For Telamon
 

http://www.rwonline.com/ shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article.

For Telamon
 

On Feb 22, 2:51�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
http://www.rwonline.com/shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article..

"Don''t be put off by high power drain"

"I have just purchased my second Bush DAB radio (I left the first in a
hotel room and never had it returned) I have also owned the Ferguson
version which, I believe is the same but for the case and battery
compartment (Ferg uses 3 AAs). Yes they do use a lot of power but this
is understandable as the units use Digital to analogue converters
which are very power hungrydevices (feel the heat coming off your Sky
Box!). The trick is to use rechargable batteries (we should all do
this anyway for environmental reasons) - I use mine in bed every night
and frequently fall asleep with the unit on; using 2700 mAhr batteries
I get about 2 nights sleep out of them - Just have two sets - one on
charge and one on drain."

http://tinyurl.com/2uxork

"Nokia Music Internet Radio: Listen to the World Through Internet
Radio"

http://europe.nokia.com/A4668051

No matter what, digital to analogue converters are battery-hogs. No
one, is going to be interested in HD chipsets with cell phone
providers starting to provide access to Internet Radio. LOL!

For Telamon
 

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
On Feb 22, 2:51?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
http://www.rwonline.com/shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash
and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the
power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES,
including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both
consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire
article.

"Don''t be put off by high power drain"

None of the receivers with these new chips is even shipping, you idiot.

For Telamon
 

On Feb 22, 4:20�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...
On Feb 22, 2:51?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/showsthe cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash
and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the
power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES,
including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both
consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire
article.

"Don''t be put off by high power drain"

None of the receivers with these new chips is even shipping, you idiot.

No **** - they will still be battery-hogs. Did I state that I thought
that they had shipped - can you say "obsfucation"?

For Telamon
 

On Feb 22, 4:20�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...
On Feb 22, 2:51?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/showsthe cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash
and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the
power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES,
including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both
consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire
article.

"Don''t be put off by high power drain"

None of the receivers with these new chips is even shipping, you idiot.

The article was about DAB receivers, not HD Radio receivers, you idiot!

For Telamon
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/ shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article.

I don't have subscription but I did just subscribe.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/ shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article.

I looked at the SiPort web page and the company is just a shell company
composed of management types. The news and events page just states "stay
tuned." This has not changed since last spring when I looked them up.
http://www.siport.com/news.htm

I can only find two Radio World articles about them from last spring and
one even older article about them here from 2005, which is a press
release from the CEO.
http://www.intelportfolio.com/CPS/CoProfile.aspx?co_id=962

The Samsung semiconductor web page does not have these part numbers. The
prefix does not appear to be a part of their part numbering scheme. Try
your luck here and let me know if you find anything.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...ctsearch/param
etricsearch/ProductSearch_ParametricSearch_List.html

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

In article
,
Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/ shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the
power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article.

I looked at the SiPort web page and the company is just a shell company
composed of management types. The news and events page just states "stay
tuned." This has not changed since last spring when I looked them up.
http://www.siport.com/news.htm

I can only find two Radio World articles about them from last spring and
one even older article about them here from 2005, which is a press
release from the CEO.
http://www.intelportfolio.com/CPS/CoProfile.aspx?co_id=962

The Samsung semiconductor web page does not have these part numbers. The
prefix does not appear to be a part of their part numbering scheme. Try
your luck here and let me know if you find anything.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...ctsearch/param
etricsearch/ProductSearch_ParametricSearch_List.html

Pardon me for replying to my own post but here is some information from
TI. The following link is their concept HD radio, which could also be
used for other digital radio formats such as DRM. The information here
is kind of dated. TI produces entire lines of DSP/CPU chips that can be
programed to do just just about anything you would want.

What is significant to note here is that they have not developed a
reference design, or have application notes, and have not developed any
specific tools for this application. Since iBiquity owns this
proprietary software scheme you would have to have a license for a copy
on the EEPROM in the block diagram.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/solution/fo...P=OTC-dsp_solu
tions_newsletter&HQS=Other+NL+dmedianewsaug06contr ibhd#pr

Note that the news release at the bottom is 2/6/2006.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:
http://www.rwonline.com/ shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article.



That's 20 times too much power. That would drain a cellphone in a
couple hours.

