Was at a field day thing this past weekend. I wasn't there when they
set everything up. There were 3 antennas in use. One very clearly
was a Yagi. One of the others very clearly was a "vertical" and the
other one was like a wire running the length of the parking lot and
was up about as high as the building - then it had a middle wire
running in to the shack with the radio. I was told that was a
horizontal antenna. Isn't there more specific names for vertical and
horizontal antennas than just vertical and horizontal??

Thanks.

In article
,
" wrote:

Was at a field day thing this past weekend. I wasn't there when they
set everything up. There were 3 antennas in use. One very clearly
was a Yagi. One of the others very clearly was a "vertical" and the
other one was like a wire running the length of the parking lot and
was up about as high as the building - then it had a middle wire
running in to the shack with the radio. I was told that was a
horizontal antenna. Isn't there more specific names for vertical and
horizontal antennas than just vertical and horizontal??


The terms vertical and horizontal refer to the polarization of the
electric field the antenna operates on not the type. A Yagi antenna can
be vertically or horizontally polarized for example.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

wrote:
Was at a field day thing this past weekend. I wasn't there when they
set everything up. There were 3 antennas in use. One very clearly
was a Yagi. One of the others very clearly was a "vertical" and the
other one was like a wire running the length of the parking lot and
was up about as high as the building - then it had a middle wire
running in to the shack with the radio. I was told that was a
horizontal antenna. Isn't there more specific names for vertical and
horizontal antennas than just vertical and horizontal??

Thanks.



The antennae you describe are simply vertical and horizontal
antennae. What, you want names? Like "Tesla Star Sweeper?" Or "Hiram
Percy Maxim Signal Blaster?"

They are called what they are. Simple, descriptive. Says what it is.

The specifics are going to be in the operating parameters.

Feed type, Length relative to frequency, Loaded, Unloaded, all these
bits of information can be more descriptive at the operating site for
proper application. But it's still either a horizontal, or a vertical.
Which determines the radiation angle, and to a lesser extent, noise
susceptibility.

Go with simple.

On Jun 30, 6:59*pm, "
wrote:
Was at a field day thing this past weekend. *I wasn't there when they
set everything up.

- *There were 3 antennas in use.

Basic Antenna Models
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna...antenna_models

The Basic Antenna
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com...nna-basics.htm

Overview of Antennas
http://www.ess.washington.edu/Space/...nnalecture.pdf

-*One very clearly was a Yagi.
http://www.jpo.go.jp/seido_e/rekishi...tsugu_yagi.htm
http://www.tpub.com/neets/book10/NTX4-32.GIF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagi_Antenna

- One of the others very clearly was a "vertical"

The Vertical over a Ground -aka- Marconi Antenna
http://www.midnightscience.com/_xtal/00000210.htm
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com...nna-basics.htm
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/radio/chap20.htm

- and the other one was like a wire running the
- length of the parking lot and was up about as
- high as the building - then it had a middle wire
- running in to the shack with the radio. *I was
- told that was a horizontal antenna.

Dipole Antenna, developed by Heinrich Rudolph Hertz
http://www.hfradio.ca/images/AntennaRadiate.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_Antenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz_antenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz_a...netic_research

Half-Wave Dipole Antenna
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com...nna-basics.htm
http://www.electronics-radio.com/art...ave-dipole.gif

-*Isn't there more specific names for vertical and
- horizontal antennas than just vertical and horizontal??
-
- Thanks.

Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Newbies :
Some Antenna Basics from Marconi to Hertz to Yagi . . .

shortwave radio listening (swl) where the word 'antenna'
means more than 'pole' in italian - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}

On Jun 30, 9:06*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

" wrote:
Was at a field day thing this past weekend. *I wasn't there when they
set everything up. *There were 3 antennas in use. *One very clearly
was a Yagi. *One of the others very clearly was a "vertical" and the
other one was like a wire running the length of the parking lot and
was up about as high as the building - then it had a middle wire
running in to the shack with the radio. *I was told that was a
horizontal antenna. *Isn't there more specific names for vertical and
horizontal antennas than just vertical and horizontal??

