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"Why the drop outs?
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "A Brown" wrote in message ... "There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM! (And we all k now how that turned out!) Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know. Maybe it was before your time.... "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear". "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my (staticky) FM?" Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM Band, right? Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I don't want one!" FM was added to more radios within a given line as it became more popular. FM gained popularity primarily due to content, and not fidelity. But why? "Everyone was happy with AM Radio." "FM Radio cost more money." There'll always be people who want to go back to the stone age.... |
"Why the drop outs?
And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are not required to cover your area. That's retard talk. If I want to listen to it and a near by IBOC station screws that up is all I care about. If you want to listen to BBC Radio I in America and you can't pick it up because a NYC station is on the same frequency, should the FCC mandate a change? Face it. Stations are only protected within certain contours. Outside of that it's gravy. BS. People that want to listen to stations on the dial are not holding back technological innovation IBOC does that. two thoughts... You can't listen to everything...as radio signals are finite...and they are only protected so far... Second, there are many more station offerred thru IBOC. So "lack of choice" is a nonissue. IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard? What has that have to do with IBOC? New standards and new technology take time for the public to realize. And since this is an advertiser supported medium...the content depends on the listenership. The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... Yes, the stations themselves are doing it. There's not much a former "clear channel" station can do if the FCC allows another station on their frequency. |
"Why the drop outs?
Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were introduced. Nor is IBOC. Where is it written that everything has to be digital? Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S IBOC is not P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S. IBOC is old technology misapplied to the broadcast bands. The digital revolution is old technology? Funny...it seems like everything else around us is using digitization to improve. But you can stay with DOS if you like.... IBOC is a stupid pointy haired boss idea. And IBOC detractors are whiney little low-level employees who complain that the world is passing them by. |
"Why the drop outs?
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"Radio Ron" wrote: And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are not required to cover your area. That's retard talk. If I want to listen to it and a near by IBOC station screws that up is all I care about. If you want to listen to BBC Radio I in America and you can't pick it up because a NYC station is on the same frequency, should the FCC mandate a change? Face it. Stations are only protected within certain contours. Outside of that it's gravy. BS. People that want to listen to stations on the dial are not holding back technological innovation IBOC does that. two thoughts... You can't listen to everything...as radio signals are finite...and they are only protected so far... Second, there are many more station offerred thru IBOC. So "lack of choice" is a nonissue. IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard? What has that have to do with IBOC? New standards and new technology take time for the public to realize. And since this is an advertiser supported medium...the content depends on the listenership. The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... Yes, the stations themselves are doing it. There's not much a former "clear channel" station can do if the FCC allows another station on their frequency. I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
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"Radio Ron" wrote: Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were introduced. Nor is IBOC. Where is it written that everything has to be digital? Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S IBOC is not P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S. IBOC is old technology misapplied to the broadcast bands. The digital revolution is old technology? Funny...it seems like everything else around us is using digitization to improve. But you can stay with DOS if you like.... The IBOC concept is about as old as DOS. IBOC is a stupid pointy haired boss idea. And IBOC detractors are whiney little low-level employees who complain that the world is passing them by. I am a radio listener that has experienced the band deteriorate due to this piece o' crap technology called IBOC. The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards that don't understand this misapplication of digital technology. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
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"Radio Ron" wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "A Brown" wrote in message ... "There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM! (And we all k now how that turned out!) Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know. Maybe it was before your time.... "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear". "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my (staticky) FM?" Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM Band, right? Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I don't want one!" FM was added to more radios within a given line as it became more popular. FM gained popularity primarily due to content, and not fidelity. But why? "Everyone was happy with AM Radio." "FM Radio cost more money." There'll always be people who want to go back to the stone age.... I own several radios that do not have the FM broadcast band. They are SW and AMBCB. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
On May 7, 6:02*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote: On May 6, 8:14 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *"A Brown" wrote: I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. *ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. *The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! *And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary analog... Listeners have not made any conscious choice. *Most of them don't even know what HD radio is... I have and so have others. - HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Teli - Almost read like a 'david' post. ~ RHF *. Except David knows one must first turn on, then tune in.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - David Knows - That He Do ~ RHF |
"Why the drop outs?