For Telamon
 

IBOCcrock wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:51�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
http://www.rwonline.com/shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article.

"Don''t be put off by high power drain"

"I have just purchased my second Bush DAB radio (I left the first in a
hotel room and never had it returned) I have also owned the Ferguson
version which, I believe is the same but for the case and battery
compartment (Ferg uses 3 AAs). Yes they do use a lot of power but this
is understandable as the units use Digital to analogue converters
which are very power hungrydevices (feel the heat coming off your Sky
Box!). The trick is to use rechargable batteries (we should all do
this anyway for environmental reasons) - I use mine in bed every night
and frequently fall asleep with the unit on; using 2700 mAhr batteries
I get about 2 nights sleep out of them - Just have two sets - one on
charge and one on drain."

http://tinyurl.com/2uxork

"Nokia Music Internet Radio: Listen to the World Through Internet
Radio"

http://europe.nokia.com/A4668051

No matter what, digital to analogue converters are battery-hogs. No
one, is going to be interested in HD chipsets with cell phone
providers starting to provide access to Internet Radio. LOL!

XM receivers have DACs and use less than 10 mA.

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
On Feb 22, 4:20?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...
On Feb 22, 2:51?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/showsthe cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around
a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash
and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the
power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES,
including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both
consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.
If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire
article.
"Don''t be put off by high power drain"

None of the receivers with these new chips is even shipping, you idiot.

The article was about DAB receivers, not HD Radio receivers, you idiot!

It is about HD chips, HD receivers and the integration of HD into
multipurpose devices. There is no DAB band nor DAB stations in the US. The
article mentioned that the chips could integrate DRM, DAB, HD and other
devices for the international market


One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.

Since then, Sirius and XM filled the void. Radio has been bleeding red
ever since.

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.
Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is being
proposed about the "chip".

Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping, it´s
shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.


The point is it is not going to be in mobile phones, Walkmans, MP3
players, or any other truly portable device until they figure out how to
decode the mess efficiently. This won't happen until demand reaches a
critical mass, which won't happen without mobile devices. I can buy a
radio for around a buck that'll tune AM/FM and run for several days on a
single AA battery.

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.
Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is
being
proposed about the "chip".
Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for broadcasting,
and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip working
in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping, it´s
shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.
There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

The website has little abstracts of the magazine content, but to get the
full magazine, you have to qualify. Get the magazine if you can. It answers
all your questions.
Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary otherwise shut the hell up.
I'm not taking your word for it. It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.


No, it's time for you to stop objecting to every piece of evidence by asking
for more evidence or by disbelieving actual facts. Radio World is the
journal of record for radio broadcast engineering. If you are so
insignificant as to not even be able to obtain the magazine, that's not my
problem.

All the information about HD developments shown at the CES are in Radio
World, in an edition with several lengthy articles about HD developments
that is so extensive that it discusses the power requirements of each of the
chips in different operating situations.


http://www.eetimes.com/TechSearch/Se...&Search=Search

A search here reveals no revolutionary developments in the HD Radio/IBOC
chip universe.

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:


It's copyright. Quoting the entire article, which is three pages long, would
be illegal. That may not bother you, but I am in the industry and there is
both a legal and ethical issue there. I'm surprised you even suggest it, but
it confirms my impression of you.

Oh, pu-lease...

For Telamon
 

dave wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.
Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is
being
proposed about the "chip".
Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for
broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip
working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping,
it´s shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.
There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

The website has little abstracts of the magazine content, but to get the
full magazine, you have to qualify. Get the magazine if you can. It
answers all your questions.
Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary otherwise shut the hell up.
I'm not taking your word for it. It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.


No, it's time for you to stop objecting to every piece of evidence by
asking for more evidence or by disbelieving actual facts. Radio World is
the journal of record for radio broadcast engineering. If you are so
insignificant as to not even be able to obtain the magazine, that's not
my problem.

All the information about HD developments shown at the CES are in Radio
World, in an edition with several lengthy articles about HD developments
that is so extensive that it discusses the power requirements of each of
the chips in different operating situations.



http://www.eetimes.com/TechSearch/Se...&Search=Search

A search here reveals no revolutionary developments in the HD Radio/IBOC
chip universe.

