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[email protected] November 21st 08 01:40 PM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
Mr. William J. Federer, a Missourian, is one of the most cheerful
people I have met. Despite this, Bill Federer’s writing always has a
serious message. His latest book is entitled Endangered Speeches. In
it, he traces the effort during the 20th Century to assure that
preachers were not involved in the political process. Federer points
out that prior to 1913 preachers never gave the Internal Revenue
Service or their 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status a thought because there
was no mechanism which applied to them. From 1913 until 1954, most
preachers simply ignored the IRS, as there was no reason for them to
be concerned.

In 1954, President Lyndon B. Johnson, running for re-election, heard
that a large group of Texas preachers would oppose him. So he hastily
had Congress enact a law which forbade churches from involvement in
politics. That was enough to silence preachers and LBJ was re-elected
comfortably.

One might think that LBJ would have been content to leave well enough
alone. However, when he found out that the American Enterprise
Institute (AEI) had assisted Senator Barry M. Goldwater’s candidacy he
scared William Broody, Sr. into political uselessness so that AEI
required years to recover.

Meanwhile, the IRS, which traditionally had been reluctant to
interfere with churches, this year cracked the whip so that most
pastors were afraid of losing their church’s loss of tax-exempt status
and thereby stayed out of the 2008 elections even though there were
moral issues on many state ballots.

Given the incoming presidential administration’s announced effort to
reinstate the so-called Fairness Doctrine, which some suggest should
be renamed the “Censorship Doctrine,” this attack upon churches is
frightening. Senator A. Mitchell (Mitch) McConnell, Jr. (R-KY) said he
immediately would file litigation contending that reinstatement of the
Fairness Doctrine constituted unconstitutional censorship and an
abridgement of our First Amendment rights. However, such a lawsuit
likely would take two years to work its way through the courts. There
is no question that our First Amendment is under assault. Read
Federer’s book to understand how American churches fit into the
political process. Then gear up for the fight on the re-christened
Censorship Doctrine and the Internet.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...0-A5C280BFFAA0

Baldin Lee Pramer November 21st 08 01:51 PM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
On Nov 21, 6:40*am, wrote:
Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.

Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.

Pramer

Chester November 21st 08 02:11 PM

A very important topic but only to those with a Microchip Stuckin their head
 

- AN if you DO have a microchip stuck in your head please go see your
doctor

( Microchip removal is now covered by most healthcare providers. )


Dave[_18_] November 21st 08 02:18 PM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
wrote:
Read
Federer’s book to understand how American churches fit into the
political process. Then gear up for the fight on the re-christened
Censorship Doctrine and the Internet.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...0-A5C280BFFAA0

Churches should be taxed into extinction. They are evil.

Mike[_2_] November 21st 08 02:54 PM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
On Nov 21, 8:51*am, Baldin Lee Pramer
wrote:
On Nov 21, 6:40*am, wrote:

Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.

Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.

Pramer



My, my, my...some interesting results when you check the history of
this newsgroup for posts from Lockheed! Very interesting, indeed....

Doorman November 21st 08 03:03 PM

Shutting Down Dissent
 

"Baldin Lee Pramer" wrote in message
...
On Nov 21, 6:40 am, wrote:
Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.

Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.

Pramer

********
So, instead of a hearty debate, you attempt to quiet the opposition. You
follow the beat of the government masters.

You're ready for the promotion you deserve. Uniforms and assignments will
be forthcoming in the new "Civilian National Security Force"...enjoy the
power for which you seek.



Brenda Ann November 21st 08 10:28 PM

Shutting Down Dissent
 

wrote:
Read
Federer’s book to understand how American churches fit into the
political process. Then gear up for the fight on the re-christened
Censorship Doctrine and the Internet.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...0-A5C280BFFAA0


If the writer can't even get a date right, it gives one pause to wonder how
much else he got wrong. LBJ was running ELECTION, not re-election, in 1964,
not 1954. He was elected president only once.




RHF November 22nd 08 05:02 PM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 
On Nov 21, 6:18*am, Dave wrote:
wrote:

* Read

Federer’s book to understand how American churches fit into the
political process. Then gear up for the fight on the re-christened
Censorship Doctrine and the Internet.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...AE1FC-73E7-46E....



- Churches should be taxed into extinction. *They are evil.

Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction

dave - you are a church unto yourself ~ RHF

[email protected] November 23rd 08 12:14 AM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 
On Nov 22, 12:18*pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
"Iva Biggin" wrote in message
...
When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.


Or the left wing church that Obama attended, before it became
politically embarrassing for him.


Wait.. I thought the Left Wing was completely godless!

But when churches get political, they should be taxed. Church out of
government, and government out of church.


All "Political" non-profits should be taxed. Including every single
Liberal Fascist and Neo-Communist Soros organizations.
They are all listed he http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/group.asp

fan of HCL, Jr November 23rd 08 12:14 AM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 
On Nov 22, 9:44*am, "Iva Biggin" wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 21, 6:18 am, Dave wrote:
wrote:


Read


Federer’s book to understand how American churches fit into the
political process. Then gear up for the fight on the re-christened
Censorship Doctrine and the Internet.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...AE1FC-73E7-46E...


- Churches should be taxed into extinction. They are evil.


Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction


dave - you are a church unto yourself ~ RHF
*.
*.


Dave,


Remember US President Elect Barack "Holy" Obama
is a Christian Crusader Politician : Who is Out
to "Change The World" for Jesus the Christ
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...cc78d7d0abc677
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d4b4fd581db64e
* .
The Barack 'Holy' Obama has renounced the False
Religion of Islam and been Baptized as a Christian
http://www.watchingamerica.com/images/JesusObama.jpg
* .
in the Name of Jesus-the-Christ {Born Again
in Jesus} and Barack 'Holy' Obama will bring
http://www.americanthinker.com/Obama's%20new%20messianic%20parade.JPG
* .
Christianity to the Muslim World via TV, Movies,
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0...bamaImage1.jpg
* .
Satellite, and AM/FM Shortwave Radio - Amen
http://tinyurl.com/4v3n9j
* .
-soon- All the World Shall Come and Worship
at the Foot of the Cross of Jesus due to the
Great and Wonderful Messenger Barack "Holy" Obama
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/Obammania.JPG
* .
* .
all praise to the messenger of jesus : america's
president elect barack 'holy' obama - amen ~ RHF
* .
As an American Who Loves His Country : I can now say
President Elect Barack Hussein Obama is "MY" future
US President {POTUS & CIC}.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss6lTP8BJ8
http://www.potus.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command...#United_States
* .
Dear Lord God {Allah} may Barack Hussein Obama take
his Oath-of-Office and Serve All the American People
with Honor and Distinction; and may the USA Prosper
under his Stewardship and Leadership - Amen ~ RHF
* .
NOTE : Every Baptized Christian -is- "Born Again in Jesus"
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-baptism.html
"I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son,
{Jesus the Christ} and the Holy Spirit." - Amen
http://www.religionfacts.com/christi...es/baptism.htm
* .
"Blessed Be The Barack of Obama and
All Praise and Honor Be His Name"©


'we are marching in peace and solidarity
as one with the obama'© ~ RHF
* .


When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The preachers can take off their uniform and set up a soapbox in any
public free-speech area and talk all they want, just as I can.
They can't do so in the position of a person in authority in / of
their church. The same applies to that poiceman giving you a speeding
ticket.or a teacher during class..

Baldin Lee Pramer November 23rd 08 12:53 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
On Nov 22, 12:51*am, BCBlazysusan wrote:
On Nov 21, 8:51*am, Baldin Lee Pramer
wrote:

On Nov 21, 6:40*am, wrote:


Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.


Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.


Pramer


Ah, you're one of the 50cent party huh. LOLOL this crap is already
starting. :-D


Actually, I was mistaken, and didn't finish the complaint. I noticed
that Oglivie and obamasuxdonkeydix had posted exactly the same thing,
one after another. When I searched their posting histories, I found
Oglivie was not a steaming racist, but donkeydix was. I looked up
their IPs, and got two different results. Unfortunately, I confused
Oglivie's with donkeydix' IPs. As I was filling out the complaint to
Human Resources at Lockheed, I went to paste in what I thought was
Oglivie's post, and found it was donkeydix' post. So I never finished
the complaint. Oglivie can hate Obama as much as he likes, and that is
fine. I suspect there are a lot of others who work for Lockheed who
hate Obama.

However, I see nothing wrong with getting a racist asshole like
obamasuxdonkeydix fired. If there is some ancient Usenet prohibition
against giving someone up based on their views, well so what? I don't
care. I'm an amoral troll, remember?

