On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:44:17 -0500, Billy Burpelson
wrote:

Bob Dobbs wrote in news:491f1cab.6022859
@chupacabra:
The presidency was besmirched by the presence of Bush who held all
American principles in disregard, from the constitution we all live
under to the cleanliness of the air and sky we all live under.
Jim Alder wrote:

Re-mouthing the same hatemongering lies about Bush won't prove your point.
It just proves ours.
Huh? Lies? What lies?

As a matter of *public record*, Bush is/was the most
anti-environmentalist President ever. And we DID lose more civil rights
under the 'Patriot Act' than any time in our history. Bush *sneered* at
our Constitution. ("Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush
screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!")

§tarkiller© wrote:

You jerks keep saying that yet not one single time has anyone provided
any case where anyone has actually proven that their rights had been
violated. And you still haven't.

You've obviously not read or understood the implications of the 'Patriot
Act' nor been in tune with the brouhaha about wire tapping of all citizens.

Anti environmental? Oh yeah when he promoted alternative fuels like
ethanol or hydrogen you all bitched and moaned perpetually.

As a former oil man, he promoted alternative fuels only very late in his
second term and under the duress of $4 a gallon gas.

Most likely due to him not being a democrat.

Most likely due to him being the very best friend Big Business ever had.

Why have pollution levels decreased in the last 8 years if he is so
out to destroy the earth?

Because they haven't decreased. How could they? Bush fostered/promoted
legislation that let coal fired power plant operators off the hook for
additional pollution controls. They got a free pass.

If, and at this point seems unlikely, Obama acts as immaturely naive and
reckless as has Bush, he too will earn similar odium.
Liar. Just as Clinton was revered and protected - porking interns was his
'private life' and not to be spoke of,
Again, huh? His private life WAS 'spoke of'. They tried to impeach him
for it. What planet were you on when that happened? (Clue for you: they
could not have have tried impeachment -unless- people 'spoke of' his
private life).

Idiot. Jim is referring to the main stream press not the congress.
Try to pay better attention.

Further clue: Most people in this country (you obviously excepted), do
think that Clinton lying about his blow job was bad -- but *not nearly*
as bad as Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz lying us into a bogus war that cost tens
of thousands of lives and a trillion dollars. Compared to that, lying
about a garden variety blow job seems pretty harmless.

Yeah lying to congress and the grand jury is no big deal is it.

Didn't say it wasn't a big deal. I said above it -was- bad. (Please pay
attention). However, as a citizen, I would rather the President lie
about a blow job than lie us into a bogus war. Easy choice for most of
us. Too bad you don't get it.

Final clue for you:

People weren't voting -for- Obama, they were voting -against- Bush and
what he stood for.

I know you're not happy about the Republican party getting its biggest
spanking in history, but try and take it like a man. The Repubs earned
it, fair and square.

Voting against someone is not wise in any stretch of the term.

On this we agree. Unfortunately, it came down to being the only choice
we had (short of throwing away a write-in vote for Ron Paul).