Using the right search criteria ("digital radio")can lead you to this
article.
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...leID=205205995
Note the reference to Samsung in the article.

For Telamon
 

On Feb 23, 1:48�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

....





In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.

Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is
being
proposed about the "chip".

Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for broadcasting,
and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip working
in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping, it�s
shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.

There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

The website has little abstracts of the magazine content, but to get the
full magazine, you have to qualify. Get the magazine if you can. It answers
all your questions.



Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary otherwise shut the hell up.
I'm not taking your word for it. It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.

No, it's time for you to stop objecting to every piece of evidence by asking
for more evidence or by disbelieving actual facts. Radio World is the
journal of record for radio broadcast engineering. If you are so
insignificant as to not even be able to obtain the magazine, that's not my
problem.

All the information about HD developments shown at the CES are in Radio
World, in an edition with several lengthy articles about HD developments
that is so extensive that it discusses the power requirements of each of the
chips in different operating situations.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No one cares about the empty HD developements and vaporwear HD
chipsets that no one except a few loser MP3 and cell phone companies
will care about. Steve Jobs doesn't want it and his iPod makes up 80 -
90% of the MP3 players. LOL!

For Telamon
 

On Feb 22, 9:33�pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
�"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article.

I looked at the SiPort web page and the company is just a shell company
composed of management types. The news and events page just states "stay
tuned." This has not changed since last spring when I looked them up.
http://www.siport.com/news.htm

I can only find two Radio World articles about them from last spring and
one even older article about them here from 2005, which is a press
release from the CEO.
http://www.intelportfolio.com/CPS/CoProfile.aspx?co_id=962

The Samsung semiconductor web page does not have these part numbers. The
prefix does not appear to be a part of their part numbering scheme. Try
your luck here and let me know if you find anything.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...ctsearch/param
etricsearch/ProductSearch_ParametricSearch_List.html

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

No peeps out of SiPort - I think this is all a farce by Struble to
keep this dead-horse technology limping along.

For Telamon
 

On Feb 22, 11:13�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...
On Feb 22, 4:20?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

...
On Feb 22, 2:51?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/showsthecover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around
a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash
and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the
power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES,
including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both
consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire
article.

"Don''t be put off by high power drain"

None of the receivers with these new chips is even shipping, you idiot.
The article was about DAB receivers, not HD Radio receivers, you idiot!

It is about HD chips, HD receivers and the integration of HD into
multipurpose devices. There is no DAB band nor DAB stations in the US. The
article mentioned that the chips could integrate DRM, DAB, HD and other
devices for the international market- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

These chips are vaporwear, Eduardo! And, no one is going to want these
battery-hogs, anyway!

IBOC : For Telamon - About The Samsung "HD" Radio Chip
 

On Feb 23, 4:44�am, RHF wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:42�pm, Telamon





wrote:
In article ,
�"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.

Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is being
proposed about the "chip".

Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping, it�s
shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.

There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

- Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary
- otherwise shut the hell up.
- I'm not taking your word for it.
- It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

Telamon,

1 - Your 'attempt to be Bombastic* here does nothing to Advance
your Arguement. [ Makes you sound like the loser. ]

* An Agressive Emotional Reaction -when- Confronted with Facts.

2 - Plus it Helps to make d'Eduardo appear to be more Creditable.
[ Makes him 'sound' like he is Winning. ]

just trying to be helpful ~ RHF
�.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're the pot calling the kettle black!

For Telamon
 

On Feb 22, 2:51�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
http://www.rwonline.com/shows the cover of the current Radio World
magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip, built around a
SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A main processor and flash and
RAM memory and which is currently available. The article discusses the power
requirements and all kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including
the SiPort chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for integrated
devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the entire article..

"XM receivers have DACs and use less than 10 mA."

Ha! Ha! He shut you up, Eduardo! You should have never started this
thread!

IBOC : Real News About The Samsung "HD" Radio Chip {Second Source}
 

On Feb 23, 6:17*am, craigm wrote:
dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

.... In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

....



You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.
Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is
being
proposed about the "chip".
Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for
broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip
working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping,
it´s shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.
There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

The website has little abstracts of the magazine content, but to get the
full magazine, you have to qualify. Get the magazine if you can. It
answers all your questions.
Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary otherwise shut the hell up.
I'm not taking your word for it. It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.