Pramer

[email protected] November 23rd 08 12:57 AM

more off topic garbage by rhf aka Retired Halfassed Fool
 
Shortwave radio enthusiasts have a right to enjoy a newsgroup
which was established for them and is supposed to be dedicated to
shortwave radio information.

And they have a right to do so without wading through all the off
topic garbage you post and it isn't incumbent upon them to filter
obnoxious morons like you out, also many don't have the capability to
do so.

Start behaving like a responsible adult and filter yourself by posting
your nonsense in the appropriate newsgroups.

Brenda Ann November 23rd 08 12:58 AM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 

"David Hartung" wrote in message
...

When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.


You mean such as the United Church of Christ promoting Barak Obama?

That slices two ways, and historically, it seems as if the black churches
have been more openly partisan than any white church.


Absolutely. NO church has any right to tax exempt status once they become
involved in the political arena. Right or wrong, the LDS church nearly lost
their tax exempt status under Carter because they wouldn't allow blacks into
the priesthood. I'm rather torn on that one, because I believe in equality,
but also believe the government has no place getting involved in the
business of the church (any church) just as the church has no business
getting involved in the government.



Brenda Ann November 23rd 08 01:00 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 

"Rick O'Brien" wrote in message
...

"Doorman" wrote in message
. ..

"Baldin Lee Pramer" wrote in message
...
On Nov 21, 6:40 am, wrote:
Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.

Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.

Pramer

********


People have internet access from all different places. work, home, wi-fi,
cofee shops, bookstores.

What is the problem with someone engaging in a newgroup discussion/debate
from work?

I think this was a pretty scummy thing to do.

argue the merits, if you can. sleazily attacking the guys employment is
pretty low.


I am in agreement that someone contacting the person's employer is pretty
low. That being said, what people should be doing at work is WORKING, not
wasting the bosses time posting on the internet.



Hall Monitor November 23rd 08 01:29 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Rick O'Brien" wrote in message
...

"Doorman" wrote in message
. ..

"Baldin Lee Pramer" wrote in message
...
On Nov 21, 6:40 am, wrote:
Mr.

Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.

Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.

Pramer

********


People have internet access from all different places. work, home,
wi-fi,
cofee shops, bookstores.

What is the problem with someone engaging in a newgroup discussion/debate
from work?

I think this was a pretty scummy thing to do.

argue the merits, if you can. sleazily attacking the guys employment is
pretty low.


I am in agreement that someone contacting the person's employer is pretty
low. That being said, what people should be doing at work is WORKING, not
wasting the bosses time posting on the internet.


For all you know this person was staying after work....or posting on his
lunch hour.

It's none of your business.



Baldin Lee Pramer November 23rd 08 01:31 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
On Nov 22, 2:16*pm, "Rick O'Brien" wrote:
"Doorman" wrote in message

. ..





"Baldin Lee Pramer" wrote in message
....
On Nov 21, 6:40 am, wrote:
Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.


Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.


Pramer


********


People have internet access from all different places. *work, home, wi-fi,
cofee shops, bookstores.

What is the problem with someone engaging in a newgroup discussion/debate
from work?

I think this was a pretty scummy thing to do.

argue the merits, if you can. *sleazily attacking the guys employment is
pretty low.


He's one kind of asshole, I am another. In any case, OSDD does not
debate.

Pramer

Chester November 23rd 08 01:39 AM

Just Shutting up with all the Off Topic Crap
 
All OT Crap

RHF November 23rd 08 01:43 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
On Nov 22, 5:29*pm, "Hall Monitor" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

...





"Rick O'Brien" wrote in message
...


"Doorman" wrote in message
t...


"Baldin Lee Pramer" wrote in message
....
On Nov 21, 6:40 am, wrote:
Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.


Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.


Pramer


********


People have internet access from all different places. *work, home,
wi-fi,
cofee shops, bookstores.


What is the problem with someone engaging in a newgroup discussion/debate
from work?


I think this was a pretty scummy thing to do.


argue the merits, if you can. *sleazily attacking the guys employment is
pretty low.


I am in agreement that someone contacting the person's employer is pretty
low. *That being said, what people should be doing at work is WORKING, not
wasting the bosses time posting on the internet.


- For all you know this person was staying
- after work....or posting on his lunch hour.
-
- It's none of your business.

