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McClatchy "Beeline" Radio Stations : KBHK, KWG, KMJ, KERN, & KOH
David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... RHF wrote: McClatchy "Beeline" Radio Stations "Gabby" the Bee - created by- Walt Disney for McClatchy Broadcasting : http://www.radioblvd.com/nevradiohist.htm KBHK in Sacramento . KFBK, Sparky. Check out their co-linear antennas. Very cool. (Just setting the record straight-**** you very much) The antennas are called Franklin antennas, consisting of a fed top half wave section with another, insulated from the top, half wave below it. Most efficient AM antenna design known. You didn't own one of those either. Maybe KFBK will let you pretend that you own theirs! Actually, they have several. KFBK is, I think, the only directional built with Franklins. Wow, you can then pretend to own something very unique. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:43:02 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin KFI has a better news department and delivery than KNX. Now if they could only deliver it beyond LA county, till then it's KNX that gets heard down here. KFI has vastly better coverage than KNX.and gets four times the listenership in SD that KNX does. Of course, the fact that the KFI transmitter is not even IN LA County escapes you. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"ASCII" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: And KNX has less than a quarter of the KFI audience. I'll bet that changes during an earthquake Unlikely. Since earthquakes generally run less than 60 seconds, changing station during them is improbable. |
San Diego, CA's Better Radio Signal Coverage : KNX ? -or- KFI ?
On Jun 4, 9:38*am, Bart Bailey wrote:
In posted on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 02:08:18 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin * - - KFI is designed to 'cover' San Diego as a Local. - Yes it does, - I was mistakenly thinking about KFWB, the news station - he originally suggested as a replacement for KNX KFWB-AM 980 kHz is only 5 KW from Los Angeles, CA. which is 10% of the Power (50 KW) of both KFI and KNX. http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...=KFWB&sr=Y&s=C KFWB is a different story in that it's 'local' Service Area in the South ends around San Clemente. http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...atus=L&hours=U KFWB would have to have at least 25 KW during the Day to be a 'local' in the San Diego Metro Area and maybe 10 KW at night. ymmv ~ RHF |
San Diego, CA's Better Radio Signal Coverage : KNX ? -or- KFI ?
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 02:08:18 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin KFI is designed to 'cover' San Diego as a Local. Yes it does, I was mistakenly thinking about KFWB, the news station he originally suggested as a replacement for KNX None of them... KFI, KFWB or KNX program for or sell in san Diego. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:17:28 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:43:02 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin KFI has a better news department and delivery than KNX. Now if they could only deliver it beyond LA county, till then it's KNX that gets heard down here. KFI has vastly better coverage than KNX.and gets four times the listenership in SD that KNX does. Of course, the fact that the KFI transmitter is not even IN LA County escapes you. As I responded to Roy, Yes KFI is among the San Diego offerings, even if not thought of as a 'news' station like KNX is. I was still thinking of the weak, almost non-existant KFWB. Hey Fraklestein, see, I can acknowledge my mistakes, maybe you could try it too? None of the three program for or have any interest in listenership in San Diego, signal or not. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"ASCII" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "ASCII" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: And KNX has less than a quarter of the KFI audience. I'll bet that changes during an earthquake Unlikely. Since earthquakes generally run less than 60 seconds, changing station during them is improbable. It's the addled moments right after the shaking stops that people will change stations, or even turn the radio on if it wasn't already, whereas 'during' the event, they are likely trying to decide if they should evacuate their structure or just hold onto something. You said, "during an earthquake." And that is wrong. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
