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"Why the drop outs?
"Why the drop outs?
"I just installed the jvc hdr1 hd radio in my accord. I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of the hd radio stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception... then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal... is this normal for hd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks in advance..." "HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than conventional reception on today's poor AM radios." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780 This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work, especialy in-dash! |
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On Apr 26, 4:59 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
"Why the drop outs? "I just installed the jvc hdr1 hd radio in my accord. I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of the hd radio stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception... then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal... is this normal for hd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks in advance..." "HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than conventional reception on today's poor AM radios." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780 This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work, especialy in-dash! Yep ! I'd ask for my money back . . . |
"Why the drop outs?
In article
, IBOCcrock wrote: "Why the drop outs? "I just installed the jvc hdr1 hd radio in my accord. I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of the hd radio stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception... then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal... is this normal for hd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks in advance..." "HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than conventional reception on today's poor AM radios." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780 This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work, especialy in-dash! The system works as expected. The problem is that peoples expectations are out of line. People want trouble free reception and this system will not do that. I don't know where you got the quote from but I have listened to HD AM radio and the sound quality sucks. HD AM sounding better than analog is pure BS. There is no technical reason to believe that HD AM can sound better than analog. I'll just keep on waiting for these 2nd generation radios to come out before I give HD another try. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
On Apr 26, 9:12�pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , �IBOCcrock wrote: "Why the drop outs? "I just installed the jvc hdr1 hd radio in my accord. I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of the hd radio stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception... then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal... is this normal for hd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks in advance..." "HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than conventional reception on today's poor AM radios." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780 This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work, especialy in-dash! The system works as expected. The problem is that peoples expectations are out of line. People want trouble free reception and this system will not do that. I don't know where you got the quote from but I have listened to HD AM radio and the sound quality sucks. HD AM sounding better than analog is pure BS. There is no technical reason to believe that HD AM can sound better than analog. I'll just keep on waiting for these 2nd generation radios to come out before I give HD another try. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The problem lies in the low-power IBOC signals, so new receivers won't help much, besides with digital, it's all-or-nothing, which consumers won't put up with. |
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On Apr 27, 4:56Â*am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Apr 26, 9:12�pm, Telamon wrote: In article , �IBOCcrock wrote: "Why the drop outs? "I just installed the jvc hdr1 hd radio in my accord. I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of the hd radio stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception... then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal... is this normal for hd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks in advance..." "HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than conventional reception on today's poor AM radios." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780 This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work, especialy in-dash! The system works as expected. The problem is that peoples expectations are out of line. People want trouble free reception and this system will not do that. I don't know where you got the quote from but I have listened to HD AM radio and the sound quality sucks. HD AM sounding better than analog is pure BS. There is no technical reason to believe that HD AM can sound better than analog. I'll just keep on waiting for these 2nd generation radios to come out before I give HD another try. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The problem lies in the low-power IBOC signals, so new receivers won't help much, besides with digital, it's all-or-nothing, which consumers won't put up with.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Drop-Outs - The Story of Celphone Digital Technology all over again Answer - More Digital Power At The Radio Tower ! hello fcc - one percent solution ain't working ~ RHF |
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On Apr 27, 8:19Â*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:56Â*am, IBOCcrock wrote: On Apr 26, 9:12�pm, Telamon wrote: In article , �IBOCcrock wrote: "Why the drop outs? "I just installed the jvc hdr1hd radioin my accord. I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of thehd radio stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception... then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal.... is this normal forhd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks in advance..." "HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than conventional reception on today's poor AM radios." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780 This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work, especialy in-dash! The system works as expected. The problem is that peoples expectations are out of line. People want trouble free reception and this system will not do that. I don't know where you got the quote from but I have listened to HD AM radio and the sound quality sucks. HD AM sounding better than analog is pure BS. There is no technical reason to believe that HD AM can sound better than analog. I'll just keep on waiting for these 2nd generation radios to come out before I give HD another try. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The problem lies in the low-power IBOC signals, so new receivers won't help much, besides with digital, it's all-or-nothing, which consumers won't put up with.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Drop-Outs - The Story of Celphone Digital Technology all over again Answer - More Digital Power At The Radio Tower ! hello fcc - one percent solution ain't working ~ RHF Â*.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - AND, neither will the proposed 10db FM-HD power increase help - it will result in unacceptable adjacent-channel interference, and require HD broadcasters to replace all transmitters, antennas, STLs, etc., so it isn't going to happen. Broadcasters are broke, and stocks in the dumpsters. |
