On May 24, 10:50*am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





*RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

*RHF wrote:

SNIP

- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..

Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF

SNIP

OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.

*.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©

I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .

To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.

Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.

Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.

Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.

waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF

On May 25, 4:29*pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

*RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.
*.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .

To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.

Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.

Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.

Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.

waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
*.

* *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

* *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

* *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.

* *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

* *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

* *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM,

To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.

IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.

~ RHF

On May 25, 5:39*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*D Peter Maus wrote:





RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

*RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.
*.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .

To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.

Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.

Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.

Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.

waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
*.

* *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

* *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

* *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.

* *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

* *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

* *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.

I have a rear window antenna on my current car and it works well on FM
and AM. I get very good distant station reception and around here with
the low rolling coastal hills and big mountain ranges the reception is
as good as one could hope for in a car. For example the 5KW KOGO in San
Diego comes in like a local station during the daytime from 168 miles
away.

If I'm going up the highway 33 to Ojai the distant stations disappear or
come in poorly but a whip antenna will not make that any better.

I like cars without an external whip antenna. The outside design is
cleaner. The best solution to the vandalism problem is a motor
retractable whip antenna if you have one.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Telamon - YMMV

Both of the In-the-Window tiny-wire Antennas loose
the signal coming down the country-lane road to the
House and the Radio goes silent.

While both of the Whip Antennas still hold their Signal
and you can still listen to those Car's Radios in the Drive
Way.

But then I have to use a Single-Turn 70-Foot Triangle
Loop Antenna with the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio
to get it to pick-up any AM/MW HD-Radio Stations.

this is an RF challenging location ~ RHF

RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.
.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .
To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.
Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.
Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.
Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.
waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
.
Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.

One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM,

To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.

IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.

~ RHF
.


In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is
effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take
the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance
deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights
light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely
happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer
than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their
lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio.

Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.
Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let
alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value
appearance over performance, in very nearly every application.

If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home
would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna
restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first
few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the
case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't
need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as
externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine
Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.

In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so
funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.
.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .
To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.
Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.
Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.
Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.
waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
.
Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.

One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM,

To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.

IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.

~ RHF
.


In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is
effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take
the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance
deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights
light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely
happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer
than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their
lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio.

I bought the highest upgrade sound system the manufacturer offered.
There were no radio specifications to look over in any event just the
audio specifications so I took my chances and it turned out OK.

Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.
Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let
alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value
appearance over performance, in very nearly every application.

My choices are to read RHF advocating CAT LITTER in the ground system
here or read the nincompoops in amateur antenna group talk about
electrons sloshing back and forth in the coax due to VSWR.

It takes real effort to be that far off base.

If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home
would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna
restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first
few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the
case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't
need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as
externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine
Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.

And eat Quiche while they are driving the Prius.

TV's could work perfectly fine with an internal antenna I just don't
think people would want to live in an environment that RF saturated or
be forced to live within a mile or two of the transmitter.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On May 26, 5:04*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.
*.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .
To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.
Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.
Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.
Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.
waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
*.
* *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

* *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

* *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.

* *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

* *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

* *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM,

To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.

IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.

~ RHF
*.

* *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is
effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take
the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance
deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights
light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely
happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer
than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their
lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio.

* Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance..
Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let
alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value
appearance over performance, in very nearly every application.

* *If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home
would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna
restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first
few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the
case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't
need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as
externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine
Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM - You should copyright this line ~ RHF

"Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance."
* We live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.
* * A culture of highly cultivated ignorance..

On May 26, 11:05*am, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*D Peter Maus wrote:





RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so
funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.
*.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .
To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.
Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.
Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.
Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.
waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
*.
* *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

* *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

* *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage..
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes..
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.

* *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

* *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

* *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM,

To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.

IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.

~ RHF
*.

* *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is
effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take
the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance
deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights
light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely
happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer
than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their
lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio.

I bought the highest upgrade sound system the manufacturer offered.
There were no radio specifications to look over in any event just the
audio specifications so I took my chances and it turned out OK.

* *Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.
Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let
alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value
appearance over performance, in very nearly every application.

- My choices are to read RHF advocating CAT LITTER
- in the ground system here

Telamon - It has it's technical merits.

"Great Ground with Kitten Litter -by- Guy Atkins
-source- HCDX List, August 10, 2000
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...bentonite.html
Bentonite -aka- Cat/Kitty Litter
-he notes- There was a IEEE paper written some years ago
about Bentonite grounds.

- or read the nincompoops in amateur antenna group
- talk about electrons sloshing back and forth in the
- coax due to VSWR.

Telamon - I might call them Hams of just plan boring to Listen to...
-but- The word 'nincompoops' does not come to my mind
when I think of Amateur Radio Operators.
-plus- If you are really interested in the technical aspects
of Amateur Radio Antennas with a fair measure of practical
know how the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Group is a
good place to go for an Answer and do some learning.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...ateur.antenna/

To Be Honest Telamon - I think that the Good {Knowledgeable}
Members of the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Newsgroup
have handed you your Hat too many times and you simply
can not hang-with-them. -ps- I know that I can't.