ASCII wrote: David Eduardo wrote: It's the addled moments right after the shaking stops that people will change stations, or even turn the radio on if it wasn't already, whereas 'during' the event, they are likely trying to decide if they should evacuate their structure or just hold onto something. You said, "during an earthquake." And that is wrong. An earthquake event is considered to consist of a series of shocks and after the initial one there are usually several aftershocks with the interludes consisting of anxious people tuning to KNX. I can see why so many people think you're such a nit picking jerk. Look up the definition of the word 'pedant'. Or better yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant Note the 'Usage of term' and the 'Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder' sections. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... None of the three program for or have any interest in listenership in San Diego, signal or not. They just pay Tom Reopelle to hang out here, is that it? There's not much San Diego news that KNX doesn't cover. They only occasionally get any ratings at all there, and Tom is there it report SoCal news for LA metro listeners, not for SD listeners. It's abureau, not a local service. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"ASCII" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: It's the addled moments right after the shaking stops that people will change stations, or even turn the radio on if it wasn't already, whereas 'during' the event, they are likely trying to decide if they should evacuate their structure or just hold onto something. You said, "during an earthquake." And that is wrong. An earthquake event is considered to consist of a series of shocks and after the initial one there are usually several aftershocks with the interludes consisting of anxious people tuning to KNX. I can see why so many people think you're such a nit picking jerk. An aftershock is a separate earthquake or temblor. It's a separate incident. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:00:36 -0400, dxAce wrote: Begin ASCII wrote: David Eduardo wrote: It's the addled moments right after the shaking stops that people will change stations, or even turn the radio on if it wasn't already, whereas 'during' the event, they are likely trying to decide if they should evacuate their structure or just hold onto something. You said, "during an earthquake." And that is wrong. An earthquake event is considered to consist of a series of shocks and after the initial one there are usually several aftershocks with the interludes consisting of anxious people tuning to KNX. I can see why so many people think you're such a nit picking jerk. Look up the definition of the word 'pedant'. Or better yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant Note the 'Usage of term' and the 'Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder' sections. The more serious the threat to his credibility he perceives, the more he goes into an OCD compensatory mode until the vicious cycle eventually implodes. Glad I'm not in LA, That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
David Eduardo wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:00:36 -0400, dxAce wrote: Begin ASCII wrote: David Eduardo wrote: It's the addled moments right after the shaking stops that people will change stations, or even turn the radio on if it wasn't already, whereas 'during' the event, they are likely trying to decide if they should evacuate their structure or just hold onto something. You said, "during an earthquake." And that is wrong. An earthquake event is considered to consist of a series of shocks and after the initial one there are usually several aftershocks with the interludes consisting of anxious people tuning to KNX. I can see why so many people think you're such a nit picking jerk. Look up the definition of the word 'pedant'. Or better yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant Note the 'Usage of term' and the 'Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder' sections. The more serious the threat to his credibility he perceives, the more he goes into an OCD compensatory mode until the vicious cycle eventually implodes. Glad I'm not in LA, That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes. Actually it explains just why you're a pedant, oh faux one. Now go pretend that you own the Empire State Building. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... None of the three program for or have any interest in listenership in San Diego, signal or not. They just pay Tom Reopelle to hang out here, is that it? There's not much San Diego news that KNX doesn't cover. Just checked 78% of the KNX San Diego audience (what is called cume) is in-car. The average station's in-car usage is about 30%, not 78%. This would indicate people who drive between the LA market (LA and Orange) and San Diego, but live in SD County; they are listening to KNX for the LA traffic (they do essentially no SD traffic) as they commute into and out of the LA market to a home in SD County. In any case, the listening to KNX in SD is so little it occasionally does not even show up in any or most of the tables of the ratings. In the "sales demo" of 25-54, KNX is second from last with a 33rd place showing for Winter, 2008. |
San Diego, CA's Better Radio Signal Coverage : KNX ? -or- KFI?