The terms vertical and horizontal refer to the polarization of the
electric field the antenna operates on not the type. A Yagi antenna can
be vertically or horizontally polarized for example.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Thanks - actually I was wondering if one of them might have been a
beverage antenna because it was really long - but then the feed point
was in the middle so I guess not. Thanks for the info - I appreciate
it.

On Jul 1, 10:27*am, RHF wrote:
On Jun 30, 6:59*pm, "
wrote:

Was at a field day thing this past weekend. *I wasn't there when they
set everything up.

- *There were 3 antennas in use.

Basic Antenna Modelshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_%28radio%29#Basic_antenna_models

The Basic Antennahttp://www.electronics-tutorials.com/antennas/antenna-basics.htm

Overview of Antennashttp://www.ess.washington.edu/Space/ESS205/antennalecture.pdf

-*One very clearly was a Yagi.http://www.jpo.go.jp/seido_e/rekishi...i/Yagi_Antenna

- One of the others very clearly was a "vertical"

The Vertical over a Ground -aka- Marconi Antennahttp://www.midnightscience..com/_xtal/00000210.htmhttp://www.electronics-tutorials.com/antennas/antenna-basics.htmhttp://www.hnsa.org/doc/radio/chap20.htm

- and the other one was like a wire running the
- length of the parking lot and was up about as
- high as the building - then it had a middle wire
- running in to the shack with the radio. *I was
- told that was a horizontal antenna.

Dipole Antenna, developed by Heinrich Rudolph Hertzhttp://www.hfradio.ca/images/AntennaRadiate.jpghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_Antennahttp://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz_antennahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz_antenna#Electromagnetic_research

Half-Wave Dipole Antennahttp://www.electronics-tutorials.com/antennas/antenna-basics.htmhttp://www.electronics-radio.com/articles/radio/antennas/dipole/half-...

-*Isn't there more specific names for vertical and
- horizontal antennas than just vertical and horizontal??
-
- Thanks.

Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Newbies :
Some Antenna Basics from Marconi to Hertz to Yagi . . .

shortwave radio listening (swl) where the word 'antenna'
means more than 'pole' in italian - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
*.
Are You Interested in building a better Shortwave Listening*
(SWL) Antenna ? {SWL Group} =http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
GoTo =http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
*.
RHF's Standard "Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas Group"
Reference Message Signature-Line =http://tinyurl.com/25zbrghttp://grou...1dac3b4a1798e0
*.
* Remember 55.5% of Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL)
is the Shortwave Antenna =http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
*.
RHF's Radio Shack in Twain Harte, California -USA-
SHACK INFO =http://tinyurl.com/2skmxm
Shortwave Radio / Receiver and SWL Antenna Info
*.
-=2SKMXM=-
-=25ZBRG=-
SWR3:SWL:INFO
*.

Thanks. Looking all these sites up over the weekend. Great list.!!

On Jul 1, 7:28*pm, "
wrote:
On Jun 30, 9:06*pm, Telamon





wrote:
In article
,

" wrote:
Was at a field day thing this past weekend. *I wasn't there when they
set everything up. *There were 3 antennas in use. *One very clearly
was a Yagi. *One of the others very clearly was a "vertical" and the
other one was like a wire running the length of the parking lot and
was up about as high as the building - then it had a middle wire
running in to the shack with the radio. *I was told that was a
horizontal antenna. *Isn't there more specific names for vertical and
horizontal antennas than just vertical and horizontal??

The terms vertical and horizontal refer to the polarization of the
electric field the antenna operates on not the type. A Yagi antenna can
be vertically or horizontally polarized for example.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Thanks - actually I was wondering if one of them might have been a
beverage antenna because it was really long - but then the feed point
was in the middle so I guess not. *Thanks for the info - I appreciate
it.- Hide quoted text -

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Beverage Antenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna

Beverage Antenna Construction
http://www.w8ji.com/beverages.htm

Beverage Antenna Tips -by- N1EU
http://n1eu.com/topband/BeverageTips.htm

The Beverage Antenna -by- Hardcore DX .Com
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...age/index.html

The Beverage Antenna Memorandum [FCC Report]
http://www.ae5d.com/bev/

Beverages On the Ground [BOG] -by- Shawn Axelrod
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/amandx/bevant.html

On Jul 2, 11:32*am, RHF wrote:
Beverage Antennahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna

