equals BS. Show me a link from a semiconductor
company that is working on this. Put up or shut up.

As I said, the heads of several of the companies that own iBiquity made
comments about this 12 days ago in LA. It exists, Samsung has shown the
prototypes and the people who need to know, the factories that turn out mass
market radios, are in the loop.

Yes, I read those comments from the CES show. They were along the lines
of wouldn't it be nice if sometime in the future the parts existed. This
is not much different than saying if we all got along we could have
world peace tomorrow so Kumbya to you too.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with
specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

If you watch the web stream, it was sepcifically referred to.

Similarly, if you "were there" at the CES, you know Samsung was offering the
chip to a variety of manufacturers of radios and audio devices.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...


No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with
specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

If you watch the web stream, it was sepcifically referred to.

Similarly, if you "were there" at the CES, you know Samsung was offering the
chip to a variety of manufacturers of radios and audio devices.

I read the Samsung press releases and the HD radio chip was not
mentioned. I read the CES press releases and the HD radio on a chip was
not mentioned. Analog radio on a chip yes. HD TV on a chip yes. Other
types of chips yes.

If you know of a link to a semiconductor company or a show like CES
about a HD radio chip then post it otherwise put a sock in it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...


No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with
specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all
received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

If you watch the web stream, it was sepcifically referred to.

Similarly, if you "were there" at the CES, you know Samsung was offering
the
chip to a variety of manufacturers of radios and audio devices.

I read the Samsung press releases and the HD radio chip was not
mentioned. I read the CES press releases and the HD radio on a chip was
not mentioned. Analog radio on a chip yes. HD TV on a chip yes. Other
types of chips yes.

If you know of a link to a semiconductor company or a show like CES
about a HD radio chip then post it otherwise put a sock in it.

There is no press release; the chip is being promoted to manufacturers, not
the public.

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David Eduardo wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
On Feb 9, 6:53?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car.

"On Radio: Car audio has quite a past and future"

"The percentage is even higher for certain times of the day such as
6-10 a.m. weekdays (37 percent, just behind home listening) and 3-7
p.m. weekdays (more than 44 percent)."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/325...diobeat26.html

Are you really in the broadcast business?

Those figures look like local, Seattle data taken out of context and,
perhaps, for a limited demographic.

In car listening is around or under a third of all listening.

In New York, in car listening ranges, book to book, from 24% to 27% of
listening. In the world's car capital, Los Angeles, in car is 33%. In
smaller markets, where commute times are lower, the figure is around 30%.

Unlike you, I have actual access to data from many, many Arbitron markets.

When will you have access to those QSL's.. er, veries?

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dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
On Feb 9, 6:53?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car.

"On Radio: Car audio has quite a past and future"

"The percentage is even higher for certain times of the day such as
6-10 a.m. weekdays (37 percent, just behind home listening) and 3-7
p.m. weekdays (more than 44 percent)."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/325...diobeat26.html

Are you really in the broadcast business?

Those figures look like local, Seattle data taken out of context and,
perhaps, for a limited demographic.

In car listening is around or under a third of all listening.

In New York, in car listening ranges, book to book, from 24% to 27% of
listening. In the world's car capital, Los Angeles, in car is 33%. In
smaller markets, where commute times are lower, the figure is around 30%.

Unlike you, I have actual access to data from many, many Arbitron markets.

When will you have access to those QSL's.. er, veries?

You remember... the ones you've been lying about!

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..


No, but the industry leaders spoke of it two weeks ago in LA, with
specific
reference to the chipset that the investors in iBiquity have all
received
news about.

Yes they did mention it in a very nebulous way.

If you watch the web stream, it was sepcifically referred to.

Similarly, if you "were there" at the CES, you know Samsung was offering
the
chip to a variety of manufacturers of radios and audio devices.

I read the Samsung press releases and the HD radio chip was not
mentioned. I read the CES press releases and the HD radio on a chip was
not mentioned. Analog radio on a chip yes. HD TV on a chip yes. Other
types of chips yes.

If you know of a link to a semiconductor company or a show like CES
about a HD radio chip then post it otherwise put a sock in it.