Bart Bailey wrote:
In posted on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:06:43 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin None of them... KFI, KFWB or KNX program for or sell in san Diego. Makes no difference to how they're being received here and at what strength, or even the quality of programming, unless you're implying the LA target audience doesn't deserve the best any station can offer. And if KNX doesn't care about San Diego, what's Tom Reopelle doing here? 'Dwardo et al know nothing about radio, beyond lowest common denominator fast bucks. Their approach has led to an unlistenable medium, where the majority of the audience is dismissed because they don't respond well to ****ty commercials. Radio is theater of the mind. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
dxAce wrote:
David Eduardo wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:00:36 -0400, dxAce wrote: Begin ASCII wrote: David Eduardo wrote: It's the addled moments right after the shaking stops that people will change stations, or even turn the radio on if it wasn't already, whereas 'during' the event, they are likely trying to decide if they should evacuate their structure or just hold onto something. You said, "during an earthquake." And that is wrong. An earthquake event is considered to consist of a series of shocks and after the initial one there are usually several aftershocks with the interludes consisting of anxious people tuning to KNX. I can see why so many people think you're such a nit picking jerk. Look up the definition of the word 'pedant'. I'd be trying to keep the 50" TV from falling over. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
dxAce wrote:
David Eduardo wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:00:36 -0400, dxAce wrote: Begin ASCII wrote: David Eduardo wrote: It's the addled moments right after the shaking stops that people will change stations, or even turn the radio on if it wasn't already, whereas 'during' the event, they are likely trying to decide if they should evacuate their structure or just hold onto something. You said, "during an earthquake." And that is wrong. An earthquake event is considered to consist of a series of shocks and after the initial one there are usually several aftershocks with the interludes consisting of anxious people tuning to KNX. I can see why so many people think you're such a nit picking jerk. Look up the definition of the word 'pedant'. Or better yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant Note the 'Usage of term' and the 'Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder' sections. The more serious the threat to his credibility he perceives, the more he goes into an OCD compensatory mode until the vicious cycle eventually implodes. Glad I'm not in LA, That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes. Actually it explains just why you're a pedant, oh faux one. Now go pretend that you own the Empire State Building. ROFLMAO! |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:14:16 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... None of the three program for or have any interest in listenership in San Diego, signal or not. They just pay Tom Reopelle to hang out here, is that it? There's not much San Diego news that KNX doesn't cover. They only occasionally get any ratings at all there, Ratings are only for hucksters to brandish about, my S-meter makes no distinction on the signals I receive. Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based on what signal level is required to get ratings. Besides, with KNX being an information resource, it's not the type entertainment that drooling dolts who bother to do ratings surveys would be interested in. I see, then that is why good all-news WTOP in DC is #1 in the entire market. KNX just has no appeal in SD, and the signal in all except the extreme coastal areas is not at the level that listeners require to actually use a station. In any case, KNX or the local hip hop station are both sustained by ratings and the conversion of ratings into revenue, generally in very close proportion to the ratings delivery. There is no other metric in larger markets to judge radio by besides ratings, and each station exists based on generating ratings numbers. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:17:21 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes. First, I don't care about artificial 'ratings' If you owned or worked at a radio station, they would be one of your primary concerns. and second I do understand and care about real phenomena. If you think people tune in to the radio during an earthquake, I doubt even that. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:15:35 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin An aftershock is a separate earthquake or temblor. It's a separate incident. Then why are Northridge or Loma Prieta each referred to as an earthquake (singular) instead of clusters? The Northridge quake occurred at 4:31 AM on January 14, 1994. Everything else was an aftershock. Nether Northridge nor Loma Prieta were clusters. A cluster is a long sequence of many similarly sized events that runs at about the same level for many days and even weeks, such as the one last year centered around the Southeastern end of the Salton Sea. Northridge was a major quake followed be decreasing and smaller aftershocks where the average daily activity is on a decline. Clusters often remain at comparable intensity and frequency levels for many, many days. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