No, it's time for you to stop objecting to every piece of evidence by
asking for more evidence or by disbelieving actual facts. Radio World is
the journal of record for radio broadcast engineering. If you are so
insignificant as to not even be able to obtain the magazine, that's not
my problem.

All the information about HD developments shown at the CES are in Radio
World, in an edition with several lengthy articles about HD developments
that is so extensive that it discusses the power requirements of each of
the chips in different operating situations.

http://www.eetimes.com/TechSearch/Se...EE+Times&Site+...

A search here reveals no revolutionary developments in the HD Radio/IBOC
chip universe.
-
- Using the right search criteria ("digital radio")
- can lead you to this article.

- http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...leID=205205995

- Note the reference to Samsung in the article.

-Note- Dropping "Telamon" from the Subject-Line -because-
We now have a Second Source and a Second Sourcer for
the "Samsung Chip" -ps- It could be real . . .

A Big "TYVM" to CraigM for his Post and Info ~ RHF

IBOC : Real News About The Samsung "HD" Radio Chip {Second Source}
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-ra...1edb7fc7b535c1

EE Times : Terrestrial Digital [HD] Radio Goes Mobile
http://tinyurl.com/26vkeu -by- Junko Yoshida
CopyRight © 2008 CMP Media LLC

Part 2 - From the Car to the PalmTop
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...5205995&pgno=2

Here is a Related Link : http://tinyurl.com/2hhrua
Data and Audio Processing for HD Radio
-by- John Gardner, Texas Instruments

like it or not - the truth is out there ~ RHF

IBOC : For Telamon - About The Samsung "HD" Radio Chip
 

On Feb 23, 7:16Â*am, wrote:
On Feb 23, 4:44�am, RHF wrote:





On Feb 22, 10:42�pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,
�"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.

Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is being
proposed about the "chip".

Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping, it�s
shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.

There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

- Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary
- otherwise shut the hell up.
- I'm not taking your word for it.
- It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

Telamon,

1 - Your 'attempt to be Bombastic* here does nothing to Advance
your Arguement. [ Makes you sound like the loser. ]

* An Agressive Emotional Reaction -when- Confronted with Facts.

2 - Plus it Helps to make d'Eduardo appear to be more Creditable.
[ Makes him 'sound' like he is Winning. ]

just trying to be helpful ~ RHF
�.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
-
- You're the pot

-ps- I Don't Do "Pot".

- calling the kettle black!

My Kettle has a Copper Bottom : Just like my Shortwave
Radio Listening (SWL) Antennas are made of Copper Wire.

Yes Pocket Radio - I am many things . . .
and one of those things is that I enjoy
"Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio ~ RHF

For Telamon
 

"dave" wrote in message
...
One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.


Eureka did not even get to the NAB level; the band in the US is reserved for
military uses. It has failed miserably in canada, too.

Since then, Sirius and XM filled the void. Radio has been bleeding red
ever since.

No, satellite has been bleeding. Clear Channel had EBITDA of $1.8 billion
last year while the satellite companies collectively lost $1.6 billion.

Radio billings were up 2% last year.

For Telamon
 

wrote in message
...
On Feb 22, 11:13?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

These chips are vaporwear, Eduardo! And, no one is going to want these
battery-hogs, anyway!

The chips are shipping, as announced at the CES by Samsung.

For Telamon
 

craigm wrote:




Looks to me like the Samsung chipset is klunky compared to the competitor:

"...Samsung's HD Radio baseband processor, based on Tensilica's
programmable core, integrates the baseband, memory, SDRAM and flash in a
system-in-package measuring 9 x 9 mm. Including the companion RF chip,
the chip set's total power consumption is 150 mW...

....Sunder Velamuri, vice president of marketing at SiPort, said power
dissipation of the mixed-signal device is expected to be "around 100 mW
in typical configurations." He added that the chip, essentially "a
software radio," can tune and demodulate not only analog AM/FM and HD
Radio but also DAB and DMB-T, making it ready for the global market.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is fabricating the device..."

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.


Eureka did not even get to the NAB level; the band in the US is reserved for
military uses. It has failed miserably in canada, too.

Since then, Sirius and XM filled the void. Radio has been bleeding red
ever since.

No, satellite has been bleeding. Clear Channel had EBITDA of $1.8 billion
last year while the satellite companies collectively lost $1.6 billion.