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In article
, IBOCcrock wrote: On Apr 26, 9:12?pm, Telamon wrote: In article , ?IBOCcrock wrote: "Why the drop outs? "I just installed the jvc hdr1 hd radio in my accord. I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. I recieve alot of the hd radio stations, but I am also getting alot of drop outs in my reception... then it takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes less, to get the music back.... I searched for some kind of antenna amplifier, but no deal... is this normal for hd radio, do I need to buy a new antenna, if I am receiving my regular stations fine? I am in NJ.. I get alot of the NJ and NY hd stations which is the reason why I purchased it.... thanks in advance..." "HD1 should switch back to analog FM, this can be very very very annoying if the volume level or timing is way off, but you should not experience a dropout. HD2 and HD3 are subject to frequent dropouts making their use in a moving vehicle more than annoying. Gerrrrr. Just who thought this was going to be a practical technology since most people listen to radio in their moving vehicles? I don't experience these issues with AM HD and it does sound 100 times better than conventional reception on today's poor AM radios." http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022780 This inherently-flawed digital system is never going to work, especialy in-dash! The system works as expected. The problem is that peoples expectations are out of line. People want trouble free reception and this system will not do that. I don't know where you got the quote from but I have listened to HD AM radio and the sound quality sucks. HD AM sounding better than analog is pure BS. There is no technical reason to believe that HD AM can sound better than analog. I'll just keep on waiting for these 2nd generation radios to come out before I give HD another try. - Show quoted text - The problem lies in the low-power IBOC signals, so new receivers won't help much, besides with digital, it's all-or-nothing, which consumers won't put up with. No. The problem is that it is a lousy design. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am
stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. |
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On May 2, 8:49 pm, "Scooter" wrote:
I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. I may buy one of these things if it's at a Dollar store, - or in an electronics Bin on Canal Street in NYC.. The technology of Rel 1.0 is probably meant for " Lab Only " conditions, and , with so many reflections, the electronics doubtless just throw up their hands & quit They might be good for something; Doorstop, Boat anchor , etc.. BarnegatDx |
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"Scooter" wrote: I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. |
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"A Brown" wrote in message ... "Scooter" wrote: I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary analog, which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. |
"Why the drop outs?
I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary analog... Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know what HD radio is... which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios But those radio's don't/won't last forever....what will they be replaced with? What will be in the cars they will buy in 2-3-4 or 5 years from now? In the past many were content with AM radios. When they replaced them, they wanted newer technology (FM). Now you can't even buy a radio without FM, right? (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. |
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On May 5, 8:06*pm, "A Brown" wrote:
I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. *ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. *The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! *And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary analog... Listeners have not made any conscious choice. *Most of them don't even know what HD radio is... which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios But those radio's don't/won't last forever....what will they be replaced with? *What will be in the cars they will buy in 2-3-4 or 5 years from now? In the past many were content with AM radios. *When they replaced them, they wanted newer technology (FM). Now you can't even buy a radio without FM, right? (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A Brown - Wait a day or two and someone will come along and call you an IBCO Shill. ~ RHF |
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"A Brown" wrote in message t... (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, which HAS been proved many times over. Before IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a captive audience to local stations.. those that didn't just turn off their radios completely and listen to CD's and MP3's. It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many others, don't like being told what to listen to. |
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Brenda Ann wrote: "A Brown" wrote in message t... (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, which HAS been proved many times over. Before IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a captive audience to local stations.. those that didn't just turn off their radios completely and listen to CD's and MP3's. It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many others, don't like being told what to listen to. 'Eduardo' will be around shortly to straighten your thinking out after he recovers from the Cinco de Mayo festivities. |
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In article , A Brown
wrote: I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary analog... Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know what HD radio is... which they can already receive without replacing all their existing radios But those radio's don't/won't last forever....what will they be replaced with? What will be in the cars they will buy in 2-3-4 or 5 years from now? In the past many were content with AM radios. When they replaced them, they wanted newer technology (FM). Now you can't even buy a radio without FM, right? (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. Why in the bloody h*ll are you posting to r.r.s.? You obviously have no appreciation of DX, be it SWL or MW. (Sorry to be harsh, but my mind's ear hears Bugs saying, "Ehhhh, what a Maroon!") -j |