Radio Ron wrote:
"dave" wrote in message ... A Brown wrote: Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were introduced. Nor is IBOC. Where is it written that everything has to be digital? Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S Like I said, when they make a $5 digital radio that'll run for a week on one battery, I'll call it progress. |
"Why the drop outs?
Radio Ron wrote:
"dave" wrote in message . .. Radio Ron wrote: Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. My HD radio is working fine! It must be you. If one wants to listen to 1150 in Los Angeles in the morning one must put up with IBOC crap from 1140 in Sacto and 1160 in SLC. Not if you are in LA....which is the city of service for 1150AM. A service to thousands is diminished for the benefit of a handful of techies. No, for the benefit of listeners in LA...which is the service area for 1150AM. I am 6 miles from the Los Angeles city limits. |
"Why the drop outs?
A Brown wrote:
and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere within the city grade contours of existing stations. The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... I'm talking about local stations in said localities, many within their protected contours. Please cite the case you are speaking about.... Where does a local station get interfered with in their own city of license or protected contour by another stations IBOC. I have never heard of such a case. The Mighty 1090 gets trashed by KNX. |
"Why the drop outs?
A Brown wrote:
"There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM! (And we all k now how that turned out!) Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know. Maybe it was before your time.... "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear". "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my (staticky) FM?" Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM Band, right? That never happened. |
"Why the drop outs?
Telamon wrote:
In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. My HD radio is working fine! It must be you. You must be nuts. You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe. Nope. I'm listening right now. Works fine here. It's you. Maybe you are right, I don't have tin ears. You probably never got a cell phone becuase your old CB radio works just fine, right? I have the same electronic leash every indispensable person else has. That used to mean a pager years back but is now a cell phone these days. I'm so glad I'm an hourly worker and can ignore the phone when I want to. |
"Why the drop outs?
I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought. If this was prevalent....don't you think there'd be a massive revolt among radio listeners? FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you? The IBOC concept is about as old as DOS. And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000, XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux. The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards I am not in marketing, nor am I a retard. Do you want to call names or have a dsicussion? |
"Why the drop outs?
"dave" wrote in message . .. Radio Ron wrote: The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... The FCC is run by idiots. Luckily, cooler heads prevail at Citadel, where they protect their night signals by turning the interference generators off at sunset. Surprise, it's back on! (If not all of their stations...at least some of them.) "Its primary service area is protected from objectionable interference from other stations on the same and adjacent channels" Again, only in the Primary service area. The idea of "clear channels" is a remnant of the past. I am 6 miles from the Los Angeles city limits. And you have trouble picking up 1150AM? Are you on the outside of their primary service area? http://radio-locator.com/pats/KTLK_AM_LN.gif The Mighty 1090 gets trashed by KNX. You mean a station licensed to Mexico that is primarily serving San Diego? Are you outside of the primary serivce area? http://radio-locator.com/pats/XEPRS_AM_FN.gif |
"Why the drop outs?
I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital
progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought. If this was prevalent....don't you think there'd be a massive revolt among radio listeners? FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you? Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them. nothing specific? And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000, XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux. That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today. And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one. The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards I am not in marketing, nor am I a retard. Do you want to call names or have a dsicussion? A discussion would be preferable but this has been hashed out in this news group numerous times... Hashed out by calling people 'retards'? I'm sure that led to a lot of enlightening discussions.... -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
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"A Brown" wrote: I find it real interesting that in the name of some bogus digital progress you think it is just fine that the choices I had being taken away is no problem. You need to rethink that thought. If this was prevalent....don't you think there'd be a massive revolt among radio listeners? FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you? Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them. nothing specific? I thought what I wrote was clear. And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000, XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux. That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today. And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one. I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all. The people that are promoting IBOC are a bunch of marketing retards I am not in marketing, nor am I a retard. Do you want to call names or have a dsicussion? A discussion would be preferable but this has been hashed out in this news group numerous times... Hashed out by calling people 'retards'? I'm sure that led to a lot of enlightening discussions.... I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be? Are people that hate IBOC on the payroll for XM and Sirius? |
"Why the drop outs?
