"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message
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HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If
automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.


Have anyone but me noticed that David rarely actually addresses a
statement made here. But rather, picks a script that hits one of his
pseudo-statistical drumbeats, and repeats that, without really addressing
the issue.

The post made it seem like in-car was the end-all to HD sales. It isn't,
although the opposite applies to satellite.

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas, and
McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....

Yes, it has. In the Texas markets we have done station displays in stores
promoting the channels, and estimates are around 20,000 receivers sold in
Houston.



Than that would make you unique. Oh...who knew.

No, it woud not. There are quite a few individual markets where locally
inspired HD stuff has had an impact on sales.

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas, and
McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....
Yes, it has. In the Texas markets we have done station displays in stores
promoting the channels, and estimates are around 20,000 receivers sold in
Houston.


Than that would make you unique. Oh...who knew.

No, it woud not. There are quite a few individual markets where locally
inspired HD stuff has had an impact on sales.





Given the sales curve, about the same impact as Kevin Tekel's AMS
campaign.

D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:

MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-
earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.


That's what they said about cable. And later satellite TV.

It's all about content, Gary. What you want, you'll pay for. Cable TV
has taught us that.

HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's
never made a case for content.

Cable subscribers signed up for content not available over the air.
Satellite TV subscribers signed up for content not available through Cable.

Satellite radio subscribers have signed up for content not available
on terrestrial radio.

HD could offer the same alternatives, but has not. So, HD has been of
interest to gadgeteers and geeks, broadcasters and those with a vested
interest in the technology. But the public has been unwilling to drop
$200+ on a radio that only provides what is already available free.

Radio listening is about content. Until HD is promoted for it content,
it will not garner much interest with the buying public.

If the radio is not playing what the listener wants to hear....it
doesn't matter what it sounds like.



www.shoutcast.com

http://radiotime.com/index.aspx

www.icecast.org

D Peter Maus wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message
. ..
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If
automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in
the car.



Have anyone but me noticed that David rarely actually addresses a
statement made here. But rather, picks a script that hits one of his
pseudo-statistical drumbeats, and repeats that, without really
addressing the issue.


Kind of makes you wonder if his professional education came at the
Customer Service training seminar at Microsoft.


Sorry, David. As one Brother-in-Sound to another...it had to be said.


As someone who lived radio from the age of 13 onward, I ONLY listen in
the car; and then only to Sirius for the BBC, FNC and music; and a
little AM New Talk (usually DXing at the same time). The FM here is
terrible. I use web radio at home and at work.

IBOC : What Engineers Should Know -by- Charles T. Morgan

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-ro...stmorgan.shtml

The Chairman of the NRSC Says FM IBOC, Though Imperfect,
Is a Significant Improvement for U.S. FM Radio - 29 NOV 2001
-source- Radio World (RW) OnLine - http://www.rwonline.com/

in the 70's Without cable, you were left with a handful of free over the air
TV stations. And reception wasn't reliable

Without HD radio, you are still left with no less than 30 free viable Am/Fm
radio stations.

With HD you get stations that sound a little better, but bascially are left
with the same format choices already found on Am/FM

On Mar 26, 4:04 pm, RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 1:16 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:





wrote:

MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-

earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.

That's what they said about cable. And later satellite TV.

It's all about content, Gary. What you want, you'll pay for. Cable TV
has taught us that.

HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's
never made a case for content.

Cable subscribers signed up for content not available over the air.
Satellite TV subscribers signed up for content not available through Cable.

Satellite radio subscribers have signed up for content not available
on terrestrial radio.

HD could offer the same alternatives, but has not. So, HD has been of
interest to gadgeteers and geeks, broadcasters and those with a vested
interest in the technology. But the public has been unwilling to drop
$200+ on a radio that only provides what is already available free.

Radio listening is about content. Until HD is promoted for it
content, it will not garner much interest with the buying public.

If the radio is not playing what the listener wants to hear....it
doesn't matter what it sounds like.