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(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. I'm telling you what you should expect to be able to hear. There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover limited areas. If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then you're out of luck. And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, I think I have....When Is aid this: If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. Well, this is an isolated example. The industry was not set up to protect stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. And in these cases, it is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. (97.1 & 97.3) But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? So you can listen to one station in your car? I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city of service. IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and potential. The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant stations? At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a captive audience to local stations.. You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area? It's supposed to be a free country. I for one, and there are a great many others, don't like being told what to listen to. It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer technologies. |
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If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A Brown - Wait a day or two and someone will come along and call you an IBCO Shill. ~ RHF yes, and I MUST be on the board of iBiquity, etc. At least Brenda Ann posted why she isn't a fan of IBOC. The rest seem to be on some kind of tirade without any foundation. |
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On May 6, 10:20�pm, "A Brown" wrote:
(well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. |
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wrote in message ... On May 6, 10:20?pm, "A Brown" wrote: (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. ?I'm telling you what you should expect to be able to hear. There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover limited areas. ?If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then you're out of luck. And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, I think I have....When Is aid this: If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. Well, this is an isolated example. ?The industry was not set up to protect stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. ?And in these cases, it is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. ?(97.1 & 97.3) But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? ?So you can listen to one station in your car? I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city of service. IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and potential. The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant stations? At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a captive audience to local stations.. You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area? It's supposed to be a free country. ?I for one, and there are a great many others, don't like being told what to listen to. It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer technologies. You are obviously associated with HD Radio in some capacity Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radio must Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh? Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. HD Radio is a farce HD radio is a new technology that offers many new features to typical broadcast radio. You or I won't decide it's fate. Consumers, manufacturers and broadcasters will. Give it a rest |
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In article ,
"A Brown" wrote: I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary analog... Listeners have not made any conscious choice. Most of them don't even know what HD radio is... I have and so have others. HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon wrote:
HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha. Sounds like 'Lost Signal Detection' abuse to me. mike leary II |
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On May 6, 8:14*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *"A Brown" wrote: I agree with Telamon HD technonogy sucks! Not similar, much like the way Am stereo was mismanged and look what happend.. it died. It's different..... The FCC refused to pick an AM stereo standard...therefore there were competing and incompatible systems on the air. *ANd manufacturers had to choose which format to create radios for it. *The "market chooses" approach took too long, and when a system became the standard, there was no music left on AM. In this case there is ONE standard! *And everybody is on board with it! Car manufacturers don't have to pick a standard, stations dont have to pick a standard, listeners don't have to pick a standard. Listeners, by and large, have chosen their preferred standard: ordinary analog... Listeners have not made any conscious choice. *Most of them don't even know what HD radio is... I have and so have others. - HD radio, tune in, turn on, and drop out. Ha ha ha. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Teli - Almost read like a 'david' post. ~ RHF |
"Why the drop outs?
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"A Brown" wrote: wrote in message ... On May 6, 10:20?pm, "A Brown" wrote: (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. ?I'm telling you what you should expect to be able to hear. There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover limited areas. ?If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then you're out of luck. And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, I think I have....When Is aid this: If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. Well, this is an isolated example. ?The industry was not set up to protect stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. ?And in these cases, it is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. ?(97.1 & 97.3) But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? ?So you can listen to one station in your car? I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city of service. IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and potential. The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant stations? At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a captive audience to local stations.. You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area? It's supposed to be a free country. ?I for one, and there are a great many others, don't like being told what to listen to. It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer technologies. You are obviously associated with HD Radio in some capacity Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radio must Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh? Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. My HD radio is working fine! It must be you. |
"Why the drop outs?
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"Radio Ron" wrote: Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. My HD radio is working fine! It must be you. You must be nuts. You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Why the drop outs?