Caution =IF= The Company/Boss has a 'Policy' of
NOT using the Company's Computer for Personal
Use : It Is The Boss's Business that the Employee
is Breaking the Company's Rules.

Usually -if- an outsider complains about what
an Employee is Doing on a Company's Computer
the Employee is told : DON'T DO DAT AGAIN [.]

RHF November 23rd 08 01:47 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 
On Nov 22, 5:31*pm, Baldin Lee Pramer
wrote:
On Nov 22, 2:16*pm, "Rick O'Brien" wrote:



"Doorman" wrote in message


...


"Baldin Lee Pramer" wrote in message
....
On Nov 21, 6:40 am, wrote:
Mr.


Posting from work? Wow. I would have thought someone working for
Lockheed would be smarter than to use such a stupid name. Maybe you're
the janitor.


Anyway, I sent this on to Human Resources. They should have a look at
you posting history.


Pramer


********


People have internet access from all different places. *work, home, wi-fi,
cofee shops, bookstores.


What is the problem with someone engaging in a newgroup discussion/debate
from work?


I think this was a pretty scummy thing to do.


argue the merits, if you can. *sleazily attacking the guys employment is
pretty low.


- He's one kind of asshole, I am another.
- In any case, OSDD does not debate.
- Pramer

BLP - Usually there is Nothing-to-Debate :
When You 'Think' You Are Right ;-) ~ RHF

Telamon November 23rd 08 01:57 AM

Just Shutting up with all the Off Topic Crap
 
In article
,
Chester wrote:

All OT Crap


Improve the signal to noise by making an on topic post and editing the
news group header. On topic here is not on topic for the other news
groups.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF November 23rd 08 02:16 AM

(OT) : Before the US Income Tax : Churches Were Really Free and ThereWas True Separation Between Church and State
 
On Nov 22, 4:14*pm, wrote:
On Nov 22, 12:18*pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:

Bob Campbell wrote:
"Iva Biggin" wrote in message
...
When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.


Or the left wing church that Obama attended, before it became
politically embarrassing for him.


Wait.. I thought the Left Wing was completely godless!


But when churches get political, they should be taxed. Church out of
government, and government out of church.


- All "Political" non-profits should be taxed.
-*Including every single Liberal Fascist and
- Neo-Communist Soros organizations.
- They are all listed he
- http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/group.asp

Why George Soros Is So Rich . . .

How Rich is He ?

Why Soros Is So Rich : He Should Be Taxed at 50%

Twice ;;-) ~ RHF

Soumay Nonay November 23rd 08 02:23 AM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 
wrote:
On Nov 22, 12:18 pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
"Iva Biggin" wrote in message
...
When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.


Or the left wing church that Obama attended, before it became
politically embarrassing for him.


Wait.. I thought the Left Wing was completely godless!

But when churches get political, they should be taxed. Church out of
government, and government out of church.


All "Political" non-profits should be taxed. Including every single
Liberal Fascist and Neo-Communist Soros organizations.
They are all listed he
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/group.asp

Liberal Fascist and Neo-Communist Soros organizations?

Fascism is characterized as: "a political philosophy, movement,
or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and
often race above the individual and that stands for a
centralized autocratic government headed by a
dictatorial leader, severe economic and social
regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

How does that get melded with liberalism, now?

Neo-Communist Soros organizations must be those
"new communists" who are funded by George Soros?

Sorry, but you certainly are amusing.



RHF November 23rd 08 02:26 AM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 
On Nov 22, 4:14*pm, "fan of HCL, Jr" wrote:
On Nov 22, 9:44*am, "Iva Biggin" wrote:



RHF wrote:
On Nov 21, 6:18 am, Dave wrote:
wrote:


Read


Federer’s book to understand how American churches fit into the
political process. Then gear up for the fight on the re-christened
Censorship Doctrine and the Internet.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...AE1FC-73E7-46E...


- Churches should be taxed into extinction. They are evil.


Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction


dave - you are a church unto yourself ~ RHF
*.
*.