There is no press release; the chip is being promoted to manufacturers, not
the public.

That doesn't matter. If they are intent on releasing it for production
they would have a press release saying so.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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dxAce wrote:
Unlike you, I have actual access to data from many, many Arbitron markets.
When will you have access to those QSL's.. er, veries?

You remember... the ones you've been lying about!




Will you be posting all your military discharge papers on a web page
soon? I'm sure we'd all like to see them...just to be sure, you understand..






mike

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m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:
Unlike you, I have actual access to data from many, many Arbitron markets.
When will you have access to those QSL's.. er, veries?

You remember... the ones you've been lying about!



Will you be posting all your military discharge papers on a web page
soon? I'm sure we'd all like to see them...just to be sure, you understand..

Just as soon as you post the papers from Health CanaDuh showing all the
medications you are on, oh mentally ill one!

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On Feb 9, 7:23�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...
On Feb 9, 6:53?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Less than a third of radio listening is in the car.

"On Radio: Car audio has quite a past and future"

"The percentage is even higher for certain times of the day such as
6-10 a.m. weekdays (37 percent, just behind home listening) and 3-7
p.m. weekdays (more than 44 percent)."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/325...diobeat26.html

Are you really in the broadcast business?

Those figures look like local, Seattle data taken out of context and,
perhaps, for a limited demographic.

In car listening is around or under a third of all listening.

In New York, in car listening ranges, book to book, from 24% to 27% of
listening. In the world's car capital, Los Angeles, in car is 33%. In
smaller markets, where commute times are lower, the figure is around 30%.

Unlike you, I have actual access to data from many, many Arbitron markets.

It's amazing how you manage to put your bull**** spin on everything.

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On Feb 9, 9:35�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

....



The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

Does it's existence on the web make it real?

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

The new Colby PORTABLE HD Radio has only 5 hours of battery life - so
much for your low-power HD chipsets.

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"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
On Feb 9, 9:35?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

Does it's existence on the web make it real?

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

The new Colby PORTABLE HD Radio has only 5 hours of battery life - so
much for your low-power HD chipsets.

There is no radio with the new chipset yet. The chips will ship in quantity
in Q2 of 2008 and there should be stock in stores by the end of Q3 of this
year.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
On Feb 9, 9:35?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



The chip was widely promoted at the CES.
Show me a link so I can read about it then.
Does it's existence on the web make it real?

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

The new Colby PORTABLE HD Radio has only 5 hours of battery life - so
much for your low-power HD chipsets.

There is no radio with the new chipset yet. The chips will ship in quantity
in Q2 of 2008 and there should be stock in stores by the end of Q3 of this
year.



9 mA is almost 4 times the current draw of XM's best chip, and that only
lasts 3 or 4 hours.

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On Feb 10, 12:24�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...
On Feb 9, 9:35?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"Telamon" wrote in message

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The chip was widely promoted at the CES.

Show me a link so I can read about it then.

Does it's existence on the web make it real?

The fact is that Samsung has worked with iBiquity on the chip, and they
announced its development and availability schedule at the CES to the
interested parties. There are two more single chip 9 mm low power
consumption chips from other fabs accepting orders now, too.

The new Colby PORTABLE HD Radio has only 5 hours of battery life - so
much for your low-power HD chipsets.

There is no radio with the new chipset yet. The chips will ship in quantity
in Q2 of 2008 and there should be stock in stores by the end of Q3 of this
year.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No one is going to want them - what a waste of resources. Either
radio, or HD Radio will be dead by then.

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dxAce wrote:

Will you be posting all your military discharge papers on a web page
soon? I'm sure we'd all like to see them...just to be sure, you understand..

Just as soon as you post the papers from Health CanaDuh showing all the
medications you are on, oh mentally ill one!



So..it's OK for you to demand proof from others but you yourself don't
feel the need to verify ANYTHING.

Interesting.

Will you be posting the amounts of all your Insurance settlements over
the years? It's almost time to get more money Ace, spring is just around
the corner and house could use another coat of paint.

Forty or Fifty Grand for walking in front of another car! Isn't it a
great country?

mike