DPM,

Hence the Clear Channel request to the FCC to Extend
the Broadcast Decency Rules to DBS-Radio.

Create an Equality in the Allowable "Content" for both
Terrestrial AM/FM and Direct Satellite Radio Broadcasters.

Clear Channel to FCC : Wash XM-Sirius' Mouth-Out with Soap
-by- Matthew Lasar - Published : March 25, 2008

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nnel-to-fcc-wa...

Taking the "X" out of XM Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) Radio
Clear Channel wants the FCC to apply the Broadcast Decency
Rules to DBS-Radio.

Now Clear Channel wants even more strings attached
to the possible . . .

-source- Ars Technica {Art of Technology}
CopyRight (c) 1998-2008 - Ars Technica, LLC
All Rights Reserved.
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IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
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"Questions About High Definition HD Radio"

Q: Why do I get drop-outs or silences on the HD2 Services?

A: This is a sign of marginal signal strength at your radio. It is
important to remember that the HD Radio multicast channels (HD2, HD3,
etc), unlike the HD1 channel, do not have an analog signal for the
radio to 'fall-back to' when digital reception is lost. So a listener
with marginal reception that is losing the digital signal will
experience periods of silence until the signal is regained.

http://www.wpr.org/hd/hd_faq.cfm

"Is HD Radio Toast?"

"There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. The
engineers of Ibiquity may argue otherwise and defend the system, but
the industry has a serious PR problem with the very people we need to
get the word out on HD... In other words, everything you can find on
the regular FM dial... The word has already gotten out about HD Radio.
People who have already bought an HD Radio are telling others of their
experience (mostly bad) and no amount of marketing will reverse this."

http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772

Most automakers won't even touch HD, because it simply doesn't work -
there are no analog backups for the HD channels, it jams, and causes
interference. Wait until consumers figure out that their "defective"
HD radios don't work.

On Mar 26, 7:32�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message

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HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.

Right, Eduardo - almost 50% of listening is during rush-hours. Aside
from that, no one is buying home HD radios - LOL!

On Mar 26, 7:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in messagenews
HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's never
made a case for content.

Here are some content examples.

Texas. Austin, Houston, Dallas, McAllen., E lPaso. Tejano HD programming on
one Univision station per market, giving these markets their only Tejano
service. Tejano is a music style of third to fourth generation Hispanics in
Texas, and has considerable following, but not enough for a main channel
service.

LA. Amor Celestial. On KLVE HD2, only contemporary Christian all music
format available in LA metro, with signal most usable in the Inland Empire
as well. Has its own studio, not just a computer, with PD, jocks, artist
interviews, etc.

"DEAD AIR: Radio's great leap forward stalling in the Valley"

"Retailers say no one is buying HD radios in South Texas despite
scattered attempts by broadcasters to promote the digital signal
technology..."

http://www.themonitor.com/news/radio...gital_new.html

"HD Radio Has Yet To Take Off"

"But the technology hasn't taken off as expected. NBC 5 could not find
one person who owns a hi-def radio and neither could KISS FM's program
director. I don't know anybody that has one yet, Davis said."

http://www.nbc5i.com/technology/14878368/detail.html

"High-def radio is here, but is anyone listening?"

"But 19 Utah stations are broadcasting 31 high-definition radio
channels with six more coming soon... It seems the stations are
investing in technology the public isn't quite ready to embrace....
Some have heard it referred to but never had cause to get one. Unless
you are a gadget person, few of these radios have sold."

http://www.sltrib.com/technology/ci_7852904

"HD's here. Who's listening?"

"But consumers haven't exactly been stampeding to electronics stores
for the new HD Radio sets that are required to tune in the digital
signals."

http://www.twincities.com/business/c...=1#recent_comm

"Don't touch that dial: Digital radio lags behind"

"Digital radio -- now synonymous with the HD Radio brand name --
apparently has yet to catch on with listeners in this area..."

http://tinyurl.com/2gdmca

Yea, Eduardo - HD radios are selling like hot-cakes! LOL!