Dave,


Remember US President Elect Barack "Holy" Obama
is a Christian Crusader Politician : Who is Out
to "Change The World" for Jesus the Christ
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...cc78d7d0abc677
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d4b4fd581db64e
* .
The Barack 'Holy' Obama has renounced the False
Religion of Islam and been Baptized as a Christian
http://www.watchingamerica.com/images/JesusObama.jpg
* .
in the Name of Jesus-the-Christ {Born Again
in Jesus} and Barack 'Holy' Obama will bring
http://www.americanthinker.com/Obama's%20new%20messianic%20parade.JPG
* .
Christianity to the Muslim World via TV, Movies,
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0...bamaImage1.jpg
* .
Satellite, and AM/FM Shortwave Radio - Amen
http://tinyurl.com/4v3n9j
* .
-soon- All the World Shall Come and Worship
at the Foot of the Cross of Jesus due to the
Great and Wonderful Messenger Barack "Holy" Obama
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/Obammania.JPG
* .
* .
all praise to the messenger of jesus : america's
president elect barack 'holy' obama - amen ~ RHF
* .
As an American Who Loves His Country : I can now say
President Elect Barack Hussein Obama is "MY" future
US President {POTUS & CIC}.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss6lTP8BJ8
http://www.potus.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command...#United_States
* .
Dear Lord God {Allah} may Barack Hussein Obama take
his Oath-of-Office and Serve All the American People
with Honor and Distinction; and may the USA Prosper
under his Stewardship and Leadership - Amen ~ RHF
* .
NOTE : Every Baptized Christian -is- "Born Again in Jesus"
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-baptism.html
"I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son,
{Jesus the Christ} and the Holy Spirit." - Amen
http://www.religionfacts.com/christi...es/baptism.htm
* .
"Blessed Be The Barack of Obama and
All Praise and Honor Be His Name"©


'we are marching in peace and solidarity
as one with the obama'© ~ RHF
* .


When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


The preachers can take off their uniform and set up a soapbox in any
public free-speech area and talk all they want, just as I can.
*They can't do so in the position of a person in authority in / of
their church. The same applies to that poiceman giving you a speeding
ticket.


- or a teacher during class..

Wow then 85% of the College Professors would
be Fired for Propagandizing from the Lectern.
-OR- ELIMINATE THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS OF ALL
EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TOO [.]

Fair-is-Fair : Treat the Speakers behind the
Puppet and the Lectern Equally. - NOT !

Oops this is now Anti-Religious Liberal Democrat
American and that will never happen. ~ RHF

RHF November 23rd 08 02:33 AM

Try Starting Your Day/Night here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First
 
On Nov 22, 5:57*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

*Chester wrote:
All OT Crap


Improve the signal to noise by making an on topic post and editing the
news group header. On topic here is not on topic for the other news
groups.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Hello Again 'Chester' - Try Starting Your Day/Night
here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First Posting One
"On-Topic" Post Yourself Each Day :
First Add to the Signal Level :
Before Increasing the Noise Level.

~ RHF

BDK[_5_] November 23rd 08 05:47 AM

(OT) : How Liberals Define : The Separation of Church and State in America Today.]
 
In article ,
says...
RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:56 pm, "Soumay Nonay" wrote:


Personally, I wonder how God feels about the Mormons now
and their major investments on promoting Prop. 8 in California.


- I may misunderstand what God is telling people to do nowadays.


As The LDS is not a Christian faith, it is likely that God sees the
Mormons the same as he sees all false faiths.



LOL, that's hilarious.
--
BDK

BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster

Brenda Ann November 23rd 08 07:18 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 

"Hall Monitor" wrote in message
...

I am in agreement that someone contacting the person's employer is pretty
low. That being said, what people should be doing at work is WORKING,
not wasting the bosses time posting on the internet.


For all you know this person was staying after work....or posting on his
lunch hour.

It's none of your business.


Nope, none of MY business, but it IS his/her employer's business. Whether
after, during or before work hours, they are using the employer's resources,
and everything they post or do on the internet can reflect upon that
employer. Almost no employer likes having their employees use employer
resources for their own purposes. A great many have rules against it that
indicate the employee may be fired for so doing.




Hall Monitor2 November 23rd 08 08:14 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 

I am in agreement that someone contacting the person's employer is
pretty
low. That being said, what people should be doing at work is WORKING,
not wasting the bosses time posting on the internet.


For all you know this person was staying after work....or posting on his
lunch hour.

It's none of your business.


Nope, none of MY business, but it IS his/her employer's business. Whether
after, during or before work hours, they are using the employer's
resources, and everything they post or do on the internet can reflect upon
that employer.