And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000, XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux. That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today. And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one. I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all. Telamon I see you bring discussion to a whole new level. You have a feeling and you dont want to let facts get in the way. |
"Why the drop outs?
FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you? Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them. nothing specific? I thought what I wrote was clear. Clear as mud. What station are you having trouble listening to from what location? What station is interefering with it? I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be? I'm reminded of something the nuns used to say. God gave you two ears and one mouth....so you can listen twice as much as you speak. |
"Why the drop outs?
Radio Ron wrote:
"dave" wrote in message . .. Radio Ron wrote: The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... The FCC is run by idiots. Luckily, cooler heads prevail at Citadel, where they protect their night signals by turning the interference generators off at sunset. Surprise, it's back on! (If not all of their stations...at least some of them.) "Its primary service area is protected from objectionable interference from other stations on the same and adjacent channels" Again, only in the Primary service area. The idea of "clear channels" is a remnant of the past. I am 6 miles from the Los Angeles city limits. And you have trouble picking up 1150AM? Are you on the outside of their primary service area? http://radio-locator.com/pats/KTLK_AM_LN.gif That map is a joke. KTLK comes in better in Vegas at night than it does at my house in Santa Clarita. KNX trashes 1090 in North County. |
"Why the drop outs?
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"A Brown" wrote: I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be? Are people that hate IBOC on the payroll for XM and Sirius? Does A Brown have anything in the way of intellectual capacity? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
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"Radio Ron" wrote: And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000, XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux. That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today. And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one. I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all. Telamon I see you bring discussion to a whole new level. You have a feeling and you dont want to let facts get in the way. What facts are you having a problem with? Have you bothered to read past discussions? I don't think so. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
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"Rob" wrote: FWIW...let's get specific...what "choices" got taken away from you? Mostly choice in the evenings. Some programs are not broadcast from around here so I tune to more distant stations to hear them. nothing specific? I thought what I wrote was clear. Clear as mud. What station are you having trouble listening to from what location? Does it matter? What station is interefering with it? Does it matter? I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be? I'm reminded of something the nuns used to say. God gave you two ears and one mouth....so you can listen twice as much as you speak. The nuns were right so go do some work on that one. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "A Brown" wrote: I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be? Are people that hate IBOC on the payroll for XM and Sirius? Does A Brown have anything in the way of intellectual capacity? This is how you contribute to the discussion? |
"Why the drop outs?
And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000, XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux. That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today. And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one. I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all. Telamon I see you bring discussion to a whole new level. You have a feeling and you dont want to let facts get in the way. What facts are you having a problem with? Have you bothered to read past discussions? I don't think so. I've read a lot of people complaining about IBOC with no specifics. And trying to engage you is apparently a futile effort. |
"Why the drop outs?
What station are you having trouble listening to from what location? Does it matter? What station is interefering with it? Does it matter? Well, do you want to add some credibility to your position? The nuns were right so go do some work on that one. I think you have more posts on this newsgroup than anyone else. |
"Why the drop outs?
In article
, Telamon wrote: In article , "A Brown" wrote: I'm sure you had something to say in your reply but what could it be? Are people that hate IBOC on the payroll for XM and Sirius? Does A Brown have anything in the way of intellectual capacity? Looks like the answer is no. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
In article ,
"A Brown" wrote: And what happenned to DOS? It turned into Win 3.1 Win 95, 98, 2000, XP...and people still had the choice of a MAC or Linux. That kind comparison or thinking is why IBOC is what it is today. And I'm glad to be using my Windows XP machine...and not the old DOS one. I'm not. I think it is to bad you have a computer at all. Telamon I see you bring discussion to a whole new level. You have a feeling and you dont want to let facts get in the way. What facts are you having a problem with? Have you bothered to read past discussions? I don't think so. I've read a lot of people complaining about IBOC with no specifics. And trying to engage you is apparently a futile effort. The answer is no again. At least you are consistent. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
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"A Brown" wrote: What station are you having trouble listening to from what location? Does it matter? What station is interefering with it? Does it matter? Well, do you want to add some credibility to your position? I suggest you read post on this topic. You will find plenty. The nuns were right so go do some work on that one. I think you have more posts on this newsgroup than anyone else. I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid answers like RHF. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
What station are you having trouble listening to from what location? Does it matter? What station is interefering with it? Does it matter? Well, do you want to add some credibility to your position? I suggest you read post on this topic. You will find plenty. The nuns were right so go do some work on that one. I think you have more posts on this newsgroup than anyone else. I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid answers like RHF. No you're the one posting stupid comments with nothing to say! |
"Why the drop outs?
"Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid answers like RHF. telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing to say.....and he's calling OTHERS stupid? telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts and with the least to say. i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little. |
"Why the drop outs?
"Rob" wrote in message ... "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid answers like RHF. telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing to say.....and he's calling OTHERS stupid? telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts and with the least to say. i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little. Telemon is what happens when they put computers in the rec room of the group home. |
The D'Oh! Poll : Vote for Telamon = The Guy on this Newsgroupwith the Most Post and the Least to Say
On May 10, 3:41*am, RHF wrote:
On May 9, 10:21*pm, "Rob" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid answers like RHF. - telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing - to say.....and he's calling OTHERS stupid? - - telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts - and with the least to say. - - i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little. The D'Oh! Poll : Vote for Telamon = The Guy on this Newsgroup with the Most Post and the Least to Say.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27oh%...lish.newwords/ D'Oh! You Too Can Say : I Support Telamon {Vote For Him} D'Oh! You Too Can Say : Shut-Up Already Telamon {Vote For Him} D'Oh! You Too May Realize : It's Another Post by Telamon That You "Choose" Not To Open and Read *{Vote For Him} Either Way You Will Make Telamon Happy When You {Vote For Him} Telamon Wants Your Vote {Vote For Him} Telamon Needs Your Vote {Vote For Him} d'oh! just for the fun of it ~ RHF {sir posts-a-lot a bandwidth bandit}http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...ndwidth+Bandit *. The Poll is Still Open . . . Have You Cast Your Vote Today ? |
The D'Oh! Poll : Vote for Telamon = The Guy on this Newsgroup with the Most Post and the Least to Say
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, RHF wrote: The Poll is Still Open . . . Have You Cast Your Vote Today ? . Why the need for a vote? You are the clear winner. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
I'm not the one asking stupid questions like you or generating stupid answers like RHF. telamon has post after post here with absolutey nothing to say.....and he's calling OTHERS stupid? telemon = the guy on this newsgroup with the most posts and with the least to say. i never saw someone use so much bandwidth to say so little. telamon is unique in his ability to be the most active member of a newsgroup yet adding so little to the discussion! He is a gift unto himself! A legend in his own mind! Telemon is what happens when they put computers in the rec room of the group home. Telemon has replaced his dick with his internet conection. (The internet conenction is longer.) |
"Why the drop outs?
dxAce wrote:
Nope, I'm just a more experienced DX'er than you are boy. I agree completely, but you should practice your spelling. It's not spelled Dick Xucker. mike |
"Why the drop outs?
In article ,
"A Brown" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "A. Nony Muss" wrote: No you're the one posting stupid comments with nothing to say! I have already said it all. Yet you keep posting nothing over andover again... Like you? This is the "I know you are but what am I" defense. I know you are an idiot that has nothing else better to do. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
In article ,
"A Brown" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "A. Nony Muss" wrote: You are the one asking stupid questions. Another useless post by Telemon... Like you again? This is the "I know you are but what am I" defense. See. This proves it. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
m II wrote: dxAce wrote: Nope, I'm just a more experienced DX'er than you are boy. I agree completely, but you should practice your spelling. It's not spelled Dick Xucker. And, I did not spell it that way, boy. |
"Why the drop outs?
"Radio Ron" wrote: But Telemon *owns* this group doncha' know? Or at least he thinks he does. Telamon wrote: I do own it You've mentioned two or three times now that you "own this newsgroup", but without going into any detail. Fair enough... ....but could you please explain -how- someone "owns" a newsgroup? A title? A deed? Please elaborate. Thank you. |
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