Radio billings were up 2% last year.


Everybody's bleeding 'cept for me and my monkey.

IBOC : For Telamon
 

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On Feb 22, 9:28*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





*Telamon wrote:
In article
,
*Telamon wrote:

In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/shows the cover of the current Radio
World magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip,
built around a SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A
main processor and flash and RAM memory and which is currently
available. The article discusses the power requirements and all
kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including the SiPort
chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for
integrated devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the
entire article.

I looked at the SiPort web page and the company is just a shell company
composed of management types. The news and events page just states
"stay
tuned." This has not changed since last spring when I looked them up.
http://www.siport.com/news.htm

I can only find two Radio World articles about them from last spring
and
one even older article about them here from 2005, which is a press
release from the CEO.
http://www.intelportfolio.com/CPS/CoProfile.aspx?co_id=962

The Samsung semiconductor web page does not have these part numbers.
The
prefix does not appear to be a part of their part numbering scheme. Try
your luck here and let me know if you find anything.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...oductsearch/pa..
.

Pardon me for replying to my own post but here is some information from
TI. The following link is their concept HD radio, which could also be
used for other digital radio formats such as DRM. The information here
is kind of dated. TI produces entire lines of DSP/CPU chips that can be
programed to do just just about anything you would want.

What is significant to note here is that they have not developed a
reference design, or have application notes, and have not developed any
specific tools for this application. Since iBiquity owns this
proprietary software scheme you would have to have a license for a copy
on the EEPROM in the block diagram.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/solution/folders/print/8.html?DCMP=OTC-dsp_s...

Note that the news release at the bottom is 2/6/2006.

- Probably the only way I'm going to have a technical
- discussion is with myself.

Telamon,

Then make it a Non-Technical {little-less-technical} discussion
so that the rest of us Not-So-Technical Readers can follow-a-long.
Know your Readers and write to a Level that they can Understand.

keep it simple and practicle {kisap} ~ RHF
.

Maybe I should start with words no longer than 8 letters. Bummer, I
could not use the word technical then.

That brings me the better idea that you get educated in SWL, radios,
antennas, and the technology used to make them happen.

Or you could just leave. I like this idea the best. Go with it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBOC : For Telamon
 

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On Feb 23, 1:23*am, RHF wrote:
On Feb 22, 9:28*pm, Telamon





wrote:
In article
,

*Telamon wrote:
In article
,
*Telamon wrote:

In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

http://www.rwonline.com/showsthe cover of the current Radio
World magazine, where the lead article is about the Samsung chip,
built around a SHDR100A peripheral processor and the SDHR200A
main processor and flash and RAM memory and which is currently
available. The article discusses the power requirements and all
kinds of other HD developments shown at CES, including the SiPort
chip, which is also available to manufacturers now. Both consume
between 120 and 180 mW of power. Both chips are intended for
integrated devices.

If you qualify for an online subscription, you can read the
entire article.

I looked at the SiPort web page and the company is just a shell
company
composed of management types. The news and events page just states
"stay
tuned." This has not changed since last spring when I looked them up.
http://www.siport.com/news.htm

I can only find two Radio World articles about them from last spring
and
one even older article about them here from 2005, which is a press
release from the CEO.
http://www.intelportfolio.com/CPS/CoProfile.aspx?co_id=962

The Samsung semiconductor web page does not have these part numbers.
The
prefix does not appear to be a part of their part numbering scheme.
Try
your luck here and let me know if you find anything.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...oductsearch/pa
...

Pardon me for replying to my own post but here is some information from
TI. The following link is their concept HD radio, which could also be
used for other digital radio formats such as DRM. The information here
is kind of dated. TI produces entire lines of DSP/CPU chips that can be
programed to do just just about anything you would want.

What is significant to note here is that they have not developed a
reference design, or have application notes, and have not developed any
specific tools for this application. Since iBiquity owns this
proprietary software scheme you would have to have a license for a copy
on the EEPROM in the block diagram.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/solution/fo...DCMP=OTC-dsp_s..
.

Note that the news release at the bottom is 2/6/2006.

- Probably the only way I'm going to have a technical
- discussion is with myself.