And if his/her employer wants to find out...they can. (And some do go over
internet logs.) But's the employers decision..and their right to do so.

But for someone to get involved between an employer and his employee simply
because they got their feeling hurt or couldn't stand the heat in a
newsgroup.....is dispicable.





Brenda Ann November 23rd 08 08:41 AM

Shutting Down Dissent
 

"Hall Monitor2" wrote in message
...

I am in agreement that someone contacting the person's employer is
pretty
low. That being said, what people should be doing at work is WORKING,
not wasting the bosses time posting on the internet.

For all you know this person was staying after work....or posting on his
lunch hour.

It's none of your business.


Nope, none of MY business, but it IS his/her employer's business.
Whether after, during or before work hours, they are using the employer's
resources, and everything they post or do on the internet can reflect
upon that employer.


And if his/her employer wants to find out...they can. (And some do go over
internet logs.) But's the employers decision..and their right to do so.

But for someone to get involved between an employer and his employee
simply because they got their feeling hurt or couldn't stand the heat in a
newsgroup.....is dispicable.


If you'll look back at my original response, you'll see that I agreed to
that point.




Mike[_2_] November 23rd 08 02:10 PM

Try Starting Your Day/Night here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First
 
On Nov 22, 9:33�pm, RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 5:57�pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article
,


�Chester wrote:
All OT Crap


Improve the signal to noise by making an on topic post and editing the
news group header. On topic here is not on topic for the other news
groups.


--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Hello Again 'Chester' - Try Starting Your Day/Night
here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First Posting One
"On-Topic" Post Yourself Each Day :
First Add to the Signal Level :
Before Increasing the Noise Level.

~ RHF
�.



Mike[_2_] November 23rd 08 02:14 PM

Try Starting Your Day/Night here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First
 
On Nov 22, 9:33�pm, RHF wrote:


Hello Again 'Chester' - Try Starting Your Day/Night
here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First Posting One
"On-Topic" Post Yourself Each Day :
First Add to the Signal Level :
Before Increasing the Noise Level.

~ RHF
�.


A policy some of us were begging you to follow on the run up to the
election. You are the most hypocritical chap I think I've ever met,
Roy! But now that you've lost, you want to improve the signal-to-noise
ratio? Incredible, absolutely incredible...

Mike
Louisville, KY

Dave[_18_] November 23rd 08 03:22 PM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 
David Hartung wrote:

When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.


You mean such as the United Church of Christ promoting Barak Obama?

That slices two ways, and historically, it seems as if the black
churches have been more openly partisan than any white church.


Tax 'em all! Tax them double for using fear to sell shiny plastic
Jesus statues.

Dave[_18_] November 23rd 08 03:27 PM

(OT) : How Liberals Define : The Separation of Church and Statein America Today.]
 
David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:56 pm, "Soumay Nonay" wrote:


Personally, I wonder how God feels about the Mormons now
and their major investments on promoting Prop. 8 in California.


- I may misunderstand what God is telling people to do nowadays.


As The LDS is not a Christian faith, it is likely that God sees the
Mormons the same as he sees all false faiths.


If there was such a person, he'd probably take all the adoration he
could get. As it is, he supposedly runs 3 big ones: Jewishness;
Christ Cult; Mohammad Freaks.

Soumay Nonay November 23rd 08 06:58 PM

(OT) : How Liberals Define : The Separation of Church and State in America Today.]
 
David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:56 pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:


Personally, I wonder how God feels about the Mormons now
and their major investments on promoting Prop. 8 in California.

- I may misunderstand what God is telling people to do nowadays.


As The LDS is not a Christian faith, it is likely that God sees the
Mormons the same as he sees all false faiths.


LDS is not a Christian faith? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints is not Christian? Try this link: http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
and view the video, which asserts exactly the opposite. It's on the official
LDS web site.

And how did you come to know how God Himself sees the Mormons as
a "false faith"?



Bob Campbell November 23rd 08 07:19 PM

(OT) : How Liberals Define : The Separation of Church and State in America Today.]
 
"Soumay Nonay" wrote in message
...
David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:56 pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:

Personally, I wonder how God feels about the Mormons now
and their major investments on promoting Prop. 8 in California.

- I may misunderstand what God is telling people to do nowadays.

As The LDS is not a Christian faith, it is likely that God sees the
Mormons the same as he sees all false faiths.


