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Default IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......

On Mar 18, 6:37�am, RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:53�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:





RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:51 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.


If granted, Step One has been taken.


�From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************


Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions


CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.


"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.


The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:


* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require thatHD Radiocapabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.


DPM,


The two key things i see here are :


XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". �Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".


Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.


we are doomed ~ RHF
�.


� �No doubt....it's gonna suck.


� �Interestingly, both XM and Sirius, having created a loyal, if small,
customer base by appealing to those who do NOT want to suffer through
CCU style programming, may be indundated with CCU style programming
anyway...by CCU's insistenence...not XM or Sirius'. Meaning that, now, a
competitor can directly dictate a company's content by mandate? Bull****..


� �Further, if an indecency mandate should be part of the merger decree,
one of the key selling points for moving away from the overhomogeninzed
pap and pablum of terrestrial radio evaporates. Ending most uneditied
comedy channel content, and re-shackling Howard Stern.


� �But the key provision is an FCC mandate that all satellite radios
include HD terrestrial reception. First step to an all digital
broadcasting conversion....a stated goal of both iBiquity AND Powell's FCC.


� �If CCU prevails here...XM and Sirius in trouble.


� �And iPod sales will spike.- Hide quoted text -


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1 - DPM,
Plus the ERA of "Commercial Free" Satellite Radio Is Over
when the Terrestrial AM/FM Radio Stations {Networks} can
put their 'Content' on DS Radio Systems.

A number of the present XM-Sirius Customers are 'there'
because for the most part it has been "Commercial Free".

With this proposal up to 50% of what is on a DS Radio
System could be Audio Programming Content that is
Laced with Commercials.

Say Bye-Bye to the Subscribers who were motovated
by the Commerical Free aspects of DS Radio.

2 - DPM,
Again IMHO It is not -if- It is only a matter of "When"
the FCC Mandates : "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios
One Part - AM/FM "HD" Radiousing IBCO
One Part - Direct Satellite (DS) Radio -or- an Optional
Play-and-Play DS Radio Interface Feature in every Radio.
Plus One Part - WiFi and/or BlueTooth for Direct
Internet "Connectivity"

THE ALL MODE & ALL DIGITAL RADIO STANDARD*
* Done In the Name of the Public Interest by the FCC
for a Digital Society ensuring that Everyone has Equal
Access to New Technology and Digital Audio Content.

all things being equal - we are so screwed :-{ ~ RHF
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Any mandate would only apply to digital DARS radios.
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Default IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......

On Mar 18, 7:32�am, dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:51 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.


If granted, Step One has been taken.


�From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************


Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions


CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.


"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.


The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:


* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require thatHD Radiocapabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.


DPM,


The two key things i see here are :


XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". �Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".


Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.


we are doomed ~ RHF
�.


� No doubt....it's gonna suck.


� Interestingly, both XM and Sirius, having created a loyal, if small,
customer base by appealing to those who do NOT want to suffer through
CCU style programming, may be indundated with CCU style programming
anyway...by CCU's insistenence...not XM or Sirius'. Meaning that, now, a
competitor can directly dictate a company's content by mandate? Bull****..


� Further, if an indecency mandate should be part of the merger decree,
one of the key selling points for moving away from the overhomogeninzed
pap and pablum of terrestrial radio evaporates. Ending most uneditied
comedy channel content, and re-shackling Howard Stern.


� But the key provision is an FCC mandate that all satellite radios
include HD terrestrial reception. First step to an all digital
broadcasting conversion....a stated goal of both iBiquity AND Powell's FCC.


� If CCU prevails here...XM and Sirius in trouble.


� And iPod sales will spike.


XM and Sirius are becoming less relevant by the minute. �They were nice
to have around for a while, and I still have Sirius in my 3 vehicles,
but there are much better choices for music and talk lovers at home and
at work.- Hide quoted text -

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Satellite radio is fast becoming a bust, as is digital radio around
the world:

"Directed Electronics elects not to give guidance, because of
satellite radio"
Monday, March 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM

While it's of little surprise that either Sirius or XM would elect not
to give investors guidance for the year, it looks like Directed
Electronics has gone done the same thing.

The company cited a number of factors, including "the historical
volatility of satellite radio sales" as well as the pending merger
between Sirius and XM. That, coupled with the slowing economy, was
enough for Directed to hold off on predicting sales and earnings for
the year.