Telamon,

Then make it a Non-Technical {little-less-technical} discussion
so that the rest of us Not-So-Technical Readers can follow-a-long.
Know your Readers and write to a Level that they can Understand.

- keep it simple and practicle {kisap} ~ RHF

-sp- "practical"

I don't think the subject matter can be conveyed using Leggo blocks.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

In article ,
craigm wrote:

dave wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
You obviously know less about component marketing than you pretend to
know.
Really? What have I written that shows you I don't know what I write
about here?

This article was written last spring 3/1/07. Everything written is
being
proposed about the "chip".
Radio World is the authoritative technical publication for
broadcasting, and
has been for some time. If their reporters say they saw the chip
working in
a prototype, the chip exists and works. If they say it is shipping,
it´s shipping.

References to a TI project that did not develop several years ago are
irrelevant and an attempt to obfuscate.
There is nothing on the SiPort or Sansung web sites to indicate that a
"chip" that has been developed or shipping. There is nothing on the
Radio World web site to indicate that they saw a prototype working. All
statements I have read on the Radio World web site were promotional
forward looking statements.

The website has little abstracts of the magazine content, but to get the
full magazine, you have to qualify. Get the magazine if you can. It
answers all your questions.
Now I want a link or a quote to the contrary otherwise shut the hell up.
I'm not taking your word for it. It is put up or shut up time Eduardo.


No, it's time for you to stop objecting to every piece of evidence by
asking for more evidence or by disbelieving actual facts. Radio World is
the journal of record for radio broadcast engineering. If you are so
insignificant as to not even be able to obtain the magazine, that's not
my problem.

All the information about HD developments shown at the CES are in Radio
World, in an edition with several lengthy articles about HD developments
that is so extensive that it discusses the power requirements of each of
the chips in different operating situations.



http://www.eetimes.com/TechSearch/Se...Site+ID=EE+Tim
es&queryText=IBOC&Search.x=14&Search.y=10&Search=S earch

A search here reveals no revolutionary developments in the HD Radio/IBOC
chip universe.

Using the right search criteria ("digital radio")can lead you to this
article.
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...SNDLPCK HSCJU
NN2JVN?articleID=205205995
Note the reference to Samsung in the article.

Which references the same few news releases I have already seen from
earlier 2007, which promise future development. There are no press
releases that state these promises have actually happened. There are no
specification sheets, no application notes, no reference design
examples, no number to call to get samples.

These parts are vaporware.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

craigm wrote:



Looks to me like the Samsung chipset is klunky compared to the competitor:

"...Samsung's HD Radio baseband processor, based on Tensilica's
programmable core, integrates the baseband, memory, SDRAM and flash in a
system-in-package measuring 9 x 9 mm. Including the companion RF chip,
the chip set's total power consumption is 150 mW...

...Sunder Velamuri, vice president of marketing at SiPort, said power
dissipation of the mixed-signal device is expected to be "around 100 mW
in typical configurations." He added that the chip, essentially "a
software radio," can tune and demodulate not only analog AM/FM and HD
Radio but also DAB and DMB-T, making it ready for the global market.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is fabricating the device..."

There are no chips developed for HD radio. Sansung and TI have some
years old notes on how you can use a set of their respective general
purpose chips DSP/CPU and analog baseband devices to make an HD radio.
For these parts to work as an HD radio they need additional support
devices and the license to use the ibiquity software. A lot of power
must be used to drive all this.

That's not what it says. It says it uses ca. 100 mW in "typical
configurations". It says it "can tune and demodulate" so I would think
any "additional support devices" wouldn't be that big a deal.

For Telamon
 

Tom wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:34 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.
Eureka did not even get to the NAB level; the band in the US is reserved for
military uses. It has failed miserably in canada, too.

Actually, NAB management initially supported Eureka 147 but then had
to back away when faced by a revolt from its members.

Tom

That is my understanding as well. The protocol can be applied anywhere
in VHF/UHF. While the L Band is used by Boeing and Rockwell; at the time
the S-Band was wide open and was already allocated to sound broadcasting.

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote in message
...
"David Eduardo" wrote in message
et...
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
Radio World saw, by invitation, the SiPort chip.
I don't know what they saw. Did they see it work? No. Did they see it
installed in a prototype operating? No.
Actually, they saw both.
Actually did not see it work.