On Jun 5, 3:58*pm, Bart Bailey wrote:
In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:24:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin * "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:14:16 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... None of the three program for or have any interest in listenership in San Diego, signal or not. They just pay Tom Reopelle to hang out here, is that it? There's not much San Diego news that KNX doesn't cover. They only occasionally get any ratings at all there, Ratings are only for hucksters to brandish about, my S-meter makes no distinction on the signals I receive. Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based on what signal level is required to get ratings. I get them just fine, maybe you're thinking of the Anza Borrego desert communities Besides, with KNX being an information resource, it's not the type entertainment that drooling dolts who bother to do ratings surveys would be interested in. I see, then that is why good all-news WTOP in DC is #1 in the entire market. Don't know nor care, can't receive them here. KNX just has no appeal in SD, that's an uninformed and blatant lie and the signal in all except the extreme coastal areas is not at the level that listeners require to actually use a station. I'm about seven miles inland in an inner-city neighborhood, way east of I-5 and 'use' them whenever I want to, day or night. In any case, KNX or the local hip hop station are both sustained by ratings and the conversion of ratings into revenue, generally in very close proportion to the ratings delivery. There is no other metric in larger markets to judge radio by besides ratings, and each station exists based on generating ratings numbers. The only 'metric' of any significance to this newsgroup is the ability to be received, and KNX well qualifies in San Diego.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - BB - You have your "Metric" -but- d'Eduardo has His . . . Magic Arbitron Numbers 'Tricks' ~ RHF |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
On Jun 5, 2:25*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:17:21 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes. First, I don't care about artificial 'ratings' If you owned or worked at a radio station, they would be one of your primary concerns. and second I do understand and care about real phenomena. - If you think people tune in to the radio during - an earthquake, I doubt even that. d'Eduardo, Usually people will 'turn-on' the Radio or TV with 3 Minutes of an Earth-Quake to Find Out "How Bad It Was". That is provided they were not already listening to the Radio or TV and the Power did not go OFF. While the Earth Quake is Happening : The First Concern is Personal Safety. The the First Minute After is Checking on 'others'. Followed-by checking on the Radio or TV to see . . . "How Bad It Was". ~ RHF |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:24:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based on what signal level is required to get ratings. I get them just fine, maybe you're thinking of the Anza Borrego desert communities No, I am thinking of the fact, verified by dozens of ratings periods in many, many markets that shows that AMs get over 95% of their in home and at work listening (70% lof the total listening on average is in home or at work where ZIPs are tracable) is in areas where the signal is 10 mv/m or greater. Since only a tiny amount of shoreline has that intensity from KNX, there is pretty much nowhere that the signal is usable by the average, non-hobbyist, listener. Which is part of why they have essentially no in home or at work listening at all in SD County (the county is the metro for Arbitron). Besides, with KNX being an information resource, it's not the type entertainment that drooling dolts who bother to do ratings surveys would be interested in. I see, then that is why good all-news WTOP in DC is #1 in the entire market. Don't know nor care, can't receive them here. But is disproves your theory, as do WBBM, WINS, WCBS, KCBS, etc., which rate very high in each of their markets. KNX just has no appeal in SD, that's an uninformed and blatant lie If it had appeal, it would have listeners. Heck, it does not even have SD traffic unless said traffic affects LA drivers. And it has LA traffic every 10 minutes, which would be enormously un-interesting in SD. and the signal in all except the extreme coastal areas is not at the level that listeners require to actually use a station. I'm about seven miles inland in an inner-city neighborhood, way east of I-5 and 'use' them whenever I want to, day or night. The average listener, as proven, does not tolerate the signal levels you find acceptable. In any case, KNX or the local hip hop station are both sustained by ratings and the conversion of ratings into revenue, generally in very close proportion to the ratings delivery. There is no other metric in larger markets to judge radio by besides ratings, and each station exists based on generating ratings numbers. The only 'metric' of any significance to this newsgroup is the ability to be received, and KNX well qualifies in San Diego. But it is not a San Diego station, does not try to appeal to San Diego, and has a signal level there with 99.9% of listeners will not use. That's reality. |