LDS is not a Christian faith? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints is not Christian? Try this link:
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
and view the video, which asserts exactly the opposite. It's on the
official
LDS web site.

And how did you come to know how God Himself sees the Mormons as
a "false faith"?


Wow. Nothing like a "true believer" saying that "all religions except
mine" are false.

Welcome to Religious Kookery. Al Qaida would love you.


RHF November 23rd 08 07:52 PM

(OT) : Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction
 
On Nov 22, 8:19*pm, Wexford wrote:
On Nov 22, 9:26*pm, RHF wrote:



On Nov 22, 4:14*pm, "fan of HCL, Jr" wrote:


On Nov 22, 9:44*am, "Iva Biggin" wrote:


RHF wrote:
On Nov 21, 6:18 am, Dave wrote:
wrote:


Read


Federer’s book to understand how American churches fit into the
political process. Then gear up for the fight on the re-christened
Censorship Doctrine and the Internet.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...AE1FC-73E7-46E...


- Churches should be taxed into extinction. They are evil.


Dave -proclaims- Churches Should Be Taxed Into Extinction


dave - you are a church unto yourself ~ RHF
*.
*.


Dave,


Remember US President Elect Barack "Holy" Obama
is a Christian Crusader Politician : Who is Out
to "Change The World" for Jesus the Christ
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...cc78d7d0abc677
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d4b4fd581db64e
* .
The Barack 'Holy' Obama has renounced the False
Religion of Islam and been Baptized as a Christian
http://www.watchingamerica.com/images/JesusObama.jpg
* .
in the Name of Jesus-the-Christ {Born Again
in Jesus} and Barack 'Holy' Obama will bring
http://www.americanthinker.com/Obama's%20new%20messianic%20parade.JPG
* .
Christianity to the Muslim World via TV, Movies,
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0...bamaImage1.jpg
* .
Satellite, and AM/FM Shortwave Radio - Amen
http://tinyurl.com/4v3n9j
* .
-soon- All the World Shall Come and Worship
at the Foot of the Cross of Jesus due to the
Great and Wonderful Messenger Barack "Holy" Obama
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/Obammania.JPG
* .
* .
all praise to the messenger of jesus : america's
president elect barack 'holy' obama - amen ~ RHF
* .
As an American Who Loves His Country : I can now say
President Elect Barack Hussein Obama is "MY" future
US President {POTUS & CIC}.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss6lTP8BJ8
http://www.potus.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command...#United_States
* .
Dear Lord God {Allah} may Barack Hussein Obama take
his Oath-of-Office and Serve All the American People
with Honor and Distinction; and may the USA Prosper
under his Stewardship and Leadership - Amen ~ RHF
* .
NOTE : Every Baptized Christian -is- "Born Again in Jesus"
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-baptism.html
"I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son,
{Jesus the Christ} and the Holy Spirit." - Amen
http://www.religionfacts.com/christi...es/baptism.htm
* .
"Blessed Be The Barack of Obama and
All Praise and Honor Be His Name"©


'we are marching in peace and solidarity
as one with the obama'© ~ RHF
* .


When churches become political propaganda machines (a la Baptist
Church promoting the GOP) it is time for them to pay taxes.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


The preachers can take off their uniform and set up a soapbox in any
public free-speech area and talk all they want, just as I can.
*They can't do so in the position of a person in authority in / of
their church. The same applies to that poiceman giving you a speeding
ticket.


- or a teacher during class..


- - Wow then 85% of the College Professors would
- - be Fired for Propagandizing from the Lectern.
- - -OR- ELIMINATE THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS OF ALL
- - EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TOO [.]

- Never been to college, have you?

Wexford,

Never Sat In My Classroom Chairs - Have You
[Never Walked In My Shoes - Have You !]

dang that was so easy . . .
a rocket scientist could do it ~ RHF
-ps- not wanting to offend cavemen

RHF November 23rd 08 08:41 PM

The Message is Clear : Try Starting Your Day/Night here on
 
On Nov 23, 6:14*am, Mike wrote:

- - On Nov 22, 9:33 pm, RHF wrote:
- - Hello Again 'Chester' - Try Starting Your Day/Night
- - here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First Posting One
- - "On-Topic" Post Yourself Each Day :
- - First Add to the Signal Level :
- - Before Increasing the Noise Level.
- - ~ RHF
- - .