Show me a link.
They saw the prototype working. Buy a subscription to Radio World or shut
up.
Shifting the burden to the person one is trying to
convince is no way to make a point.

If the point Eduardo is trying to make were a
good one then it would be supportable with
multiple independent references.

As unbelievable as it may seem, not everything is on the Internet. The
dealings of Samsung and SiPort are directly with iBiquity and receiver
manufacturers, of which there are relatively few in the world. There is no
need to have an internet presence for the chips, as the appropriate people
already have samples, and are proceeding to the design phase of the process.
There is no purpose in promoting chips to consumers, just the manufacturers.

Anyone who wanted to see the chips working could at CES. Articles in paid or
controlled subscription magazines and newsletters have covered the
developments, including Inside Radio and Radio World. There is lots of
documentation, but all of it requires either going to CES or having
subscriptions to the publications; Inside Radio is about $400 a year, for
example.



The only people putting money into this turd are dinocasters and
American carmakers. That should tell you something.

For Telamon
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.

Eureka did not even get to the NAB level; the band in the US is reserved
for military uses. It has failed miserably in canada, too.

Since then, Sirius and XM filled the void. Radio has been bleeding red
ever since.
No, satellite has been bleeding. Clear Channel had EBITDA of $1.8 billion
last year while the satellite companies collectively lost $1.6 billion.

Radio billings were up 2% last year.
Everybody's bleeding 'cept for me and my monkey.

No, you are just lying and making up statistics that do not exist. Billing
back to the 60's is on the RAB website.


Y'all are bleeding audience, if not cash. How much of that CCU figure
was TV? Outdoor? Attractions?

For Telamon
 

dxAce, don't be sorry, be GLAD.
cuhulin

For Telamon
 

In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

craigm wrote:



Looks to me like the Samsung chipset is klunky compared to the competitor:

"...Samsung's HD Radio baseband processor, based on Tensilica's
programmable core, integrates the baseband, memory, SDRAM and flash in a
system-in-package measuring 9 x 9 mm. Including the companion RF chip,
the chip set's total power consumption is 150 mW...

...Sunder Velamuri, vice president of marketing at SiPort, said power
dissipation of the mixed-signal device is expected to be "around 100 mW
in typical configurations." He added that the chip, essentially "a
software radio," can tune and demodulate not only analog AM/FM and HD
Radio but also DAB and DMB-T, making it ready for the global market.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is fabricating the device..."

There are no chips developed for HD radio. Sansung and TI have some
years old notes on how you can use a set of their respective general
purpose chips DSP/CPU and analog baseband devices to make an HD radio.
For these parts to work as an HD radio they need additional support
devices and the license to use the ibiquity software. A lot of power
must be used to drive all this.

That's not what it says. It says it uses ca. 100 mW in "typical
configurations". It says it "can tune and demodulate" so I would think
any "additional support devices" wouldn't be that big a deal.

Maybe you should take a look at the proposed block diagrams before you
open your mouth and the specifications I read were 500 mW not 100 mW.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

In article ,
msg wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

snip

As unbelievable as it may seem, not everything is on the Internet.

snip

In fact, since the dot com bubble burst, there has been a major
decline in the availability of technical material on the 'Net
(many citations available on the Web and Usenet archives). In
my personal experience I have found that the usefulness of the
'Net to obtain arcane and especially mature technical material
has declined to deplorable levels. I used to be that nearly
everyone with any digitized material made it available by ftp,
gopher, or the web; now if you are very lucky sometimes you
can stumble on things in binary newsgroups or peer-to-peer
if you are really clever. The cost of storage has declined to
the point that it cannot be an excuse for the deletion of
'legacy' material on the part of larger firms; there are obviously
other (perverse) reasons behind it.

SNIP

I'm not sure what it is you are addressing here but the subject is what
is available from the semiconductor web sites. I can tell you for a fact
that any manufacturer out there recognizes the benefit of getting their
products on their web sites. I use these sites all day long looking for
components to incorporate into my companies products or for automated
test. Doesn't matter if it is a 1 cent resistor or a $100K network
analyzer, my search starts on the web.

For chips that actually exist you can find its full specifications,
application notes, and if it has a complex or difficult implementation
it will have a reference design that some application engineer put
together. And of course you find news like when samples will be
available and when production will commence.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

In article ,
dave wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
One of the turning points on the way to the demise of traditional
broadcasting in the USA was the NAB's flat refusal to adopt Eureka 147
because legacy stations would lose their higher-power legacy facilities
and AM would have equal footing with FM.