Hello Wake-Up d'Eduardo - Radio Listeners Don't F'ing Care About YourStinking Ratings
On Jun 5, 2:24*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:14:16 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... None of the three program for or have any interest in listenership in San Diego, signal or not. They just pay Tom Reopelle to hang out here, is that it? There's not much San Diego news that KNX doesn't cover. They only occasionally get any ratings at all there, Ratings are only for hucksters to brandish about, my S-meter makes no distinction on the signals I receive. Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based on what signal level is required to get ratings. ratings Rating RATINGS Hello Wake-Up d'Eduardo - Radio Listeners Don't F'ing Care About Your Stinking Ratings. Real 24/7 Radio Listeners Care About : 1 - Does the Radio Station 'sound good enough' to Listen To 2a - Does the Radio Station Programming Interest Me. -or- 2b - Do I Enjoy Listening To Radio Station Content. d'oh - you provide broadcaster answers to radio listeners questions - d'oh again ~ RHF -ps- you are not 'connecting' with the listener. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:52:36 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Radio can only serve audiences that advertisers want to reach. How about the elusive 18 - 34 demographic? Bet they'd love to reach into all those iPods with their custom play lists and NO commercial messages ;-) Over 95% of them also listen to radio. |
Hello Wake-Up d'Eduardo - Radio Listeners Don't F'ing Care About Your Stinking Ratings
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin d'oh - you provide broadcaster answers to radio listeners questions - d'oh again ~ RHF -ps- you are not 'connecting' with the listener. Maybe he thinks he's gonna browbeat me into buying some airtime You couldn't afford it. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:24:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based on what signal level is required to get ratings. I get them just fine, maybe you're thinking of the Anza Borrego desert communities No, I am thinking of the fact, verified by dozens of ratings periods in many, many markets that shows that AMs get over 95% of their in home and at work listening (70% lof the total listening on average is in home or at work where ZIPs are tracable) is in areas where the signal is 10 mv/m or greater. Since only a tiny amount of shoreline has that intensity from KNX, there is pretty much nowhere that the signal is usable by the average, non-hobbyist, listener. Which is part of why they have essentially no in home or at work listening at all in SD County (the county is the metro for Arbitron). SNIP You are so full of crap. You don't know what you are talking about at all. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
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"Brenda Ann" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... The only 'metric' of any significance to this newsgroup is the ability to be received, and KNX well qualifies in San Diego. Don't bother to try arguing with Eduardo. He lives in the same ivory tower as all sales types do, which has little or no connection to real life. Hell, they don't even count the 'demo' with the most disposable income: Boomers. We buy a lot of goods and services, but the broadcast industry doesn't feel that we are worth their effort, and don't program to us, so we have to find out about new things via the internet or word of mouth. Oh well.. guess the advertising agencies and broadcasters don't want their cut of our disposable income. For our household alone, that amounts to perhaps $20,000 a year. Their loss. Unfortunately, it's also our loss, since we have to turn to mp3 players and CD's for programming we want to hear. Eduardo is full of it. Don't believe him for a minute. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... The only 'metric' of any significance to this newsgroup is the ability to be received, and KNX well qualifies in San Diego. Don't bother to try arguing with Eduardo. He lives in the same ivory tower as all sales types do, which has little or no connection to real life. Actually, I am a programmer who was for many years a chief engineer as well. SNIP You sure could not tell that from the crap you post. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Hello Wake-Up d'Eduardo - Radio Listeners Don't F'ing Care AboutYour Stinking Ratings