On May 6, 11:12�pm, "A Brown" wrote:
wrote in message ... On May 6, 10:20?pm, "A Brown" wrote: (well, much of the time anyway.. since IBOC interferes with reception of adjacent, second adjacent, and even in some cases, co-channel reception. IBOc doesn't "interfere" with anything you really want to listen to. If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. Please don't try to tell ME or anyone else what we DON'T want to hear. I'm not trying to tell you what you WANT to hear. ?I'm telling you what you should expect to be able to hear. There are millions of people across the country that do not live in major metro areas, and don't want to listen to their local radio. Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover limited areas. ?If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then you're out of luck. And you didn't even address adjacent channel and second adjacent interference, I think I have....When Is aid this: If there is a co-chanel station you want to hear, you are probably not in the priomary listening zone...as stations would not be placed that close to each other in the same area. efore IBOC, there were two co-owned stations, one in Seattle on 97.3, one in Portland on 97.1. I could listen to the same programming (not something I care about in most cases, but in this case I did) all the way from Portland to Seattle, and only need to click the radio up one position at some point around Longview/Kelso. Now, anywhere in that middle area, it's nearly impossible to listen to EITHER signal. Well, this is an isolated example. ?The industry was not set up to protect stations broadcasting on two different frequecies. ?And in these cases, it is rare that a station would broadcawst on two adjacent channels. ?(97.1 & 97.3) But, what you are saying is that because of this one situation in the Portland/Seattle area....all technology should stop? ?So you can listen to one station in your car? I know many people in Longview/Kelso. Most of those I know do not listen to local radio. They listen to Portland radio (and watch Portland television). The stations in Portland are licensed to PORTLAND...and that is their city of service. IBOC has given the people of Portland a better listening experience and potential. The people of Portland (A major city) should be deprived of the newer technology so the people in Longview/Kelso area can hear their distant stations? At least they did until several of the stations started running IBOC, now they're a captive audience to local stations.. You mean the stations that were intended to serve your area? It's supposed to be a free country. ?I for one, and there are a great many others, don't like being told what to listen to. It's also a free country where stations are free to incorperate newer technologies. You are obviously associated withHD Radioin some capacity Oh, here we go....Anyone who looks at the subject without the "HD Radiomust Die" attitude has to be accused of working for iBiquity, eh? Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. HD Radiois a farce HD radiois a new technology that offers many new features to typical broadcast radio. You or I won't decide it's fate. �Consumers, manufacturers and broadcasters will. Give it a rest- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Deal with it - oh, I heard that a thousand times from IBOC-shills! HD/ IBOC will be the downfall of the broadcast indusrt. Conversions to FM- HD has jsut about stalled, and definately stalled with AM-HD - LOL! |
"Why the drop outs?
On May 7, 1:10*am, "Radio Ron" wrote:
Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. MyHD radiois working fine! It must be you. “Is HD Radio Toast?” “There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. The engineers of Ibiquity may argue otherwise and defend the system, but the industry has a serious PR problem with the very people we need to get the word out on HD... In other words, everything you can find on the regular FM dial... The word has already gotten out about HD Radio. People who have already bought an HD Radio are telling others of their experience (mostly bad) and no amount of marketing will reverse this.” http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772 "IBOC TECHNOLOGY: An Assessment of Technical & Operational Issues in the Canadian FM Radio Environment" "For a variety of reasons relating to the time requirements for digital signal processing, it takes 8-10 seconds for the digital audio signals to be heard when an HD Radio receiver is first tuned to a transmission. Likewise, it can take equally long to restore digital quality when the signal fails and then returns again. A secondary consequence of this processing delay is that programming fed to the analog FM transmitter must be delayed by 8-10 seconds whenever the blending feature is being utilized. This ensures that content is not lost when the receiver switches back to analog mode during a digital signal failure. Stations using this technology may need to implement certain internal operational changes to accommodate the fact that off- air listeners will experience delays of up to 10 seconds with both the analog and digital versions of their programming. Since no analog program version exists for ancillary HD2 or HD3 programming, listeners experiencing digital failures must simply tolerate audio outages until the signal restores itself." http://www.cab-acr.ca/english/radio/...port_final.pdf Yea, working like a champ - LOL! |
"Why the drop outs?
"just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. MyHD radiois working fine! It must be you. “Is HD Radio Toast?” “There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM! (And we all k now how that turned out!) |
"Why the drop outs?
Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. My HD radio is working fine! It must be you. You must be nuts. You meant to say HD is working like crap. That I could believe. Nope. I'm listening right now. Works fine here. It's you. You probably never got a cell phone becuase your old CB radio works just fine, right? |
"Why the drop outs?
"A Brown" wrote in message ... Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with existing services. IBOC is being almost universally panned. It's a non-starter. A very few thousand early adapters (nerds, and not even that many nerds) have bothered to buy the radios. IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus, and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere within the city grade contours of existing stations. |
"Why the drop outs?
