On Nov 11, 2:40*pm, Mitchell Holman wrote:
"Bob Campbell" wrote :

"Doorman" wrote in message
...
Apparently you don't know how bad off the unions have made it for GM.
There are 780,000 people collecting retirement or their dependents. *A
business cannot survive like that.

Not only that, there are several thousand full time employees who do
nothing! * Their jobs were described as "for life" by the union. * So
even though these jobs have been eliminated, these people go to the
union hall or whatever the hell it is, and sit and watch TV for 8 hours
a day to get their full pay!

NO COMPANY can survive this kind of crap. * *The unions have killed the
US auto industry, not any President.

* *The German automakers are all unionized and still
turn out good cars and make a profit. Perhaps you are
wrong?

Bad management and not building cars that appeal as much as imports
has killed American automakers way more than unions.
That and having to pay health care when every other civilized
industrial country on earth takes care of this as a basic right, and
is paid by taxpayers rather than employers.

Unions are a problem, but making bad cars that people don't want is a
worse problem.
(Yes, I drive a Dodge. It's an OK car. Felt good buying American,
but honestly the quality isn't quite Honda, and the gas mileage
definitely isn't.
Today, I'm still glad I did, BUT... relying on the laudable "Buy
American" impulse is not enough with so many really high-quality cheap
cars coming in from South Korea and Japan.)

On Nov 12, 7:39*am, wrote:
On Nov 11, 2:40*pm, Mitchell Holman wrote:



"Bob Campbell" wrote :

"Doorman" wrote in message
...
Apparently you don't know how bad off the unions have made it for GM..
There are 780,000 people collecting retirement or their dependents. *A
business cannot survive like that.

Not only that, there are several thousand full time employees who do
nothing! * Their jobs were described as "for life" by the union. * So
even though these jobs have been eliminated, these people go to the
union hall or whatever the hell it is, and sit and watch TV for 8 hours
a day to get their full pay!

NO COMPANY can survive this kind of crap. * *The unions have killed the
US auto industry, not any President.

* *The German automakers are all unionized and still
turn out good cars and make a profit. Perhaps you are
wrong?

Bad management and not building cars that appeal as much as imports
has killed American automakers way more than unions.
That and having to pay health care when every other civilized
industrial country on earth takes care of this as a basic right, and
is paid by taxpayers rather than employers.

Unions are a problem, but making bad cars that people don't want is a
worse problem.
(Yes, *I drive a Dodge. *It's an OK car. *Felt good buying American,
but honestly the quality isn't quite Honda, and the gas mileage
definitely isn't.
Today, I'm still glad I did, BUT... relying on the laudable "Buy
American" impulse is not enough with so many really high-quality cheap
cars coming in from South Korea and Japan.)

Unions Ain't the Problem : Sustainable Employment
Benefits that are Consistent with the Rest of
American Workers are a Real Issue.

To Solve the Auto Companies Problems :

1st - Mandate the Process of Bankruptcy for the
Companies and Remove the Retirement Costs like
United Airlines and other Bankrupt Companies did
to their Retired Workers According-to-US-Law with
the US Government's Consent.

2nd - Place the Retired Auto Workers under Social
Security at the prevailing Social Security Retiree
Rates and NO More. -meaning- Treat Them Equal To
-but- No Better than 'other' Retired American Workers.

DO NOT CREATE A TWO TIERED RETIREMENT SYSTEM
ONE HIGH-PAYING FOR THE RETIRED AUTO WORKERS
THAT IS PAID FOR BY ALL US TAXPAYERS -and-
One that is Lower Paying for All the 'Other'
Retired American Workers Paid For By the
Workers Themselves Called Social Security.
Two Systems Separate and Totally Un-Equal.

3rd - Place the Retired Workers under Medicare
with the prevailing Medicare Healthy Insurance
Coverage and NO More. -meaning- Treat Them Equal
To -but- No Better than 'Other' Retired American
Workers.

DO NOT CREATE A TWO TIERED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
ONE HIGH-COVERAGE FOR THE RETIRED AUTO WORKERS
THAT IS PAID FOR BY ALL US TAXPAYERS -and-
One that is Lower Coverage for All the 'Other'
Retired American Workers Paid For By the
Workers Themselves Called Medicare.
Two Systems Separate and Totally Un-Equal.

When-and-If : National Health Care comes about
ALL WILL BE EQUAL : Including GM's Workers and
Retirees.

CRITICAL : Fund the National Health Care System
by a Nation Sales Tax : So that the Imported
Japanese/Korean Auto Pays the same Tax {Cost}
as the Domestic American Auto Pays. The Result
is Equal Taxation for Both Foreign and Domestic
Products and Services to Support National Health
Care and Reduce American Manufacturing Costs by
unburdening them from the Cost of America's
Social Welfare Programs.

* Eliminate the Federal Income Tax on Incomes
below $250K and replace it by a National
Day-to-Day Consumer Spending Sales Tax on All
Goods and Services both Foreign and Domestic.
** Foreign Goods and Services should and must
Pay Their Fair-Share in Supporting America's
Consumer Economy and Government.

* Eliminate the Social Security Payroll Tax
on all Incomes and replace it by a National
Day-to-Day Consumer Spending Sales Tax on All
Goods and Services both Foreign and Domestic.
** Foreign Goods and Services should and must
Pay Their Fair-Share in Supporting America's
Consumer Economy and Social Welfare Systems.

* Fund a National Health Care System by a
National Day-to-Day Consumer Spending Sales
Tax on All Goods and Services both Foreign
and Domestic.
** Foreign Goods and Services should and must
Pay Their Fair-Share in Supporting America's
Consumer Economy and National Health Care System.

America's Consumer Economy : America as an
'Open' Free-Trade Market-Place for the World.

Equal-for-One -is- Equal-For-All
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