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On Apr 4, 6:36 pm, Telamon
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RHF wrote:
On Apr 3, 10:43 pm, Telamon
wrote:
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RHF wrote:
On Apr 2, 2:41 am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon

wrote: In article ,

- - "vangellis" wrote:
- -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf

- Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
- where the coax connects.
- My best guess remains a folded dipole.
-
- - -
- - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
- - -
- - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
- - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
- - -
- - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
- - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
- - - .
- - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
- - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
- - - .
- - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
- - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- - - .
- - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
- - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply
first. ;-}
- - - .

- - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
- - .

- Is there something I wrote that is not clear?

1st Reply :
"Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts.

2nd Reply :
"My best guess remains a folded dipole."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong.

- There is no coax connected in the picture in the link.

Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is
incorporated into a Waterproof Housing.

Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level"
Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen.
Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%.
Take it up to 400% and look again.
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...ving-antenna-3...
ive-p-4085.html

The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function.
http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+'
Take it up to 400% and look again.

I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good
imagination.

- The brief specification does not say what type of
- basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.

- - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret;
- - with very little gussing required.
-
- OK retard I've had enough.
-
- So what is the basic antenna type
- for this Miller antenna?
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-

Telamon,

OK let's see if I have got this straight.

You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on
all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast
knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a
"Guess" based on the Pictures . . .

-or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time
and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess"
based on the Facts stated in/on them ?

-But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD !

doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF

On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

* * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * *

- Gentlemen,
-
- Please!!!!!
- Enough of this bickering.
-
- With respect RHF,
- would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna
- and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire
- (I am limited for space)
-
- regards Vangellis
- UK
-

Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF

The - L - o - n - g - Answer is :

Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ?
-versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?

Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna
(WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is
~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR

You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed
Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use.

IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a
smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up
of 12 Foot of Metal.

Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has
a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a
2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area
* 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna
30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches
* WMSW Antenna
2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches
Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna.

QUESTIONS :

Q # 1 - Vangellis are you using a good earthen 8-Foot
Copper Ground Rod with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna and for your Radios and Equipment in your Home ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna and Radio Shack with a Ground
for Less Noise and Better Safety.

Q # 2 - Vangellis are you using a Coax Cable feed-in-line
with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Coax Cable feed-in-line
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.

Q # 3 - Vangellis are you using a Matching Transformer
(Balun) -aka- Magnetic Longwire Balun "MLB" with your
30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Matching Transformer
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.

Q # 3 - Vangellis is your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna 'configured' in the Shape of an Inverted "L"
Antenna ?
* It Should Be.
+ Make Qs 1, 2 and 3 a lot easier To-Do and All Three
'together' work a lot better {Synergy} for Less Noise
and a Better Signal.

INVERTED "L" ANTENNA
Picture of an Inverted "L" Antenna Set-Up and Rigging
http://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.html
http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm
http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions...s/lantenna.gif
http://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gif
http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/i...dl_files/L.jpg

Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBP
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html
About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB)
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html

The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna.
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html
Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5cc467b35a70d5

READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna
-or- Inverted "L" Antenna ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...364956151adbba

READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front'
= Better Performance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4b09ea224f4434

READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL)
Antenna Reccomendations ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7277e8657b87ae


vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

* * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * *

- Gentlemen,
-
- Please!!!!!
- Enough of this bickering.
-
- With respect RHF,
- would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna
- and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire
- (I am limited for space)
-
- regards Vangellis
- UK
-

Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF

The - L - o - n - g - Answer is :

Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ?
-versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?

Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna
(WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is
~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR

You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed
Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use.

IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a
smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up
of 12 Foot of Metal.

Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has
a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a
2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area
* 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna
30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches
* WMSW Antenna
2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches
Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.

KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna.

QUESTIONS :

Q # 1 - Vangellis are you using a good earthen 8-Foot
Copper Ground Rod with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna and for your Radios and Equipment in your Home ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna and Radio Shack with a Ground
for Less Noise and Better Safety.

Q # 2 - Vangellis are you using a Coax Cable feed-in-line
with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Coax Cable feed-in-line
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.

Q # 3 - Vangellis are you using a Matching Transformer
(Balun) -aka- Magnetic Longwire Balun "MLB" with your
30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Matching Transformer
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.

Q # 3 - Vangellis is your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna 'configured' in the Shape of an Inverted "L"
Antenna ?
* It Should Be.
+ Make Qs 1, 2 and 3 a lot easier To-Do and All Three
'together' work a lot better {Synergy} for Less Noise
and a Better Signal.

INVERTED "L" ANTENNA
Picture of an Inverted "L" Antenna Set-Up and Rigging
http://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.html
http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm
http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions...s/lantenna.gif
http://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gif
http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/i...dl_files/L.jpg

Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBP
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html
About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB)
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html

The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna.
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html
Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5cc467b35a70d5

READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna
-or- Inverted "L" Antenna ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...364956151adbba

READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front'
= Better Performance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4b09ea224f4434

READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL)
Antenna Reccomendations ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7277e8657b87ae


vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}