Beverage Antenna Constructionhttp://www.w8ji.com/beverages.htm

Beverage Antenna Tips -by- N1EUhttp://n1eu.com/topband/BeverageTips.htm

The Beverage Antenna -by- Hardcore DX .Comhttp://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/wire/beverage/index.html

The Beverage Antenna Memorandum [FCC Report]http://www.ae5d.com/bev/

Beverages On the Ground [BOG] -by- Shawn Axelrodhttp://www.angelfire.com/mb/amandx/bevant.html
*.- Hide quoted text -

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I love beverage antenna's when you can get one out, but today's
overdeveloped areas make it hard to find a place. Much is written
about beverage antenna's, books and books in fact going into great
technicality. But here in South Africa we just throw out a bit of wire
and get great results.

My pal Gary in Cape Town just runs out 220m/700 ft of wire called a
BOG, beverage on the ground, just on his suburban road outside his
house, or at best he goes down to the local sportsfield and runs it
out there. He gets amazing results from this.

Of course the purists will tell you that the beverage has to be dead
straight, terminated into a resistor and supported about 1.2m/5ft off
the ground, but in years of playing with these antenna's we have got
great results with a not too perfect layout and no termination.

Give it a try and have fun - you will be well rewarded with some super
catches.

John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa
South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s
Icom IC-7700, Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods
ERGO software
Drake SW8. Sangean 803A
Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100
Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro Mk II, Datong AD-270
Kiwa MW Loop.
http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx

wrote:

On Jul 2, 11:32 am, RHF wrote:
Beverage Antennahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna

Beverage Antenna Constructionhttp://www.w8ji.com/beverages.htm

Beverage Antenna Tips -by- N1EUhttp://n1eu.com/topband/BeverageTips.htm

The Beverage Antenna -by- Hardcore DX .Comhttp://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/wire/beverage/index.html

The Beverage Antenna Memorandum [FCC Report]http://www.ae5d.com/bev/

Beverages On the Ground [BOG] -by- Shawn Axelrodhttp://www.angelfire.com/mb/amandx/bevant.html
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I love beverage antenna's when you can get one out, but today's
overdeveloped areas make it hard to find a place. Much is written
about beverage antenna's, books and books in fact going into great
technicality. But here in South Africa we just throw out a bit of wire
and get great results.

My pal Gary in Cape Town just runs out 220m/700 ft of wire called a
BOG, beverage on the ground, just on his suburban road outside his
house, or at best he goes down to the local sportsfield and runs it
out there. He gets amazing results from this.

Of course the purists will tell you that the beverage has to be dead
straight, terminated into a resistor and supported about 1.2m/5ft off
the ground, but in years of playing with these antenna's we have got
great results with a not too perfect layout and no termination.

The termination at the far end only solves the problem of the antenna being bi-directional, that is of course
receiving signal from both the direction the wire is running (and, off the back end where it is fed).

Did have a place accessible to me at one time where we had 6 permanent Beverage antennas set up, all terminated. A
very nice place to DX, but always a lot of repair work on the wires as they ran through a wooded area.



Give it a try and have fun - you will be well rewarded with some super
catches.

John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa
South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s
Icom IC-7700, Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods
ERGO software
Drake SW8. Sangean 803A
Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100
Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro Mk II, Datong AD-270
Kiwa MW Loop.
http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx

On Jul 3, 11:43*am, dxAce wrote:
The termination at the far end only solves the problem of the antenna being bi-directional, that is of course
receiving signal from both the direction the wire is running (and, off the back end where it is fed).

Did have a place accessible to me at one time where we had 6 permanent Beverage antennas set up, all terminated. A
very nice place to DX, but always a lot of repair work on the wires as they ran through a wooded area.

We don't terminate here for two reasons:
1. the ground here is too dry and you can't get a proper earth
2. We actually like the open end in both directions as one end you get
Aussie and the other end N. America. Like a double whammy.

So you can DX Aussie at sunset/evening and N. America mornings/
sunrise. Makes the DXpeditions quite worthwhile.

Wow! a six beverage site = sheer DX heaven!

Ya, that's a problem with long beverages - people and animals walking
all over them and pulling them down. Another problem here is the high
price of copper will see your wire stolen from right under your nose
while you are busy DXing these days in mwaAfrika.

JP