- A policy some of us were begging you to follow
- on the run up to the election.

Telling Me To STFU while your were eating up
every left-wing liberal democrat post without
a word of objection.

- You are the most hypocritical chap I think
- I've ever met, Roy!

MWB - Is Your Mirror Broken ?

- But now that you've lost, you want to improve
- the signal-to-noise ratio? *

MWB =YES= The Message is Clear : Try Starting Your Day/Night here on
Rec.Radio.Shortwave by First Posting One "On-Topic" Post Yourself Each
Day : First Add to the Signal Level : Before Increasing the Noise
Level

- Incredible, absolutely incredible...

MWB -tyvm- Yes I Am ! ;-}

- Mike
- Louisville, KY

MWB - BE Well + Be Happy + Enjoy Your Radios - Amen ~ RHF

David Hartung November 23rd 08 10:44 PM

(OT) : How Liberals Define : The Separation of Church and Statein America Today.]
 
Soumay Nonay wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:56 pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:
Personally, I wonder how God feels about the Mormons now
and their major investments on promoting Prop. 8 in California.
- I may misunderstand what God is telling people to do nowadays.
As The LDS is not a Christian faith, it is likely that God sees the
Mormons the same as he sees all false faiths.


LDS is not a Christian faith? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints is not Christian? Try this link: http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
and view the video, which asserts exactly the opposite. It's on the official
LDS web site.

And how did you come to know how God Himself sees the Mormons as
a "false faith"?


Mormon teaching runs counter to Scripture.

In other words, it matters little what they claim, they take stands
which place them outside the umbrella of Christianity. This is a
doctrinal issue, and one which you probably know little about.

David Hartung November 23rd 08 10:44 PM

(OT) : How Liberals Define : The Separation of Church and Statein America Today.]
 
Bob Campbell wrote:
"Soumay Nonay" wrote in message
...
David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:56 pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:

Personally, I wonder how God feels about the Mormons now
and their major investments on promoting Prop. 8 in California.

- I may misunderstand what God is telling people to do nowadays.

As The LDS is not a Christian faith, it is likely that God sees the
Mormons the same as he sees all false faiths.


LDS is not a Christian faith? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints is not Christian? Try this link:
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
and view the video, which asserts exactly the opposite. It's on the
official
LDS web site.

And how did you come to know how God Himself sees the Mormons as
a "false faith"?


Wow. Nothing like a "true believer" saying that "all religions except
mine" are false.

Welcome to Religious Kookery. Al Qaida would love you.


May I assume that you are not a confessing Christian?

RHF November 23rd 08 10:52 PM

(OT) : Deity-R-Us© - Let Us Be United In Our Faith
 
On Nov 23, 2:44*pm, David Hartung wrote:
Soumay Nonay wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:56 pm, "Soumay Nonay"
wrote:
Personally, I wonder how God feels about the Mormons now
and their major investments on promoting Prop. 8 in California.
- I may misunderstand what God is telling people to do nowadays.
As The LDS is not a Christian faith, it is likely that God sees the
Mormons the same as he sees all false faiths.


LDS is not a Christian faith? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints is not Christian? Try this link:http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
and view the video, which asserts exactly the opposite. It's on the official
LDS web site.


And how did you come to know how God Himself sees the Mormons as
a "false faith"?


- Mormon teaching runs counter to Scripture.

Or just may be . . .
Scripture Runs Counter to Mormon Teaching

god only knows ~ RHF

All People-of-Faith should be United-in-Faith Against
the Hate and Attacks of the Anti-Faithers "Sectarians"
- - - Deity-R-Us© ~ RHF


In other words, it matters little what they claim, they take stands
which place them outside the umbrella of Christianity. This is a
doctrinal issue, and one which you probably know little about.



[email protected] November 24th 08 01:43 AM

more off topic garbage by rhf aka Retired Halfassed Fool
 
Shortwave radio enthusiasts have a right to enjoy a newsgroup
which was established for them and is supposed to be dedicated to
shortwave radio information.

And they have a right to do so without wading through all the off
topic garbage you post and it isn't incumbent upon them to filter
obnoxious morons like you out, also many don't have the capability to
do so.

Start behaving like a responsible adult and filter yourself by posting
your nonsense in the appropriate newsgroups.



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