David Hartung wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:56:11 -0600, David Hartung
wrote:

A question, if I may.

In you eyes, what is the job of an ordained minister?

Better to ask what they are NOT

First of all, using a tax exempt status to promote a
political action advocacy as an official of a church.

Why would this be wrong, in a moral sense?

Using my money against me?

David Hartung wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:11:12 -0600, David Hartung
wrote:

There are no constitutional proscriptions against private relifios
organizations engaging in partisan political activity.

If they are tax exempt under religious affiliation,
yep.

There are restrictions in the IRS code, not in the Constitution.

....no law respecting...religion...

Billy Burpelson wrote:
BDK wrote:

My bad presidents:

1. G.W. Bush nobody comes close, a total embarrassment.
2. Jimmy Carter, worthless.
3. Nixon, a crooked *******. 4. LBJ..Vietnam.

You forgot that #4 also qualifies for a "crooked *******"...big time!


There is a straight line from LBJ and Viet Nam to today. The straight
line is called "Halliburton". The common denominator is one Herbert
Herbert Bush, the 41st President. He is a Nazi. So was his father and
grandfather.

David Hartung wrote:
Soumay Nonay wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Soumay Nonay wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:10 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:02:05 -0800 (PST), RHF

wrote:

- - American Needs a Flat National Sales Tax Now and
- - Needs to Abolish the Income Tax Now to Restore Our
- - Freedoms for All Americans.

- Sorry, but That would mean Bill Gates would have a LOT
- more "freedom" than anyone else.

D'Oh! - Bill Gates Presently Has A Lot More FEEDOM
then anyone else : Plus the Money to Buy More. ~ RHF

But under a Flat tax Plus System :
* Average American "The 90%ers"
Pay As You Spend Via a National Sales Tax
which in-fact Taxes the Chinese Made Product
at an Equal Rate as the American Made Product.
* High Income Americans "The 10%ers" with
Incomes above $250K : Pay the same National
Sales Tax as Everyone Else : Plus They Pay a
Flat Tax on All Income above $250K with No
Deductions.
.
And the flat tax would be regressive as hell. The wealthy
obviously favor it for a reason, it would clearly reduce their
taxes greatly, while making it tougher on the middle and lower
classes.

Republicans favor it for those reasons.
Where does it say that taxers must be "progressive"?

Where does it say that the poorest Americans must bear the greatest
porportionate tax burden?

The don't, and wouldn't.

Perhaps the wealthiest people should simply not have to pay taxes
at all?

When you decide to actually think, get back to me.

When you decide to stop being so Republican-ignorant, bring your argument.

Dave wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:11:12 -0600, David Hartung
wrote:

There are no constitutional proscriptions against private relifios
organizations engaging in partisan political activity.

If they are tax exempt under religious affiliation,
yep.

There are restrictions in the IRS code, not in the Constitution.

...no law respecting...religion...

a la 1st Amendment

On Nov 29, 8:15*pm, "Soumay Nonay" wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:10 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:02:05 -0800 (PST), RHF

wrote:

- - American Needs a Flat National Sales Tax Now and
- - Needs to Abolish the Income Tax Now to Restore Our
- - Freedoms for All Americans.

- Sorry, but That would mean Bill Gates would have a LOT
- more "freedom" than anyone else.

D'Oh! - Bill Gates Presently Has A Lot More FEEDOM
then anyone else : Plus the Money to Buy More. ~ RHF

But under a Flat tax Plus System :
* Average American "The 90%ers"
Pay As You Spend Via a National Sales Tax
which in-fact Taxes the Chinese Made Product
at an Equal Rate as the American Made Product.
* High Income Americans "The 10%ers" with
Incomes above $250K : Pay the same National
Sales Tax as Everyone Else : Plus They Pay a
Flat Tax on All Income above $250K with No
Deductions.
*.

- And the flat tax would be regressive as hell.
- The wealthy obviously favor it for a reason,
- it would clearly reduce their taxes greatly,
- while making it tougher on the middle and lower classes.
-
- Republicans favor it for those reasons.

Soumay Nonay,

Yes a 'pure' Flax Sales Tax System is Phony-Baloney
and lets the Rich and Wealthy Escape Their Fair Share
of Taxes [.]

That's Why FLAT TAX PLUS Works For All : While a
Flat Tax Only -sucks- and Socks It To the Poor and
the Middle Class.

Under a Flat Tax PLUS System :
* Average American "The 90%ers"
Pay As You Spend Via a National Sales Tax
** YES 90% PAY NO TAXES and File No Tax Forms.

PLUS # 1 - Which in-fact Taxes the Chinese Made Product
at an Equal Rate as the American Made Product.

PLUS # 2 - High Income Americans "The 10%ers" with
Incomes above $250K
1st - They Pay the same National Sales Tax as Everyone
Else on Everything.
2nd - Plus They Pay a Flat Tax on All Income above $250K
with No Deductions. This Second Tier Gross Income Tax can
be at Any Multiple above Two (2X) of the National Sales Tax.

Example : A National Sales Tax of 17% results in at least
a 34% Income Flat Tax Tax for High Income Americans
with Incomes above $250K.

Lowering the National Taxes means reducing both down to :
National Sales Tax of 16% = 32% Income Flat Tax Tax
National Sales Tax of 13% = 26% Income Flat Tax Tax
National Sales Tax of 10% = 20% Income Flat Tax Tax

Dave wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:11:12 -0600, David Hartung
wrote:

There are no constitutional proscriptions against private relifios
organizations engaging in partisan political activity.

If they are tax exempt under religious affiliation,
yep.


If an organization is subsidized by government it cannot use its power
help shape that government. That is a conflict of interest.

if that is true, then NPR must stop doing political commentary. Such
would be a great loss.

David Hartung wrote:
Dave wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:11:12 -0600, David Hartung
wrote:

There are no constitutional proscriptions against private relifios
organizations engaging in partisan political activity.

If they are tax exempt under religious affiliation,
yep.


If an organization is subsidized by government it cannot use its power
help shape that government. That is a conflict of interest.

if that is true, then NPR must stop doing political commentary. Such
would be a great loss.

NPR is content neutral.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
David Hartung wrote:
Dave wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:11:12 -0600, David Hartung
wrote:

There are no constitutional proscriptions against private relifios
organizations engaging in partisan political activity.

If they are tax exempt under religious affiliation,
yep.


If an organization is subsidized by government it cannot use its power
help shape that government. That is a conflict of interest.

if that is true, then NPR must stop doing political commentary. Such
would be a great loss.

NPR is content neutral.

If you believe that, then I ought to call you Cleopatera.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

Dave wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Dave wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:11:12 -0600, David Hartung
wrote:

There are no constitutional proscriptions against private relifios
organizations engaging in partisan political activity.

If they are tax exempt under religious affiliation,
yep.


If an organization is subsidized by government it cannot use its
power help shape that government. That is a conflict of interest.

if that is true, then NPR must stop doing political commentary. Such
would be a great loss.

NPR is content neutral.

I beg to differ with you. I listen to NPR on a daily basis. They are one
of the most informative, yet left wing media sources on the radio.