Telamon- I quess I will have to add 'nincompoops' to the
List of Names that you enjoy calling 'other' Posters :
Retard, Moron, Idiot, and now Nincompoops.

Honestly how did calling them 'nincompoops' elevate
your status here or your own personal wellbeing ??

It takes real effort to be that far off base.

* *If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home
would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna
restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first
few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the
case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't
need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as
externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine
Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.

And eat Quiche while they are driving the Prius.

TV's could work perfectly fine with an internal antenna I just don't
think people would want to live in an environment that RF saturated or
be forced to live within a mile or two of the transmitter.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

RHF wrote:
On May 26, 5:04 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be
good.
.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .
To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.
Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.
Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.
Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.
waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
.
Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.
The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.
But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.
One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.
Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.
But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
DPM,
To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.
IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.
~ RHF
.
In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is
effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take
the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance
deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights
light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely
happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer
than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their
lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio.

Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance..
Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let
alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value
appearance over performance, in very nearly every application.

If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home
would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna
restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first
few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the
case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't
need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as
externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine
Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM - You should copyright this line ~ RHF

"Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance."
* We live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.
* * A culture of highly cultivated ignorance..
.


It's not the sort of thing anyone of us should be proud of.

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On May 26, 11:05*am, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*D Peter Maus wrote:





RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article

,
*RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so
funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should
be
good.
*.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight
forward on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You
can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot
anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .
To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.
Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.
Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.
Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.
waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
*.
* *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

* *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up
the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

* *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city
owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the
strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the
cost
of some fringe performance.

* *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

* *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

* *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM,

To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.

IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.

~ RHF
*.

* *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is
effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take
the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance
deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights
light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely
happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer
than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their
lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio.

I bought the highest upgrade sound system the manufacturer offered.
There were no radio specifications to look over in any event just the
audio specifications so I took my chances and it turned out OK.

* *Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.
Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let
alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value
appearance over performance, in very nearly every application.

- My choices are to read RHF advocating CAT LITTER
- in the ground system here

Telamon - It has it's technical merits.

"Great Ground with Kitten Litter -by- Guy Atkins
-source- HCDX List, August 10, 2000
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...bentonite.html
Bentonite -aka- Cat/Kitty Litter
-he notes- There was a IEEE paper written some years ago
about Bentonite grounds.

- or read the nincompoops in amateur antenna group
- talk about electrons sloshing back and forth in the
- coax due to VSWR.

Telamon - I might call them Hams of just plan boring to Listen to...
-but- The word 'nincompoops' does not come to my mind
when I think of Amateur Radio Operators.
-plus- If you are really interested in the technical aspects
of Amateur Radio Antennas with a fair measure of practical
know how the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Group is a
good place to go for an Answer and do some learning.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...ateur.antenna/

To Be Honest Telamon - I think that the Good {Knowledgeable}
Members of the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Newsgroup
have handed you your Hat too many times and you simply
can not hang-with-them. -ps- I know that I can't.

There is a difference between knowing facts and understanding. Some
people in that news group have the former but none have the later.

I never had "my hat handed" to me.

Telamon- I quess I will have to add 'nincompoops' to the
List of Names that you enjoy calling 'other' Posters :
Retard, Moron, Idiot, and now Nincompoops.

No I don't enjoy it. Maybe you do.

Honestly how did calling them 'nincompoops' elevate
your status here or your own personal wellbeing ??

There are several nincompoops no better than you that post there nearly
everyday.

My status? What the hell do you mean by that? Whatever screwed up idea
you have going there has nothing to do with me.

You still don't get it do you. There are news groups. You post news and
information as a public resource. If you are not doing that then get
lost.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
RHF wrote:

On May 26, 5:04*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:
SNIP
- I have the antenna that is in the rear window..
Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF
SNIP
OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so
funny
about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should
be
good.
*.
Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread
with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling.
Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't
backup in any way.
PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit©
I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward
on
topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't
answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot
anyway.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . .
To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna
that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car.
Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the
Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most
of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna
had Good overall Reception.
Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception.
Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and
both have Radio Reception problems driving down the
Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other'
two Cars do not.
waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF
*.
* *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two
problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs
were created to resolve a reception issue.

* *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind
noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The
whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also
whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems
by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the
length of the whip. Both problems solved.

* *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners
have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.
And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain
off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.
The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost
of some fringe performance.

* *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two
element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath
interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window
antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system.

* *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of
the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over
for years.

* *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae
were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The
whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to
manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of
radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM,

To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single
{Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception.

IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires
can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna.

~ RHF
*.

* *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is
effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take
the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance
deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights
light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely
happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer
than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their
lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio.

* Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance..
Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let
alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value
appearance over performance, in very nearly every application.

* *If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home
would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna
restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first
few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the
case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't
need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as
externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine
Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

DPM - You should copyright this line ~ RHF

"Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance."
* We live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.
* * A culture of highly cultivated ignorance..
.

Yeah, I give you permission to use RHF's picture next to it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California