Eureka did not even get to the NAB level; the band in the US is reserved
for military uses. It has failed miserably in canada, too.

Since then, Sirius and XM filled the void. Radio has been bleeding red
ever since.
No, satellite has been bleeding. Clear Channel had EBITDA of $1.8 billion
last year while the satellite companies collectively lost $1.6 billion.

Radio billings were up 2% last year.
Everybody's bleeding 'cept for me and my monkey.

No, you are just lying and making up statistics that do not exist. Billing
back to the 60's is on the RAB website.


Y'all are bleeding audience, if not cash. How much of that CCU figure
was TV? Outdoor? Attractions?

What's up Eduardo. Where are those quotes from Radio World?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
msg wrote:


David Eduardo wrote:

snip

As unbelievable as it may seem, not everything is on the Internet.

snip

In fact, since the dot com bubble burst, there has been a major
decline in the availability of technical material on the 'Net

snip

SNIP

I'm not sure what it is you are addressing here but the subject is what
is available from the semiconductor web sites. I can tell you for a fact
that any manufacturer out there recognizes the benefit of getting their
products on their web sites.

Try getting NXP (ex Philips) to understand that ;-(


For chips that actually exist you can find its full specifications,
application notes, and if it has a complex or difficult implementation
it will have a reference design that some application engineer put
together. And of course you find news like when samples will be
available and when production will commence.

Again, it very much depends on your choice of vendor; some have websites
that are truly impenetrable. I find myself going first to datasheetarchive.com
nowadays. And when I design with 'mature' devices, I can forget most manufacturer's
websites as a first choice; the chips 'exist'; it is just that the vendor
has chosen to make using them difficult.

In my previous post I was bemoaning the elimination of mature software, manuals
and datasheets that cost very little to host, which seems to be the result
of company business decisions and ownership changes, and also the loss of many
private sites that used to mirror such materials -- gone for undocumented
reasons. As to new announcements, I used to get some 80 trade journals per
month (the bingo-card renewal process took a lot of time) and found that
I was better informed with the mass of paper than I have ever been on the
'net.

Michael

For Telamon
 

In article ,
msg wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
msg wrote:


David Eduardo wrote:

snip

As unbelievable as it may seem, not everything is on the Internet.

snip

In fact, since the dot com bubble burst, there has been a major
decline in the availability of technical material on the 'Net

snip

SNIP

I'm not sure what it is you are addressing here but the subject is what
is available from the semiconductor web sites. I can tell you for a fact
that any manufacturer out there recognizes the benefit of getting their
products on their web sites.

Try getting NXP (ex Philips) to understand that ;-(


For chips that actually exist you can find its full specifications,
application notes, and if it has a complex or difficult
implementation it will have a reference design that some
application engineer put together. And of course you find news like
when samples will be available and when production will commence.

Again, it very much depends on your choice of vendor; some have
websites that are truly impenetrable. I find myself going first to
datasheetarchive.com nowadays. And when I design with 'mature'
devices, I can forget most manufacturer's websites as a first choice;
the chips 'exist'; it is just that the vendor has chosen to make
using them difficult.

In my previous post I was bemoaning the elimination of mature
software, manuals and datasheets that cost very little to host, which
seems to be the result of company business decisions and ownership
changes, and also the loss of many private sites that used to mirror
such materials -- gone for undocumented reasons. As to new
announcements, I used to get some 80 trade journals per month (the
bingo-card renewal process took a lot of time) and found that I was
better informed with the mass of paper than I have ever been on the
'net.

If you ever feel like getting lost in a web sit try Agilent. It is a
truly massive site that their own people can not navigate.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For Telamon
 

"dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
..

Anyone who wanted to see the chips working could at CES. Articles in paid
or controlled subscription magazines and newsletters have covered the
developments, including Inside Radio and Radio World. There is lots of
documentation, but all of it requires either going to CES or having
subscriptions to the publications; Inside Radio is about $400 a year, for
example.



The only people putting money into this turd are dinocasters and American
carmakers. That should tell you something.

Funny. My BMW came with HD. BMW is German, in case you are so clueless as to
not know.