That "volatility" that Directed is referring to might have a little
something to do with satellite radio sales being in the toilet.

In the fourth quarter of 2007, gross sales of satellite radio products
dropped a whopping 51% to $56.2 million - that's down from $114
million in the fourth quarter of 2006. And for the full year?
Satellite radio sales fell 46.4% to $117.9 million, compared to $220.1
million for 2006.

The good news, for Directed at least, is that amended agreement with
Sirius will lead to a "reduced risk" in satellite radio business.

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/di...ite-radio.html

The FCC could mandate digital radio all they want, but it is still
going to be a failure.
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Default IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......

On Mar 18, 9:36�am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:53 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:51 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.
If granted, Step One has been taken.
�From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************
Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions
CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.
"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.
The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:
* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require thatHD Radiocapabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.
DPM,
The two key things i see here are :
XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". �Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".
Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.
we are doomed ~ RHF
�.
� �No doubt....it's gonna suck.


� �Interestingly, both XM and Sirius, having created a loyal, if small,
customer base by appealing to those who do NOT want to suffer through
CCU style programming, may be indundated with CCU style programming
anyway...by CCU's insistenence...not XM or Sirius'. Meaning that, now, a
competitor can directly dictate a company's content by mandate? Bull****.

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On Mar 18, 9:24*am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:51 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:





Note the last CCU Requirement.


If granted, Step One has been taken.


*From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************


Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions


CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.


"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.


The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:


* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require thatHD Radiocapabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.


"Ibiquity Publishes Proposed Rule For Merger"

"This represents $100's of millions of dollars if the premium is only
$10 per chipset. How much is the premium in reality? $20? $30? This
information is needed to consider exactly what is being placed on the
table by Ibiquity. Ibiquity is looking for such a concession so that
they will no longer have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars, and
negotiate with OEM partners. While seeing exactly what their proposal
seeks is helpful, there are still more answers that are needed. Taking
away hudreds of millions of dollars in synergies is not a viable
answer at this point."

http://siriusbuzz.com/ibiquity-publi...for-merger.php

"Satellite Radio Facing Bankruptcy?"

"Satellite radio companies have been suffering heavy losses - and
plunging stock prices - even as they continue to add subscribers. And
a front-page story in Tuesday's Wall Street Journal warns that the
worst may be yet to come... Industry leader XM Satellite Radio
Holdings Inc. lost $667 million last year, and rival Sirius Satellite
Radio Inc. lost $863 million. The big losses have shaken investor
confidence in the industry. XM shares have lost 71 percent of their
value this year, and Sirius shares have lost 51 percent... For one
thing, a substantial number of people who buy vehicles with pre-
installed satellite radios don't activate them, nor do many who
receive a radio as a gift. It's estimated that 10 percent of all store-
bought radios given as gifts during the last holiday season were never
activated. Also, those who do subscribe often abandon the service
after a period of time, some switching to iPod adapters to provide
music in their vehicle."

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...5/175258.shtml

"Regarding the Technical Aspects of the SDARS Providers XM and Sirius"

"There are significant differences in certain technical aspects of the
two SDARS systems as deployed by XM and Sirius. The systems as
currently deployed are not interoperable. That is to say, an XM
receiver cannot receive the Sirius signal and vice versa. Thus, as is
true today, if the proposed merger of XM and Sirius were consummated,
consumers would still need to purchase a new interoperable receiver in
order to receive the signals of both providers. These differences in
system operation, function, and structure make the design and
implementation of a single unified and interoperable receiver both
complex and expensive. In fact, both XM and Sirius have been working
in a joint venture to develop an interoperable radio since 2000. At
this time, no interoperable radios have been introduced into
commercial production."

http://tinyurl.com/2kek8t

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IBOCcrock - Wishful Thinking Again ~ RHF

Remember every New Radio adds up to Many Dollars
being Churned in the US Economy.

With 'new' All Mode & All Digital Radios costing between
$100 to $300 they are relatively 'cheap' : Considering that
'new' HDTVs are Costing $300 to $1000.
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IBOCcrock - DREAM ON ! ~ RHF


Get lost trolling moron.

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Dave - TFYS ! - Now go Wash your Mouth-out. ;-} ~ RHF
TFYS = The F*ck You Say !


What a retard.

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IBOCcrock - Wishful Thinking Again ~ RHF


You wish you could have a thought.

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