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Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
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I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...f9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks vangellis |
Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
In message , vangellis
writes Hi I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...g-antenna-30mh z-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks vangellis It looks sort-of like a VHF 'Slim Jim' / 'J-Pole' (but it can't be, can it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true - "Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload". -- Ian |
Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
In article ,
"vangellis" wrote: Hi I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...nna-30mhz-pass ive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
On Mar 31, 5:55*pm, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message , vangellis writesHi I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...g-antenna-30mh z-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks vangellis It looks sort-of like a VHF 'Slim Jim' / 'J-Pole' (but it can't be, can it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true - "Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload". -- Ian I used to switch between a G5RV (a horizontal dipole over 100' long) and a J-pole for 2 meters (a vertical about 8' long). Under some conditions the short vertical outperformed the long horizontal - could be due to the elevation angle or maybe the azimuth of the desired signal favouring its radiation pattern and vice versa. Also could be due to one pattern discriminating better against unwanted signals and noise. The small antenna's diminishing efficiency at lower frequencies is an advantage as it helps to prevent receiver overload by strong signals at these frequencies. Getting such an antenna up as high as possible and as far away as possible from local interference sources and connecting it to the radio via shielded cable can result in a pretty decent SW antenna. If you still have a VHF-TV antenna on your roof, you might be surprised at how well it may work as a SW antenna. Or take your radio up on the roof and see how much better reception is with its little telescoping antenna than on the ground floor. Tom |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small
On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF *. -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. *. --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf *. -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} *. Telamon - Do you need another day ? ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small Vertical Passive SWL Antenna : 1.8 - 30 MHz
In article
, RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - *. - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - *. - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - the Facts. - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - *. - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - *. Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF . Is there something I wrote that is not clear? There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. The brief specification does not say what type of basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small Vertical Passive SWL Antenna : 1.8 - 30 MHz
In article
, RHF wrote: On Apr 3, 10:43*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - - - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - - - - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - - - - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - - - . - - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - - - . - - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - - - . - - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - - - . - - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF - - . - Is there something I wrote that is not clear? 1st Reply : "Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts. 2nd Reply : "My best guess remains a folded dipole." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong. - There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is incorporated into a Waterproof Housing. Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level" Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen. Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%. Take it up to 400% and look again. http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...nna-30mhz-pass ive-p-4085.html The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function. http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+' Take it up to 400% and look again. I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good imagination. - The brief specification does not say what type of - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret; with very little gussing required. OK retard I've had enough. So what is the basic antenna type for this Miller antenna? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small
On Apr 4, 6:36*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 3, 10:43*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - - - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - - - - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - - - - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - - - *. - - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - - - *. - - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - - - *. - - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - - - *. - - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF - - *. - Is there something I wrote that is not clear? 1st Reply : "Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts. 2nd Reply : "My best guess remains a folded dipole." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong. - There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is incorporated into a Waterproof Housing. Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level" Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen. Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%. Take it up to 400% and look again. http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...ving-antenna-3... ive-p-4085.html The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function. http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+' Take it up to 400% and look again. I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good imagination. - The brief specification does not say what type of - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. - - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret; - - with very little gussing required. - - OK retard I've had enough. - - So what is the basic antenna type - for this Miller antenna? - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Telamon, OK let's see if I have got this straight. You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a "Guess" based on the Pictures . . . -or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess" based on the Facts stated in/on them ? -But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD ! doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small Vertical Passive SWL Antenna : 1.8 - 30 MHz
"RHF" wrote in message ... On Apr 4, 6:36 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: On Apr 3, 10:43 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41 am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - - - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - - - - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - - - - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - - - . - - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - - - . - - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - - - . - - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - - - . - - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF - - . - Is there something I wrote that is not clear? 1st Reply : "Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts. 2nd Reply : "My best guess remains a folded dipole." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong. - There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is incorporated into a Waterproof Housing. Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level" Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen. Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%. Take it up to 400% and look again. http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...ving-antenna-3... ive-p-4085.html The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function. http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+' Take it up to 400% and look again. I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good imagination. - The brief specification does not say what type of - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. - - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret; - - with very little gussing required. - - OK retard I've had enough. - - So what is the basic antenna type - for this Miller antenna? - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Telamon, OK let's see if I have got this straight. You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a "Guess" based on the Pictures . . . -or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess" based on the Facts stated in/on them ? -But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD ! doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus-30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message * * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * * - Gentlemen, - - Please!!!!! - Enough of this bickering. - - With respect RHF, - would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna - and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire - (I am limited for space) - - regards Vangellis - UK - Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF The - L - o - n - g - Answer is : Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna (WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is ~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use. IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up of 12 Foot of Metal. Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna. Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a 2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna. Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area * 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna 30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches * WMSW Antenna 2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna. QUESTIONS : Q # 1 - Vangellis are you using a good earthen 8-Foot Copper Ground Rod with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna and for your Radios and Equipment in your Home ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna and Radio Shack with a Ground for Less Noise and Better Safety. Q # 2 - Vangellis are you using a Coax Cable feed-in-line with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna with a Coax Cable feed-in-line for Less Noise and a Better Signal. Q # 3 - Vangellis are you using a Matching Transformer (Balun) -aka- Magnetic Longwire Balun "MLB" with your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna with a Matching Transformer for Less Noise and a Better Signal. Q # 3 - Vangellis is your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna 'configured' in the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna ? * It Should Be. + Make Qs 1, 2 and 3 a lot easier To-Do and All Three 'together' work a lot better {Synergy} for Less Noise and a Better Signal. INVERTED "L" ANTENNA Picture of an Inverted "L" Antenna Set-Up and Rigging http://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.html http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions...s/lantenna.gif http://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gif http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/i...dl_files/L.jpg Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBP http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB) http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna. http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5cc467b35a70d5 READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna -or- Inverted "L" Antenna ? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...364956151adbba READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front' = Better Performance http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4b09ea224f4434 READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL) Antenna Reccomendations ? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7277e8657b87ae vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} |
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