David Eduardo wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin d'oh - you provide broadcaster answers to radio listeners questions - d'oh again ~ RHF -ps- you are not 'connecting' with the listener. Maybe he thinks he's gonna browbeat me into buying some airtime You couldn't afford it. Maybe he could pretend, like you do, oh faux one. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:17:21 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes. First, I don't care about artificial 'ratings' If you owned or worked at a radio station, they would be one of your primary concerns. and second I do understand and care about real phenomena. If you think people tune in to the radio during an earthquake, I doubt even that. That is the most stupid thing you have posted yet. Think about my statement again. People "tune in" _after_ and earthquake, not during it. My point is that, unlike hurricanes or tornado situations or floods, there is no advance warning for a quake, and not enough time during a quake to tune in. Tune in occurs after the incident, not during it. In any case, most of the population does not use AM radio, mucho of it does not even know AM exists. The first source of info is TV for most of the two youngest generations of Americans. Not AM radio. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:24:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based on what signal level is required to get ratings. I get them just fine, maybe you're thinking of the Anza Borrego desert communities No, I am thinking of the fact, verified by dozens of ratings periods in many, many markets that shows that AMs get over 95% of their in home and at work listening (70% lof the total listening on average is in home or at work where ZIPs are tracable) is in areas where the signal is 10 mv/m or greater. Since only a tiny amount of shoreline has that intensity from KNX, there is pretty much nowhere that the signal is usable by the average, non-hobbyist, listener. Which is part of why they have essentially no in home or at work listening at all in SD County (the county is the metro for Arbitron). SNIP You are so full of crap. You don't know what you are talking about at all. Yeah, you are right and the measured behaviour of millions of persons over the period of a decade or more is wrong. San Diego is one of the markets where listening location vs. signal strength has been analyzed, going back to 1998 and covering 39 survey periods and nearly 100,000 listener diaries. |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... The only 'metric' of any significance to this newsgroup is the ability to be received, and KNX well qualifies in San Diego. Don't bother to try arguing with Eduardo. He lives in the same ivory tower as all sales types do, which has little or no connection to real life. Actually, I am a programmer who was for many years a chief engineer as well. SNIP You sure could not tell that from the crap you post. There is a Spanish saying about one not being able to cover the sky with the palm of one's hand. You can deny all you want... there are no facts other than your opinion to support your state of denial |
Hello Wake-Up d'Eduardo - Radio Listeners Don't F'ing Care About Your Stinking Ratings
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin d'oh - you provide broadcaster answers to radio listeners questions - d'oh again ~ RHF -ps- you are not 'connecting' with the listener. Maybe he thinks he's gonna browbeat me into buying some airtime You couldn't afford it. Maybe he could pretend, like you do, oh faux one. Someone should do a tabulation of the number of posts you make that are simply insults of other people, cultures, races, nationalities, etc. I'm guessing 95% of your posts have no content, are not a discussion of fact, and contain no information. |
d'Eduardo : So your 'Answer' is that +20% of All Adult Radio
On Jun 5, 5:06*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ... On Jun 5, 4:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message So your 'answer' is that 50% of All Adult Radio Listeners Don't Count : Even When There Is A Public Safety Emergency. Since they do not use AM radio (over 60% of Americans never use it) they would not, in an emergency, think of AM as a place to get information. Most would think of TV first, then, maybe if there was no power, grab a radio. Dang d'Eduardo that sure sounds hostile to anyone over the Age of 35 : Just because you can not make a Profit off of Selling their Ears. - Radio stations are a business, except for the limited - number of NPR stations and the religious stations - that are not commercial. If a station can not make - money, it does not survive. Since, in the larger markets, - they can not make any money serving 55+, radio can - not cater to that segment. Sure Sound Like An Extreme Case of Neglect and Failure To Serve The Public Interest of the +20% of the US Adult Pupolation over the Age of 55. =IF= These were Hispanic Radio Listeners and they simply made up 5% or more of any Local Community : You would be Demanding Equal Rights to Serve Their Needs as Non-English Radio Listeners. But You by Your OWn Admmission Use Your Numbers to Actively Discriminate Against The English Speaking Group of Radio Listeners Over the Age of 55 which make up more than 20% of the US Adult Population. Sure Sound Like Their Is Some Sort of Civil Rights Case in There for English Speaking Radio Listeners Over the Age of 55 Against You and Your Licensed Big Media Corpotations for Failing to Serve the Public Interest of +20% of Your Communities. d'eduardo - you are providing broadcaster answers to radio listeners questions - that's a big d'oh ~ RHF -ps- you are not 'connecting' with the readers here. - No, I am explaining *to listeners how radio works - and why things that seem odd or defy explanation - are actually true and justifiable. - *. =REWRITE= No, I am explaining to Radio listeners how The Business Of radio works and why things that seem odd To A Radio Listener or defy Reasonable explanation are actually true To A Broadcaster and justifiable For Profit. -translation- F*uck the Radio Listeners This Is A Business. { Where Broadcasters Own The Radio Lister's Ears. } . |