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "A Brown" wrote in message ... Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with existing services. And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are not required to cover your area. IBOC is being almost universally panned. If this was the case, there wouldn't be radios for sale or stations that broadcast in IBOC. The onl;y "universal panning" that is going on is by people who want to hold back technological innovation. IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard? and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere within the city grade contours of existing stations. The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... |
"Why the drop outs?
Well radio station's signals don't cover the earth...they only cover
limited areas. If you do not live in an area that is covered by a station...then you're out of luck. That's bull****. The FCC specifically requires that top tier clear channel stations provide service to interurban areas. There is no such thing as "clear channel" stations anymore. Please get with the 20th century. |
"Why the drop outs?
"dave" wrote in message ... A Brown wrote: Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. Color TV and FM stereo didn't wipe out extra spectrum when they were introduced. Nor is IBOC. Where is it written that everything has to be digital? Read carefully: P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S |
"Why the drop outs?
"dave" wrote in message . .. Radio Ron wrote: "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. MyHD radiois working fine! It must be you. “Is HD Radio Toast?” “There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM! (And we all k now how that turned out!) Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know. Maybe it was before your time.... "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear". "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my (staticky) FM?" |
"Why the drop outs?
"dave" wrote in message . .. Radio Ron wrote: Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. SNIP "just like"? Heck no, that stuff works. My HD radio is working fine! It must be you. If one wants to listen to 1150 in Los Angeles in the morning one must put up with IBOC crap from 1140 in Sacto and 1160 in SLC. Not if you are in LA....which is the city of service for 1150AM. A service to thousands is diminished for the benefit of a handful of techies. No, for the benefit of listeners in LA...which is the service area for 1150AM. |
"Why the drop outs?
"Radio Ron" wrote in message . .. "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "A Brown" wrote in message ... Its a new technology...just like Color TV, Stereo, RDS, etc. Deal with it. Color TV, stereo FM, stereo AM, RDS, SCA, etc. did not interfere with existing services. And IOBOC doesn't either...unless youa re listening to stations that are not required to cover your area. IBOC is being almost universally panned. If this was the case, there wouldn't be radios for sale or stations that broadcast in IBOC. The onl;y "universal panning" that is going on is by people who want to hold back technological innovation. IBOC has elicited a massive ennui from the American populus How lonf did FM take to be the accepted standard? and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere within the city grade contours of existing stations. The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... I'm talking about local stations in said localities, many within their protected contours. |
"Why the drop outs?
and interference complaints (especially with nighttime AM IBOC) from many stations in the US, Canada and Mexico, where IBOC sidebands interfere within the city grade contours of existing stations. The FCC isn't protecting nightime clear channel stations anymore... I'm talking about local stations in said localities, many within their protected contours. Please cite the case you are speaking about.... Where does a local station get interfered with in their own city of license or protected contour by another stations IBOC. I have never heard of such a case. |
"Why the drop outs?
"There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM! (And we all k now how that turned out!) Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know. Maybe it was before your time.... "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear". "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my (staticky) FM?" Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM Band, right? Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I don't want one!" |
"Why the drop outs?
"A Brown" wrote in message ... "There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. Gee, sounds like the stuff they used to say about FM! (And we all k now how that turned out!) Nobody ever said that about FM as far as I know. Maybe it was before your time.... "I can't pick it up!" "It needs a BIG antenna". "I costs more". "There's Nothing on FM I would want to hear". "Same thing I can get on AM." "Who needs an FM Radio when I have my (staticky) FM?" Then came a time when radio manufacturers were required to include the FM Band, right? Add to that "I don't see why they are making me buy and FM radio when I don't want one!" Radio manufacturers were NEVER, and are still not, "required" to include the FM band. There are still AM-only pocket radios on the market to this day. FM was added to more radios within a given line as it became more popular. FM gained popularity primarily due to content, and not fidelity. The average person doesn't know fidelity from Fido. The most popular 'hard rock' radio station in Portland for several years (even with 3 such stations available on FM) was an AM station licensed to Vancouver, WA. Content made it successful, over the better fidelity of the FM stations (well, that, and some coverage issues... even with a 100,000 watt transmitter, there are just some places in the Portland market that cannot receive good FM signals). |
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