d'Eduardo : So your 'Answer' is that +20% of All Adult Radio Listeners Don't Count : And Corporate Media Actively Discriminates Against Them as a Common Business Practice
"RHF" wrote in message ... Sure Sound Like An Extreme Case of Neglect and Failure To Serve The Public Interest of the +20% of the US Adult Pupolation over the Age of 55. There is virtually no money available from advertisers for audiences over 55. Plenty of formats that appeal primarily under 55, like country, Urban AC, AC, classic rock, classic hits, etc., also appeal to many over 55's but stations with that audience get little benefitt from the older listeners. =IF= These were Hispanic Radio Listeners and they simply made up 5% or more of any Local Community : You would be Demanding Equal Rights to Serve Their Needs as Non-English Radio Listeners. There is no Hispanic agency money for anything over 49. This is about advertisers making investments and expecting a return on them. Sure Sound Like Their Is Some Sort of Civil Rights Case in There for English Speaking Radio Listeners Over the Age of 55 Against You and Your Licensed Big Media Corpotations for Failing to Serve the Public Interest of +20% of Your Communities. There is no law that stores have to stock items that have little or no demand. This is the same case. Radio can't serve teens for the same reason. -translation- F*uck the Radio Listeners This Is A Business. { Where Broadcasters Own The Radio Lister's Ears. } . It's much simpler... if a radio station programming does not attract listeners that advertisers want to reach, it either is sold to someone else or it changes programming. The government in the US does not intervene and has not for about 40 years, in licensee decisions about program formats. |
d'Eduardo -proclaims- Much of the Population Does Not Even Know AMRadio Exists
On Jun 6, 4:11*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message .... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:17:21 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin That explains why you have no clue as to local media usage and ratings, and probably why you don't understand earthquakes. First, I don't care about artificial 'ratings' If you owned or worked at a radio station, they would be one of your primary concerns. and second I do understand and care about real phenomena. If you think people tune in to the radio during an earthquake, I doubt even that. That is the most stupid thing you have posted yet. Think about my statement again. People "tune in" _after_ and earthquake, not during it. My point is that, unlike hurricanes or tornado situations or floods, there is no advance warning for a quake, and not enough time during a quake to tune in. Tune in occurs after the incident, not during it. - In any case, most of the population does not use - AM radio, mucho of it does not even know AM exists. d'Eduardo it sounds like you are making a Clear Case that AM/MW Radio as a Commercial Media is FAILING to Promote Itself "TO" Radio Listeners "TO" Create Awareness of AM.MW Radio as a 24/7 Source of News and Information to Meet the Radio Listeners Needs. [ What We Got Here Is A Failure To Communicate ] {The Medium is the Message and the Message is the Medium} -or- Are you really talking about the Illegal Spanish Speaking Radio Listeners who would not be listening to KNX and KFI in English anyway being Un-Aware of Emergency News and Information in English on Radio Stations Broadcasting in English -cause- It Ain't In Spanish. D'Oh ! ~ RHF - The first source of info is TV for most of the two - youngest generations of Americans. Not AM radio. After and Earth Quake and the Power Goes OUT 99% of the TV will Not Be Working -while- An AM/FM Radio using Batteries will Be There 24/7 Ready To Go "In Case of Emergencies" -again- A Case of AM/MW Radio Failing to Promote Itself as the "Go To Media In Case of Emergencies". -sounds like- There is a PSA in there somewhere. ~ RHF |
d'Eduardo -proclaims- Much of the Population Does Not Even Know AM Radio Exists
"RHF" wrote in message ... On Jun 6, 4:11 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: d'Eduardo it sounds like you are making a Clear Case that AM/MW Radio as a Commercial Media is FAILING to Promote Itself "TO" Radio Listeners "TO" Create Awareness of AM.MW Radio as a 24/7 Source of News and Information to Meet the Radio Listeners Needs. That's the job of news stations via advertising and promotion... each station is on their own in this regard. All music stations provide a diffferent type of service than information services do. And that is different from the issue that, whether on AM or FM, news stations or traditional news and talk stations have just about zero appeal to anyone under 35 or 40. AM, as a band, is only used by 40% of the population, almost all of that being over the age of 45. You can't promote AM to people who will not use it under any circumstance. -or- Are you really talking about the Illegal Spanish Speaking Radio Listeners who would not be listening to KNX and KFI in English anyway being Un-Aware of Emergency News and Information in English on Radio Stations Broadcasting in English -cause- It Ain't In Spanish. D'Oh ! ~ RHF Emergencides are notified by the EAS system, which every station must relay. Language makes no difference. And there is no way to quantify illegal aliens; even the Census Bureau can not perform an exact ennumeration. They do not self-declare, so all data is based on estimates, not counts. Since 80% of Hispanics ARE legal, this is not a major issue. - The first source of info is TV for most of the two - youngest generations of Americans. Not AM radio. After and Earth Quake and the Power Goes OUT 99% of the TV will Not Be Working -while- An AM/FM Radio using Batteries will Be There 24/7 Ready To Go "In Case of Emergencies" -again- A Case of AM/MW Radio Failing to Promote Itself as the "Go To Media In Case of Emergencies". -sounds like- There is a PSA in there somewhere. ~ RHF |
Hello Wake-Up d'Eduardo - Radio Listeners Don't F'ing Care AboutYour Stinking Ratings
On Jun 6, 4:17*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin d'oh - you provide broadcaster answers to radio listeners questions - d'oh again ~ RHF -ps- you are not 'connecting' with the listener. Maybe he thinks he's gonna browbeat me into buying some airtime You couldn't afford it. - - Maybe he could pretend, like you do, oh faux one. - Someone should do a tabulation of the number of - posts you make that are simply insults of other - people, cultures, races, nationalities, etc. - I'm guessing 95% of your posts have no content, - are not a discussion of fact, and contain no information. d'Eduardo - Some how you bring out . . . the 'beast' in people ;-} - jftfoi ~ RHF |
d'Eduardo : So your 'Answer' is that +20% of All Adult Radio
On Jun 6, 4:50*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ... Sure Sound Like An Extreme Case of Neglect and Failure To Serve The Public Interest of the +20% of the US Adult Pupolation over the Age of 55. There is virtually no money available from advertisers for audiences over 55. Plenty of formats that appeal primarily under 55, like country, Urban AC, AC, classic rock, classic hits, etc., also appeal to many over 55's but stations with that audience get little benefitt from the older listeners. =IF= These were Hispanic Radio Listeners and they simply made up 5% or more of any Local Community : You would be Demanding Equal Rights to Serve Their Needs as Non-English Radio Listeners. There is no Hispanic agency money for anything over 49. This is about advertisers making investments and expecting a return on them. Sure Sound Like Their Is Some Sort of Civil Rights Case in There for English Speaking Radio Listeners Over the Age of 55 Against You and Your Licensed Big Media Corpotations for Failing to Serve the Public Interest of +20% of Your Communities. There is no law that stores have to stock items that have little or no demand. This is the same case. Radio can't serve teens for the same reason.. -translation- F*uck the Radio Listeners This Is A Business. { Where Broadcasters Own The Radio Lister's Ears. } *. It's much simpler... if a radio station programming does not attract listeners that advertisers want to reach, it either is sold to someone else or it changes programming. So Corporate Media's Excuse to Radio Listeners over the Age of 55 and Age 49 for Hispanic Radio Listeners is : IT THE ADVERTISERS FAULT ! d'oh ~ RHF - The government in the US does not intervene and - has not for about 40 years, in licensee decisions - about program formats. We are NOT talking about Programming Formats We Are Talking About Discriminating Against the +20% of the Adult Poplutation Over the Age of 55. d'oh again ~ RHF |
Eduardo - fellow IBOC-shill diputes your claims about AM ratings.
David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:24:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Most of SD county does not receive a listenable signal from KNX based on what signal level is required to get ratings. I get them just fine, maybe you're thinking of the Anza Borrego desert communities No, I am thinking of the fact, verified by dozens of ratings periods in many, many markets that shows that AMs get over 95% of their in home and at work listening (70% lof the total listening on average is in home or at work where ZIPs are tracable) is in areas where the signal is 10 mv/m or greater. Since only a tiny amount of shoreline has that intensity from KNX, there is pretty much nowhere that the signal is usable by the average, non-hobbyist, listener. Which is part of why they have essentially no in home or at work listening at all in SD County (the county is the metro for Arbitron). SNIP You are so full of crap. You don't know what you are talking about at all. Yeah, you are right and the measured behaviour of millions of persons over the period of a decade or more is wrong. San Diego is one of the markets where listening location vs. signal strength has been analyzed, going back to 1998 and covering 39 survey periods and nearly 100,000 listener diaries. Pure pedant. |
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